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Posted: 7 years ago

#11

I look at it more as a parent(s) rather than a mother.

Parents do their best to to bring up the kids as per their own values and ideals.

Pandit couple. They were able to make Anami stay put and fight for justice.

Dheeru and wife. Adhiraj will not run away. He will fight for justice.

Sudha. Her ideals and values are black. But she achieved her objectives. Now we have to see whether Narottam will follow it through.

Baldev-Satrupa, They were unable to make Vatsalya stay put though he became a well rounded human being. He ran away from his responsibilities for whatever reasons.
Pujan and Kamini - They still have hopes on crowning Avdhoot though he is good for nothing
Gayatri and Vikram - They punished Baldev and removed him for heirship as he did not turn out to be what they expected

In my view 3/6 examples above are grey whereas one is out and out black. Was it right on the parents' part to force Vatsalya to do what he did not want ? Was it right on his part to run away when there was so much expectation from him ? Is what Pujan and Kamini doing right ? Thrusting the parents' desires on the kid ? Was it right for Vikram (and Gayatri) to punish Baldev so drastically ?

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chicksoup

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Posted: 7 years ago

#12

Lovely post, Benna! 👏

Like G mentioned, I would add Gayatri too. To me, she is the typical mother who can only stand and watch her son serving out his punishment. Also, somewhere, she blames Satrupa for not being the ideal, forgiving wife.

Satrupa as a wife and a mother - I feel she never got over that wronged feel, since she was married off early in her life to a man who had already fathered a child. She is still a little bit of a rebel in this way, the very same quality that Anami has acquired. I think she is the very same mother to Vatsalya, that she is to Anami. vatsalya was an easy going child, and often a friend, and at times showed more maturity than either of the parents. Anami also exhibits a different kind of maturity, but it is for the rest of the world. When it comes to Satrupa, she simply considers her a Hitler. Satrupa more often does act like a dictator too, and that is not limited to her daughter. She has a haughtiness and knows her daughter will carry her legacy - she doesn't stop to think what the child herself might want. And true to her style, she uses Anami's emotions to get things done as she wants. This is not unusual in a parent either, in reality most parents believe they know better. However, those parents, even if they don't have a claim to the child's future, at least would have toiled for the very same child. This aspect is of course lacking in Satrupa's claim.

This brings me back to Gayatri. What kind of a mother had she been? Had she been a control freak, would Baldev have been a better person today? What can she do now, but feel sad about her son's rights rightfully taken away from him? Still, she stands by this child who seems to have failed her expectations.

Sudha - I am not even going there. 🤢

Madhu - Anami once explained why she called her pagli panditayin, and not maa. She said maa was too small a word to describe such a wonderful woman. 👏 Aise hi, Murari Pathak brought her a child from nowhere, and she embraced it as her own. She didn't care whether it was a boy or a girl, which caste it belonged to. This child needed a mother, and she became that in the truest sense. She didn't have the means or exposure any of the other ladies had. She didn't know the scriptures like her husband. But love was all that was required, and she had that in abundance for this abandoned child. And she loved the child to the point of feeling jealous of her birth mother, fretting if her child would be grabbed from her. Seriously, maa bahut chhotta shabd hai, inkeliye! 👏

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JJKKL

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Posted: 7 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: sanfan
Benna...🤗
Is this your first post on this forum? I am tuning in after a while...

Will respond after reading the post!!

Finally you came. And instead of replying on one of my "great posts" you are commenting here ? Let me tell you - Not cool...😆

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sanfan

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Posted: 7 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: JJKKL

Finally you came. And instead of replying on one of my "great posts" you are commenting here ? Let me tell you - Not cool...😆

J...I missed your "great posts" 😆😆 Sorry!! Maafi de do!!

Actually my RKC viewing is also to blame for that...I have not watched all the episodes.😛

Been away from the forum after EDKV ditched us all!!

RKC is calling out to me but just not yet!! 😊

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chicksoup

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Posted: 7 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: Santiago24
Dreamer, while I concur with you about Pagli Panditayan, I will reserve my opinion about Sudha for now and do not completely agree about Satrupa.
We really dont know what her story is to draw this conclusion that Narottam is an outcome or rather a tool for vengeance. Yes, right now, he seems the pawn in the game but the beginning is something which lacks clarity. Was Sudha thrown out after she had a kid or did Baldev dupe her with false promises only to leave with a kid or did Sudha use the kid angle to trap Baldev only for it to backfire or was LM her motive all along and did she seduce Baldev.. so on and so forth.
All these possibilities lend different renditions of Narottam's existence. Sudha could have become matlabi later on and not necessarily at the onset. That way, personally, I do not see much of a difference between Satrupa and Sudha. Both are self centred and true to Anami's repartee to Satrupa today, she thinks of the impact any action has on herself/ her motives.. even if its through her kid.
She has yet to think of those times she lost with Anami, have not made an iota of effort to understand what maketh Anami.. her hobbies, her passion, her past life in Benaras etc etc.. All her activities for Anami revolve around her getting groomed for LM and RS - to groom her to take the mantle of ownership.. Anami is not a person to Satrupa... atleast unlike Vatsalya..

