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Posted: 11 years ago
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BTW i am on mala's side from the beginning of RR 😆😆😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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hey vibha
speculation aside lets see what we know about mala and not as rudra's mother
she was in a loving relationship ,after moving on from a bad /old one , she lived like a queen until a month earlier , then suddenly she loses all that she had including her loving husband , she was kept like a captive , too much to tackle , more than anyone has ever faced in the show
including rudra , apro and dilsher
because it was her most precious relationship , her loving husband who did all those atrocities to her , now she has no where to go , she is back in her old house which is not her house any more (i think even in mala's heart except for rudra she is very clear its not her house the feeling of belonging is not there , that will not change )
so what is this woman there for , what is her idea for life or living , nothing at all , i dont see any hope , she will obviously be disconnected
on one hand when we justify rudra's anger by saying about the mis happening in his life , cant we give mala the same chance too , irrespective of whether the decision to leave her son or her husband was right or wrong the woman has suffered , and she would need time to bounce back , more so because she doesnt have a thing to feel good about her , or about her actions

therefore , on one hand if this was real case , considering the situation she had to face i will leave it to her to take her time to tackle , though i would want her to address the issue with her son herself

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: DiyaS

Great post, Vibha ... and great takes, Kate and KhushiParo.

I'm feeling the same disconnect ... I was all for forgiving Mala ... maybe not forgiving, at least listening to her side of the story. But Mala's actions and Dilsher's silence are dragging too long.

Mala ... trying to look at things from her POV ... she was in an abusive relationship ... she wanted to leave. She wanted to take Rudra with her ..She was thrown out, and not allowed to take him ... till this point, understandable.
She called Danveer a week later to check on Rudra. Probably this was to check that Rudra was not facing the brunt of Dilsher's anger. From Rudra's fbs, it seems Dilsher only abused Mala in private ... Rudra has no flashbacks of either his father hitting or getting angry with his mother ... and more important, none of Dilsher being angry or violent with him , till the point Dilsher dragged him out of the haveli, when he wanted to stay.
So did Mala feel that Rudra was safe with Dilsher ... at least till the time she found a place to stay and try to get him? And when she met Tejawat, and he gave her support, she returned to find Rudra ... but by then Dilsher had taken Rudra away.

But then, how is it she didn't tell Tejawat anything about her past, or the fact that she had a child? Major disconnect here.

Dilsher and Rudra were untraceable for fifteen years ... did Mala even try to trace them? We know Danveer kept in touch with Dilsher, kept trying to call him ... but Dilsher never took his calls ... that was shown in one of the earliest episodes. But Mala was married to an even more powerful man, could she not try to trace Dilsher and Rudra through Tejawat's network? Did Dilsher drag Rudra from city to city, whenevr he felt that Mala could trace him? We need to see all this, to show any sympathy for Mala at all ...
The biggest disconnect with her character is that she seems to have forgotten about her son for fifteen years.

Dilsher ... is a little more understandable ... but I agree with Kate ... his volte face has been too sudden and abrupt. Not talking about now ... but about since his return to the haveli. He was bitter until Rudra's posting to Birpur ... we saw Rudra return to get him and the father-son exchange was still caustic and bitter, with Dilsher remembering Mala's eyes, and saying he hated his son because he saw Mala's eyes everyday in his face.. So how did he suddenly change and melt overnight? It was not due to Paro ... he barely saw her, he has been good to her since the beginning ... IMO, that's the point they should have shown Dilsher's gradual change of heart ... they rushed that part completely ... as also his realisation as to the damage he has done to Rudra. If that had been slower, then his current turnaround to Mala would be a little more understandable.
I understand why he's called Mala back ... he heard Rudra and Paro's account of how Rudra chewed out Mala in the BSD office and hospital ... he sees how much anger Rudra still has towards Mala ... but does he realise that can impact Rudra-Paro's relationship and Rudra's future? And is that why he asked Paro to bring Mala back? Again, viewers need to SEE this ... it's all very well showing events from Rudra's pov, but since his pov is currently very imbalanced, it affects how we see all the other characters, and prevents any sympathy building up for them. Right now, we're only seeing Rudra's POV ... and his POV is CONFUSED ... and therefore, so are the viewers.

And agree with you, Vibha ... Mala is in denial about how damaged her son is ... Dilsher is in denial about how much of the damage HE has caused ... and hence needs to repair ... both of them need to sit down and talk to Rudra about what went wrong between them. It may not make Rudra forgive either of them ... it may not make him WANT to forgive either of them ... but between them, the two have messed up Rudra completely ... and if they don't want their actions to impact his future, they need to tell him the full story.

