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Posted: 11 years ago
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What exactly happened between Mala and Dilsher is only speculation so far as it has not been aired. So I am not going to comment on that. What we do know at this point is that Mala left as she could not tolerate life in the Ranavat haveli and created another life for herself, one which her son was not a part of. All the episodes which showed her as Thakurain never touched n her longing. But after Danveer said that Rudra is back in with his father and is to be married, did she display any affection to him. Even after that she was happily dreaming of inviting him over with his bride. It never occurred to her to find him and keep him with her. She could have confided in her husband and tried to get him back legally. But she didn't do anything for 15 years. She is just pretending that she went out somewhere leaving her child in the care of relatives and now that she is back would like him to welcome her back with open arms. Her mistake is not leaving her husband if she has an honest explanation, but it's leaving her child without any reason for so long.
Dilsher who was never shown to be sweet and affectionate to anybody but Paro, raised his son in his bitterness and managed to pass on his hate and anger to him. The child who should have been cushioned from the actions of the parent was left to face the cruel soceity which doesn't to pass biting remarks on others' lives. He should have known better.
My heart really went out to Rudra yesterday. He had a right to question his mother's intentions though he could have been kinder. Mala did switch husbands easily from what we have seen so far. And this is what everyone should be thinking, who is she currently loyal to. The slap for the unsaid words which showed his control inspite of his anger was uncalled for. Dilsher was wrong to that.
It's easy to say that Rudra should listen to his mother and clarify things. But he is the child that suffered neglect and ridicule because of her actions. It's not fair to expect him to not hurt, to raise above the situation and take charge. He is the victim here so he won't judge in a fair manner so soon.
Both of Rudra's parents are plain weak. They should have the courage to explain whatever happened years ago and not blame him for being confused and frustrated. They have not made the efforts to make things better. They are just sitting and waiting for Paro to sort things out. Paro's job is to be supportive. She shouldn't be put in between. It's time they start acting like parents.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rithureuben

What exactly happened between Mala and Dilsher is only speculation so far as it has not been aired. So I am not going to comment on that. What we do know at this point is that Mala left as she could not tolerate life in the Ranavat haveli and created another life for herself, one which her son was not a part of. All the episodes which showed her as Thakurain never touched n her longing. But after Danveer said that Rudra is back in with his father and is to be married, did she display any affection to him. Even after that she was happily dreaming of inviting him over with his bride. It never occurred to her to find him and keep him with her. She could have confided in her husband and tried to get him back legally. But she didn't do anything for 15 years. She is just pretending that she went out somewhere leaving her child in the care of relatives and now that she is back would like him to welcome her back with open arms. Her mistake is not leaving her husband if she has an honest explanation, but it's leaving her child without any reason for so long.

Dilsher who was never shown to be sweet and affectionate to anybody but Paro, raised his son in his bitterness and managed to pass on his hate and anger to him. The child who should have been cushioned from the actions of the parent was left to face the cruel soceity which doesn't to pass biting remarks on others' lives. He should have known better.
My heart really went out to Rudra yesterday. He had a right to question his mother's intentions though he could have been kinder. Mala did switch husbands easily from what we have seen so far. And this is what everyone should be thinking, who is she currently loyal to. The slap for the unsaid words which showed his control inspite of his anger was uncalled for. Dilsher was wrong to that.
It's easy to say that Rudra should listen to his mother and clarify things. But he is the child that suffered neglect and ridicule because of her actions. It's not fair to expect him to not hurt, to raise above the situation and take charge. He is the victim here so he won't judge in a fair manner so soon.
Both of Rudra's parents are plain weak. They should have the courage to explain whatever happened years ago and not blame him for being confused and frustrated. They have not made the efforts to make things better. They are just sitting and waiting for Paro to sort things out. Paro's job is to be supportive. She shouldn't be put in between. It's time they start acting like parents.