Thinking of Baldev here, the Casanova did interestingly end up with relationships with two strong women.. must say something of his choice!

True. Baldev chose two very strong women! 😉😆

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chicksoup

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Posted: 7 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: sanfan

J...I missed your "great posts" 😆😆 Sorry!! Maafi de do!!

Actually my RKC viewing is also to blame for that...I have not watched all the episodes.😛

Been away from the forum after EDKV ditched us all!!

RKC is calling out to me but just not yet!! 😊

I was thinking of you last week, wondering whether you're watching this show. 👍🏼

Still hurting for edkv, but RKC is just great. The dialogues.. The poetry...You will love it!

Edited by chicksoup - 7 years ago

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sanfan

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Posted: 7 years ago

#17

Hey Benna...just read your post!! Lovely one. You have set me thinking!!😆 Your post has provided me with the impetus to ramble 😉

The motivations of our actions can sometimes lead us to difficult questions.

Why we do what we do?

Pandithaein was faced with a fait-accompli...but she still had a choice!! to nurture that offering with love or hate. She chose to nourish it with love.

Yet today she stands in that corridor of uncertainty where blood has staked the claim. It is a claim that can't easily be relegated. After all, blood did have some role to play when Anami chose to stay back for Vatsalya.

However, can we say it was blood alone that made Anami respond to that call? Did her years of nurturing play some role in the choice she exercised? What were her motivations that made her stay behind?

When Murari Pathak told her to exercise her free will...he was essentially telling her that his decision to nurture her had no pre-conditions...she was not bounden to them because they looked after her even if she can always count on them as her own. Anami has grown in this circle of unconditional love for 17 years. Love can bind even if it is set free and can fly free even when bound in chains. Perhaps it was easier for Anami to stay on at LM to explore what is binding her to this place without having to prove what the love of her foster parents meant to her. While the destiny connection provided her the impetus to explore, the worry of not having to safeguard her precious relationships set her free. They were safe after all!! Her cocoon at Benares!!

Yet, can blood set Anami free is the real question?

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646714

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Posted: 7 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: gaushiv13
i feel cvs are going to justify satrupa action in long term
because when dadaji didnt announced waris truth we were keeping even dadaji on pedestal if he can make satrupa a business woman his bahu then why not anami as she is his own blood and grand daughter
but now it came in front that he cant consider girl child as heir
baldev is not ready to accept anami in fear of satrupa saat roop
but dadaji is now confirm that anami is really his granddaudghter
and now even baldev is softening from what i can see from yesterday the look he is giving to anami action
i feel dadaji is more dark than it is shown
it could be revealed later that dadaji was somehow even have connection with his own daughter the way gayatari crave for granddaughter or her love for anami shows it all
maybe it is possible that he was having a daughter and he killed her and thats wy dadi is craving for daughter although dadi not know this truth but satrupa came to know and thats why she took descision to give away her daughter instead of first born
because i feel from starting cvs are going to justify satrupa action thats why they have not let satrupa tell anything on the questiion why she left anami
she has not said anything with her mouth so i feel there is something deep which will be revealed later
although i dont want but i feel it will come
as its clear satrupa is not a sexist she loves anami not more than vatsalya but not less than him even
this is the reason she is not openly showing her love to anami
she has just become a coconut she is tough from outside or made herself tough but is very softy or wounded inside which noone knows or she dont want anyone to see
i know its very easy to say that do this or do that but when time really come and test on you you will come to know its not that easy what we are thinking
anami will decode satrupa although it will take time but she will and will even heal her mother
i dont know but i feel for satrupa alot because i love her as she has not don any bechari awla nari act and crying but she has made herself strong which in real life we even do but never harm others like shudha or narottam she has also been wronged to marry a man who has an illegtimate son inspite of this she doesnt treat narottam like a crap or is doing badla badla with dada

There's no need to justify Satrupa as a person to the audience. Her silence is her way of telling us and Anami she's not here to justify her actions. As a mother nothing she does or says can justify her actions towards Anami, but what we can expect: will the mother daughter be able to move past the hurt and bitterness. Humans err by will or unknowningly. We all deserve a second chance. Life gives us opportunities to make new beginnings. Will Satrupa bother to have a second chance with Anami?