Hola Diya👏👏👏👏👏
I couldn't have put this better myself...I think you actually are sitting inside my brain...honestly..its that's uncanny.
I agree, I am not even thinking of forgiveness or not at this stage, all I want is her side. As you very correctly said that story is from Rudra's POV and his POV is contorted at his stage so none of us are getting any idea. If only he listens then we will too.
They started the whole Mala angle with no sense to future story. I mean honestly forget cultural difference and I am sure even in western society mother's love is ultimate(not in a creepy way). Here a seemingly housewife falls for and marries a wannabe king who is freakishly handsome...and looked younger than her. How in the world did that happen? why didn't she try to look for her son but more importantly when she did come back why did she think it would be as easy as to say son and he will be in her arms?
So Cvs brought the abuse angle...I don't like it. I am I think the most vocal advocate for violence against women and I hate that to satisfy the viewers this angle has come because if they don't handle it properly I will be very very upset. You are right that maybe she thought her son's life would be better with dad but then when she got even better life why not try to look for the kid then? I understand a poor mom leaving kid with rich father especially when father loves the kid...that I don't agree but understand but then she too became rich or richer then why didn't she look for Rudra?
Rudra really needs to hear her story...forgive her or keep the hatred for another 15years but as Paro said if talking about or even thinking about past hurts then it definitely needs to be healed...simple...
Lets see where it goes because my patience has almost ran its tether.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ttt1

hey vibha

speculation aside lets see what we know about mala and not as rudra's mother
she was in a loving relationship ,after moving on from a bad /old one , she lived like a queen until a month earlier , then suddenly she loses all that she had including her loving husband , she was kept like a captive , too much to tackle , more than anyone has ever faced in the show
including rudra , apro and dilsher
because it was her most precious relationship , her loving husband who did all those atrocities to her , now she has no where to go , she is back in her old house which is not her house any more (i think even in mala's heart except for rudra she is very clear its not her house the feeling of belonging is not there , that will not change )
so what is this woman there for , what is her idea for life or living , nothing at all , i dont see any hope , she will obviously be disconnected
on one hand when we justify rudra's anger by saying about the mis happening in his life , cant we give mala the same chance too , irrespective of whether the decision to leave her son or her husband was right or wrong the woman has suffered , and she would need time to bounce back , more so because she doesnt have a thing to feel good about her , or about her actions

therefore , on one hand if this was real case , considering the situation she had to face i will leave it to her to take her time to tackle , though i would want her to address the issue with her son herself

Hi Priya,
Hmmm nice take but unfortunately I have to disagree and its because the point seemed to be missed here.
I have no where said that she shouldn't be in a loving relationship, no where have I said that she was wrong to leave hubby number 1 and no where have I said she should or shouldn't be forgiven. My peeve is her behaviour even before she realised how really hubby number 2 was.
I am thinking about the episode where she told Tejawat that Rudra is getting married lets have him and his wife live with us? how can a person think mother or not that someone whom you have not seen or spoken to in 15years will just live with you? how is that believable if it was real? wouldn't you atleast be a but hesitant? and mind you at this time I didn't like Rudra much for his boorish behaviour.
Then she realised that Rudra is actually angry so she tries to tell him the story but he cuts her off and that's why I was saying that he should hear her and I think you didn't think that although it would have supported this theory of yours but whatever. Now she knows for sure that son hates her so unless she tells her side that hatred will continue...on one hand she wants to mend ways but on other hand she seems disconnected.
Look I get that she is trying to blend it and I have admitted to that before too but her behaviour is so inconsistent just like her son so maybe its the genes. She cannot talk to her son herself because her son point blank hates her...what I want is why Dilsher is not trying and I really really want Rudra to give her just one hearing..and then I will think of forgiveness or not.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i got your point vibs , in the original post itself ,and i agree too, this was my interpretation of mala , why i think she is disconnected
some pretty important work here , will be back 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I don't think anyone of them is in denial infact they all r playing their part well and by this I mean that mala is playing the victim card and dilsher the save himself first card and in all this the brunt had been borne by their child rudra... all the past scenes have strongly pointed to an abuse track and I have got a feeling that mohini was directly involve in that abuse, she played both the husband and wife to get the desired result for herself, which was the property for herself, wilth mala gone and an enraged dilsher out of the way she was the queen of everything in their absence hence her drama now to get rid of them again.
Mala left bcz her sister must have shown her that eloping is the only way to get rid of the abuse and after being abused that's the blessing she must have been waiting for and she took the chance, initially she kept in contact with danveer but when he told her that both father and son duo left she just accepted it and moved on in life with thakur considering that she came out of an abusive relationship so life with thakur was bliss for her and she just assumed that her son will alright with his dad.