And thats why I am saying that atleast hear her once and that's the whole point for hearing her side so we do know what happened. I have not said to forgive her neither have I said that Dilsher was correct in slapping and neither have I said that everything should be okay. All I am saying is give her a chance to talk and after than who knows? From what we saw it also shows that Dilsher was abusive and he himself alluded to it. Why else would he utter those disgusting words and flung the plate that doesn't seem like a happy marriage to me. Yes Rudra's memories were nice of his mom but I didn't see mom dad and happy family memory except one dinner scene. @bold: Because of both the parents actions not just one...had Dilsher gave the love and support needed I doubt Rudra will be what he is today of course it is a moot point given we didn't see that but we did see that Rudra was horrible to a child Rudra. He ofcourse has changed now and wants to make amends but it is his responsibility too to tell the man what happened. He doesn't need to take charge of the situation but he has to listen to the situation. He doesn't even have to judge anything just hearing Mala's side may give him some perspective of what ACTUALLY happened all those years ago.
Mala seems disconnected with the whole process and Dilsher is busy making amends...blame lies on both sides but I want to hear both sides before giving my judgement.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Much needed post...there is no connect with Mala at all.Except for Paro, no one feels any sympathy for her at all. Her 15 year relationship with Thakursa is also being brushed under the carpet. Nothing is clear and her character has not been explained well... Feel just irritation with her. Its been almost 3 weeks since she is back and still her side of the story is so vague and unclear. How do they expect Rudra to forgive n forget when even we as viewers cant?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: SingaporeFan

Much needed post...there is no connect with Mala at all.Except for Paro, no one feels any sympathy for her at all. Her 15 year relationship with Thakursa is also being brushed under the carpet. Nothing is clear and her character has not been explained well... Feel just irritation with her. Its been almost 3 weeks since she is back and still her side of the story is so vague and unclear. How do they expect Rudra to forgive n forget when even we as viewers cant?

I just want her side to be heard, problem is it can only happen if Rudra listens because Mala said she will talk when her turn will come and that's why I want Rudra to listen to her.
Her side is vague because Rudra doesn't even want to hear her side, I have gone to forgiven stage yet I just want her to be heard..I don't feel anything for her unfortunately😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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nice post agree with you

Thank you😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: evenjleena28

"To regret one's own experiences is to arrest one's own development. To deny one's own experiences is to put a lie into the lips of one's own life. It is no less than a denial of the soul."
Oscar Wilde, De Profundis

Edited - I am very sorry but it seems perhaps I wasn't clear enough with my writing. I am not talking about not forgiving or forgiving Mala, I do not hate her nor do I love her. All I am saying is that she looks disconnected with her surroundings and I do believe that she should be given a chance to be heard by Rudra.
After I watched the show I feel the one who seemed the most disconnected with everything is Mala. I have said many times in my own posts and others that I am absolutely not going to judge her, I have not heard her side and to pass any kind of premature judgement at this stage will be incorrect.
When I think of Mala I think of a nave girl, although, we all know that Mala is not a girl she is a grown woman I meant her mentality. In the precap and also whilst watching the show seemed like she was abused. If that's the case good on her that she left. But even if that wasn't the case I am fine that she left because she fell out of love. What my question is how can a mother be so disconnected with the damage that has obviously been caused to the boy?
If a woman is abused I am sure in this day and age no one will find her at fault. I am sure it is even promoted in villages too. From the precap Dilsher seemed to have both legs and looked all right, not quiet Tejawat's level but okay. Wasn't he the one who wanted to marry Mala? then why the anger?
Mala seems like didn't catch a break when she left Dilsher. From aggressive abuse she moved on to passive abuse and that only was realised when she saw the hubby in real live situation. Why didn't she take her child with her though? Did Dilsher hated Mala but loved Rudra and thought Mala will never leave him? so when she did the unthinkable and did left the leftover poision was transferred over to Rudra?
But if it was abuse then Mala you should have by hook or crook by force or anything should have removed Rudra from Dilsher. She had the means when she moved on and she has gone against her husband number 2's wishes before as well.That is one thing I am not able to reconcile. She didn't tell Tejawat about bringing the boy back until he was an adult who doesn't need to actually live with parents. That bothers me a lot on many levels.
That's why I am assuming is Mala lives in denial. Even when she came back and I get it she is trying to blend in she still seems that Rudra anger's is not that serious. I find Dilsher very selfish in this situation. He knows Rudra's state of mind. More than Paro its Dilsher who knows the extent of the damage to his psyche because he was the one who planted the seed and watered it so it became a tree. Why is Dilsher not sitting down and settling the score? of course the matter is between husband and wife but a child was also involved.
Mala seems to think all will be well at home but what about hubby number 2? shouldn't you be atleast giving a thought to him? I am very confused right now and hope the Cvs show me some plausible story because if I get I was abused so I ran away and now am back I will be severely disappointed. There is no groundwork to begin with but am hoping eventually something will make sense.
Mala is in denial that son hates her to the extent he shows, Dilsher is in denial that Rudra has issues, Paro is trying but unfortunately poor girl can only do so much.
I really really hope that I get to see a proper Mala story. Honeymoon can happen after that but please sort this really weird dish you have created CVs because I am not the only one who will be upset if you stuffed up this baby.
As usual healthy discussion is appreciated.