How can her action of giving away her child be justified, while it's right to get miffed at Dadaji's attitude and his stubbornness to accept Anami. Satrupa chose to part with her child, dadiji scene with a pregnant Satrupa indicates the gender wasn't a issue in the family. She could have chosen to walk off or fight for both the children. She can't claim Haq over a girl who she's never looked back on.
Dadaji's first response itself to Satrupa when Anami was introduced to him was of shock and anger at Satrupa's nonchalant manner of bringing in a person who's supposed to be acknowledged as The child of the house. Gender wasn't his issue. Even now his gender lines are covering up the main issue that he Vikram Aditya was kept in the dark by his friend and daughter who was as equal to or more than own son of the house!!
I'm not saying Dadaji is right or perfect but at the moment his response is justified.

Satrupa as a mother has failed Anami so far, hope she proves Anami wrong.

Edited by Dreamer-89 - 7 years ago

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Posted: 7 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: -Fedex-
Been my love!!! awesome post 😃

There are 4 mothers in this serial. One who is forever giving - pagli pandityan, one who is somewhere selfish and somewhere a caregiver, that is Satrupa and then the third one is blinded by rage and revenge she has never given her pure unconditional love to Narottam. And last its Gayatri who has somewhere given everything she could to Baldev but somewhere she has also wronged Baldev by not standing up for him when he was being omitted from his family empire.

Satrupa hasn't been able to connect to Anami. She is connected to Anami by blood but not by heart yet. Blood is not everything. For me the adopted parents are much bigger mother than the real mother who brought the child into this world. Pandityan has brought up Anami as her own child knowing very well she isn't hers. But the bond they share is of utmost love between a mother and a daughter. Anami is nowhere close to even respecting Satrupa, let alone loving her is a long way off.

But as shown in flashbacks, Satrupa was a great mother to Vatsalya. But Vatsalya is not Anami. Anami is daring and headstrong. She has always defied odds even in Benaras. Satrupa cannot even begin to understand how to deal with Anami. I hope the CV's focus on how Satrupa tries to understand Anami rather than forcing her to do things the LM way. But even Satrupa has transformed into an LM member so she cannot understand how Anami isn't able to adjust. LM is not Benaras. There is hardly any freedom even though they claim they are aristocrats.

Every one of the mothers have been wronged in way or another. Yes Sudha is selfish but she may have been wronged too. I am waiting for her story to unfold. Was she always this conniving or she has become like this in blind rage for revenge? That would explain why she is in mental hospital.

G 🤗 thanku for being here.

I did remember Gayathri but for me I have understood her as a grandmother better then her mother role, her relationship with Baldev there was hardly few scenes, impactful as it was. I felt I need to know more about the past to comment on Gayathri.

I hope the CV's focus on how Satrupa tries to understand Anami rather than forcing her to do things the LM way. G I wish it was as easy as we say. Satrupa has a long way ahead I think to understand Anami.

Like you said she's been a great mother to Vatsalya. Like how pagli pandithayan was to Anami, Satrupa was to Vatsalya . Unlike pagli pandithayan who gave Anami the freedom to be herself, Satrupa managed to control sweet gentle Vatsalya into the Lal mahal's rules.
Here is where Satrupa is going wrong. While Anami is Vatsalya's twin she's is not vatsalya. She's the free spirited strong willed Anami of the Pathaks. Pathaks didn't raise her in a claustrophobic environment, didn't mould her into a mini version of themselves. They loved her, gave her things Beyond a surname. They loved unconditionally with no strings attached. No expectations no set rules to follow as the child of a pandith parivar, yet without any of these restrictions, Anami managed to keep her parents honour and did whatever they expected her to do.
Satrupa on the other hand is giving her more rules and expectations, trying to follow her parental formula she applied for Vatsalya and it's all backfiring. No two children are alike. Each child is special and unique. Hopefully Satrupa understands the simple fact that Anami is Anami of Banares as of today. She can't be Satrupa's Anami unless Anami herself wants to be that. Time will tell whether Anami identifies herself with Banares or Lal mahal or she carries a piece of both in her!

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646714

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Posted: 7 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: SoreThumb
Benna and FedEx: you all forgot one more mother..
kamini the clueless mother..kidding..

Great post..shall respond as soon as I can

ST take your time

Kamini the mother I forgot about her!! To me she's more Pujan's wife than Avdoot's mummy 🤣

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