Similarly with dilsher it was easy to pin the blame on the wife who ran away and make her a villain rather than portraying himself as a villain, most of the men like this so dilsher is not an exception and now he is too scared to tell rudra the truth bcz he knows that all anger and bitterness will be diverted towards him and he really doesn't want this.

all in all they both acted for their own benefit rather than thinking what damage they were doing to their innocent child.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: farheen75

I don't think anyone of them is in denial infact they all r playing their part well and by this I mean that mala is playing the victim card and dilsher the save himself first card and in all this the brunt had been borne by their child rudra... all the past scenes have strongly pointed to an abuse track and I have got a feeling that mohini was directly involve in that abuse, she played both the husband and wife to get the desired result for herself, which was the property for herself, wilth mala gone and an enraged dilsher out of the way she was the queen of everything in their absence hence her drama now to get rid of them again.

Mala left bcz her sister must have shown her that eloping is the only way to get rid of the abuse and after being abused that's the blessing she must have been waiting for and she took the chance, initially she kept in contact with danveer but when he told her that both father and son duo left she just accepted it and moved on in life with thakur considering that she came out of an abusive relationship so life with thakur was bliss for her and she just assumed that her son will alright with his dad.

Similarly with dilsher it was easy to pin the blame on the wife who ran away and make her a villain rather than portraying himself as a villain, most of the men like this so dilsher is not an exception and now he is too scared to tell rudra the truth bcz he knows that all anger and bitterness will be diverted towards him and he really doesn't want this.

all in all they both acted for their own benefit rather than thinking what damage they were doing to their innocent child.

The thing though is none of this has been shown yet...I don't think Mala is playing the victim card, she was like this when she was with Tejawat as well...everything will be well when it obviously isn't it and Dilsher I think he does want to save himself but also mend the gap. Rudra is an adult now so as an adult he has to atleast give his mother a chance to say her side ...according to the spoilers seems like Mala got kicked out..so I don't how that will work. I agree with your last line though that in order to make better life for themselves they ended up damaging the child who has now grown into a very bitter adult.
I personally believe everyone deserves a chance to tell their story...as yes I mean criminals as well...then after hearing their story one can decide to forgive or forget. That's fair...we would expect to be given one chance to be heard then why cant we do the same for others?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ttt1

i got your point vibs , in the original post itself ,and i agree too, this was my interpretation of mala , why i think she is disconnected

some pretty important work here , will be back 😊
tc

Fair enough 😊 I guess we both agree that she is disconnected..interpretation will never be same but atleast we are agreeing😊
Talk soon
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: farheen75

I don't think anyone of them is in denial infact they all r playing their part well and by this I mean that mala is playing the victim card and dilsher the save himself first card and in all this the brunt had been borne by their child rudra... all the past scenes have strongly pointed to an abuse track and I have got a feeling that mohini was directly involve in that abuse, she played both the husband and wife to get the desired result for herself, which was the property for herself, wilth mala gone and an enraged dilsher out of the way she was the queen of everything in their absence hence her drama now to get rid of them again.

Mala left bcz her sister must have shown her that eloping is the only way to get rid of the abuse and after being abused that's the blessing she must have been waiting for and she took the chance, initially she kept in contact with danveer but when he told her that both father and son duo left she just accepted it and moved on in life with thakur considering that she came out of an abusive relationship so life with thakur was bliss for her and she just assumed that her son will alright with his dad.

Similarly with dilsher it was easy to pin the blame on the wife who ran away and make her a villain rather than portraying himself as a villain, most of the men like this so dilsher is not an exception and now he is too scared to tell rudra the truth bcz he knows that all anger and bitterness will be diverted towards him and he really doesn't want this.

all in all they both acted for their own benefit rather than thinking what damage they were doing to their innocent child.

true here ,but i also feel all these people are victims of circumstances , depends upon which angle we see it from
rudra's angle mala cannot be justified
mala's angle staying in this relationship cannot be justified
dilsher i think suffered too , but he is in the most comfortable situation today , a loving son and DIL and family that takes his as head of the family , i think he should clarify things asap
@vibha
i dont think mala is playing the vixtim too , i think she is a victim irrespective of whether she did right or wrong

Edited by tttttt1 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ttt1

@vibha
i dont think mala is playing the vixtim too , i think she is a victim irrespective of whether she did right or wrong

I think she is disconnected...yes she was a victim of domestic violence and my sympathies are with her for that but I don't think she understands the severity of the situation as yet.

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