V,

Another superb post. 👏 I guess confused is the right word at the moment.

I DONT GET MALA. ( i know i sound like an old record but thats the truth. You know I've been complaining since the beginning of mala track but yesterday really irked me. Seriously..to see both mala and dilsher playing happy family was too much.

Mala--before yesterday --I had no problem with her leaving her husband. Thats her life...who am i to judge her?? - After , yesterday,-it was clear that she was abused. I am happy that she was brave enough to escape from her husband. Many women put up with this atrocity bcz they lack the guts to escape. Fear of the unknown. --sad reality of the society we live in--

My only problem is or rather question is --WHY LEAVE RUDRA BEHIND.?? You claimed to love him...you claimed to have pined for him..yet you did not try to save him. What does that tell about you as a mother?? now that you're back..you expect your son to embrace you with open arms?? Are you for real woman??? And yeah, what about hubby no 2??? Or he is to be forgotten??

Dilsher- DILSHER is my rangrasiya at the moment. I DONT UNDERSTAND HIM. if theres one inconsistent character in the show..it has to be Dilsher. What the reason for this sudden change?? I find it hard to accept the 'age mellowed him theory'. He was still spitting venom 6 months ago. Paro changed him??? He did not spend much time with paro. He was away for some time.remember?? So why this sudden change?? He is behaving as though wifey went for a stroll in the park and returned 15mins later. Daddy ranawat, The poison your son is now spitting at his mother is the same poison you fed him for 15 years. So stop treating him like a villain or a 13 years old brat.

Rudra's anger is justified. He is trying to protect his father.he needs to hear the truth. truth..unpolished version of truth. Nothing else. Whether he decides to forgive his mother and shift his blame towards his father..or blame both..forgive 'none' is yet to be seen. But..he deserves to know the truth.

--kate--


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Posted: 11 years ago
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V,

Another superb post. 👏 I guess confused is the right word at the moment.
Hola Kate🤗 thanks lovie, it means a lot😊 I am the same I am so confused it is not even funny anymore

I DONT GET MALA. ( i know i sound like an old record but thats the truth. You know I've been complaining since the beginning of mala track but yesterday really irked me. Seriously..to see both mala and dilsher playing happy family was too much.
I haven't gotten Mala since she was introduced. I still don't. I find her all over the place, disconnected with situation but willing to be a part of the situation that was created by her. I know she wants to tell her story and Rudra is refusing to hear but I honestly think now Dilsher should step in because Paro can only do so much.

Mala--before yesterday --I had no problem with her leaving her husband. Thats her life...who am i to judge her?? - After , yesterday,-it was clear that she was abused. I am happy that she was brave enough to escape from her husband. Many women put up with this atrocity bcz they lack the guts to escape. Fear of the unknown. --sad reality of the society we live in--
Same here I have absolutely no problem with her leaving and specially with abuse situation. I hate glorifying abuse that if you love the partner stay even when they beat the crap out of you. NO!!!!! I am 500% against that theory. Working with abused women day in out I will not wish that on my worst enemy.

My only problem is or rather question is --WHY LEAVE RUDRA BEHIND.?? You claimed to love him...you claimed to have pined for him..yet you did not try to save him. What does that tell about you as a mother?? now that you're back..you expect your son to embrace you with open arms?? Are you for real woman??? And yeah, what about hubby no 2??? Or he is to be forgotten??

And that's my concern too...they didn't leave a month later so did she go to his school? she is the parent so unless there was a court order no one can stop her talking to the boy. Why did she not hire an investigator? many many more questions and that's why please please someone talk because I am so getting annoyed with this track now.

Dilsher- DILSHER is my rangrasiya at the moment. I DONT UNDERSTAND HIM. if theres one inconsistent character in the show..it has to be Dilsher. What the reason for this sudden change?? I find it hard to accept the 'age mellowed him theory'. He was still spitting venom 6 months ago. Paro changed him??? He did not spend much time with paro. He was away for some time.remember?? So why this sudden change?? He is behaving as though wifey went for a stroll in the park and returned 15mins later. Daddy ranawat, The poison your son is now spitting at his mother is the same poison you fed him for 15 years. So stop treating him like a villain or a 13 years old brat.
Dilsher rangrasiya???? Shhhiiittte hun don't say things like that I will be scared for life😆but yes on a serious note you are right. I think he started when he moved back home...I have no idea why but that's when the change happened didn't it? Treating son like a villain and slapping him or anyone for that matter is wrong. I will not condone violence of any kind...if it was Sumer I would say the same. I really hope someone forces Rudra to listen to the story otherwise we all will watch this drama and shake our own heads. Maybe because wifey decided to stay quiet and not reveal his abusive side?

Rudra's anger is justified. He is trying to protect his father.he needs to hear the truth. truth..unpolished version of truth. Nothing else. Whether he decides to forgive his mother and shift his blame towards his father..or blame both..forgive 'none' is yet to be seen. But..he deserves to know the truth.
On this one I am bit two minded. Rudra if he listens things will be cleared...now I want him to look and think if daddy is playing house house again with mom then there must be something...please just talk at least once is all I am saying.

As always love your input hun, it does mirror most of the things I was thinking...love it😃


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Originally posted by: evenjleena28

And thats why I am saying that atleast hear her once and that's the whole point for hearing her side so we do know what happened. I have not said to forgive her neither have I said that Dilsher was correct in slapping and neither have I said that everything should be okay. All I am saying is give her a chance to talk and after than who knows? From what we saw it also shows that Dilsher was abusive and he himself alluded to it. Why else would he utter those disgusting words and flung the plate that doesn't seem like a happy marriage to me. Yes Rudra's memories were nice of his mom but I didn't see mom dad and happy family memory except one dinner scene.

@bold: Because of both the parents actions not just one...had Dilsher gave the love and support needed I doubt Rudra will be what he is today of course it is a moot point given we didn't see that but we did see that Rudra was horrible to a child Rudra. He ofcourse has changed now and wants to make amends but it is his responsibility too to tell the man what happened. He doesn't need to take charge of the situation but he has to listen to the situation. He doesn't even have to judge anything just hearing Mala's side may give him some perspective of what ACTUALLY happened all those years ago.
Mala seems disconnected with the whole process and Dilsher is busy making amends...blame lies on both sides but I want to hear both sides before giving my judgement.

I am sorry if I am coming across as argumentative but Mala hasn't said much beyond stating that she might have been wrong and that she loves him very much. Most of the talking is done by Paro who doesn't know the truth. Rudra needs answers but he is not ready to talk to her yet. He doesn't even want to look at her or stay in the same room as her right now. His parents know him better, dilsher especially. So he should take the initiative.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rithureuben

I am sorry if I am coming across as argumentative but Mala hasn't said much beyond stating that she might have been wrong and that she loves him very much. Most of the talking is done by Paro who doesn't know the truth. Rudra needs answers but he is not ready to talk to her yet. He doesn't even want to look at her or stay in the same room as her right now. His parents know him better, dilsher especially. So he should take the initiative.

Hey no its not argumentative at all, in fact you are quiet polite we just have difference in opinion and that's fine...I like hearing different sides and you are polite so all good😊
I think where we do disagree is that I think it is the right time and I think Rudra is ready to hear he is just scared to face it...he has Paro who gives him full support and he has his dad who now wants to be there for the boy. Mala is very cryptic I will agree with you on that but she just acts like the nave silly woman which I don't like but I wont judge her because who knows what happened to make her that way.
I don't think Dilsher will talk though because then he would have to disclose his own failures and lets face it there are many. If anyone can get Rudra to listen I think its Paro and she has done her best but now someone has to talk or else many more weeks of this saga which I don't think anyone here wants to see.
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Originally posted by: kate_austen


V,

Another superb post. 👏 I guess confused is the right word at the moment.

I DONT GET MALA. ( i know i sound like an old record but thats the truth. You know I've been complaining since the beginning of mala track but yesterday really irked me. Seriously..to see both mala and dilsher playing happy family was too much.

Mala--before yesterday --I had no problem with her leaving her husband. Thats her life...who am i to judge her?? - After , yesterday,-it was clear that she was abused. I am happy that she was brave enough to escape from her husband. Many women put up with this atrocity bcz they lack the guts to escape. Fear of the unknown. --sad reality of the society we live in--

My only problem is or rather question is --WHY LEAVE RUDRA BEHIND.?? You claimed to love him...you claimed to have pined for him..yet you did not try to save him. What does that tell about you as a mother?? now that you're back..you expect your son to embrace you with open arms?? Are you for real woman??? And yeah, what about hubby no 2??? Or he is to be forgotten??

Dilsher- DILSHER is my rangrasiya at the moment. I DONT UNDERSTAND HIM. if theres one inconsistent character in the show..it has to be Dilsher. What the reason for this sudden change?? I find it hard to accept the 'age mellowed him theory'. He was still spitting venom 6 months ago. Paro changed him??? He did not spend much time with paro. He was away for some time.remember?? So why this sudden change?? He is behaving as though wifey went for a stroll in the park and returned 15mins later. Daddy ranawat, The poison your son is now spitting at his mother is the same poison you fed him for 15 years. So stop treating him like a villain or a 13 years old brat.

Rudra's anger is justified. He is trying to protect his father.he needs to hear the truth. truth..unpolished version of truth. Nothing else. Whether he decides to forgive his mother and shift his blame towards his father..or blame both..forgive 'none' is yet to be seen. But..he deserves to know the truth.

--kate--



Great post, Vibha ... and great takes, Kate and KhushiParo.

I'm feeling the same disconnect ... I was all for forgiving Mala ... maybe not forgiving, at least listening to her side of the story. But Mala's actions and Dilsher's silence are dragging too long.

Mala ... trying to look at things from her POV ... she was in an abusive relationship ... she wanted to leave. She wanted to take Rudra with her ..She was thrown out, and not allowed to take him ... till this point, understandable.
She called Danveer a week later to check on Rudra. Probably this was to check that Rudra was not facing the brunt of Dilsher's anger. From Rudra's fbs, it seems Dilsher only abused Mala in private ... Rudra has no flashbacks of either his father hitting or getting angry with his mother ... and more important, none of Dilsher being angry or violent with him , till the point Dilsher dragged him out of the haveli, when he wanted to stay.
So did Mala feel that Rudra was safe with Dilsher ... at least till the time she found a place to stay and try to get him? And when she met Tejawat, and he gave her support, she returned to find Rudra ... but by then Dilsher had taken Rudra away.

But then, how is it she didn't tell Tejawat anything about her past, or the fact that she had a child? Major disconnect here.

Dilsher and Rudra were untraceable for fifteen years ... did Mala even try to trace them? We know Danveer kept in touch with Dilsher, kept trying to call him ... but Dilsher never took his calls ... that was shown in one of the earliest episodes. But Mala was married to an even more powerful man, could she not try to trace Dilsher and Rudra through Tejawat's network? Did Dilsher drag Rudra from city to city, whenevr he felt that Mala could trace him? We need to see all this, to show any sympathy for Mala at all ...
The biggest disconnect with her character is that she seems to have forgotten about her son for fifteen years.

Dilsher ... is a little more understandable ... but I agree with Kate ... his volte face has been too sudden and abrupt. Not talking about now ... but about since his return to the haveli. He was bitter until Rudra's posting to Birpur ... we saw Rudra return to get him and the father-son exchange was still caustic and bitter, with Dilsher remembering Mala's eyes, and saying he hated his son because he saw Mala's eyes everyday in his face.. So how did he suddenly change and melt overnight? It was not due to Paro ... he barely saw her, he has been good to her since the beginning ... IMO, that's the point they should have shown Dilsher's gradual change of heart ... they rushed that part completely ... as also his realisation as to the damage he has done to Rudra. If that had been slower, then his current turnaround to Mala would be a little more understandable.
I understand why he's called Mala back ... he heard Rudra and Paro's account of how Rudra chewed out Mala in the BSD office and hospital ... he sees how much anger Rudra still has towards Mala ... but does he realise that can impact Rudra-Paro's relationship and Rudra's future? And is that why he asked Paro to bring Mala back? Again, viewers need to SEE this ... it's all very well showing events from Rudra's pov, but since his pov is currently very imbalanced, it affects how we see all the other characters, and prevents any sympathy building up for them. Right now, we're only seeing Rudra's POV ... and his POV is CONFUSED ... and therefore, so are the viewers.

And agree with you, Vibha ... Mala is in denial about how damaged her son is ... Dilsher is in denial about how much of the damage HE has caused ... and hence needs to repair ... both of them need to sit down and talk to Rudra about what went wrong between them. It may not make Rudra forgive either of them ... it may not make him WANT to forgive either of them ... but between them, the two have messed up Rudra completely ... and if they don't want their actions to impact his future, they need to tell him the full story.

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