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Posted: 11 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: Leesan



Ok,I'm back and here goes!

Any woman ( or man for that matter) who claims not to be in the least bit affected by the revelation that his/her partner had a long term intimate relationship with someone else and now being in such close quarters ,is lying to themselves IMO. Whether that other person is a colleague, ex partner,BFF ,neighbor, whatever. There is that little twinge, pit in the stomach kind of feeling that surfaces when you least expect it, and can eat away at your soul, if allowed to fester. No matter how many times your one and only swears his/her undying love and devotion , the proximity that they share with a former romantic interest can be very unsettling. And that exists even with a relationship based on mutual love and understanding, I know...been there myself. We worry because we're human, and relationships are complicated, precisely because they involve human emotions. No matter how we may try to convince ourselves otherwise ,we can fluctuate between love and despair,trust and doubt, conviction and insecurity more often than we care to admit. Because love is never really an absolute, or perfect...because truthfully neither are we.

Imagine how this situation plays out for a 21/22 year old like Paro, inexperienced and innocent, yet suddenly convinced that she shares a divine connection with a man , who up till this point has been her adversary. Due to external pressures and circumstances, but with her approval, they marry against his wishes and better judgement. He makes it very clear to her that he has no intentions of being an ideal husband, but she accepts the challenge and like many women before her ,she believes with divine assistance she can overcome all obstacles and change this flawed and damaged person. She thinks if only she loves him enough, he'll change and maybe even one day love her back. And just when she thinks things are beginning to look up, then ...crash!!!

Her world is now turned upside down. Nothing is for certain anymore. She is haunted by fear,doubt, insecurity, anger ( at herself mostly!) and humiliation.
At this point, logic and rationale are thrown out the window. You can't see or think straight. You've forgotten every promise, every resolution ,every pact that you've made with God and your bruised ...if not yet broken heart. You just want answers, reassurance, over and over again, till it's seared in your brain and your aching heart.

All you want to know now at this very moment in time, do I really matter to you? And if so, what place do I hold in your life? Please, forget everything and everyone else...just tell me. I need to know!


Great post. 👏

The makers may want to portray Paro as not of this world but she's human. Flesh and blood like everyone else.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: habs


Rudra did a good thing by telling Paro the truth. Full marks to him for that and for trying to make it right. Paro was being petty? Probably but even Mother Theresa had doubts Zee. She questioned whether her life's work was worth anything. If it mattered; so if a real person has doubts a fictional character should as well.

No, Ruder promised her nothing. She's ok with that because she figures that one day he will change but now she realizes he might not ever change. Has she made the biggest mistake of her life by marrying a man who can never love her, can never feel anything for her?

She's been fighting for so long and maybe she's tired - maybe she's emotionally done and perhaps she needs time - more than one night to process what he's told her.

He's not at fault but then neither is she. They are trying to find their way; whether it's together or separate. Because say what you will about Paro she deserves more and so does Rudra.


Of course Paro deserves more. I never said she doesn't. I'm going to be honest with you, if Paro was a real life person I would so believe she deserves better than Rudra...if I knew her I would encourage her to run as fast as she can from Junior Ranawat 😆 And when I am criticizing Paro I am not criticizing what the fictional character is doing, I am criticizing the CVs and their eagerness to always play with her character for the sake of the story.

@bold...that's what my problem is. I understand a normal human being realizing something like this, but Paro? Religious people in the real world go through all kinds of pain...but many of them still maintain that core belief of theirs in their God. Why is Paro's belief shaken up so badly? Is she thinking that maybe she misinterpreted all the signs and Bholenath actually never wanted her for Rudra? Hmm ok if Mother Teresa had doubts then why not Paro...I just feel that Paro has more than doubts. She seems confident in her doubts...if that makes any sense.

I have no problem with Paro being shown as a normal human being. I have also dealt with her being shown as a larger than life character. I just don't like how the CVs keep switching between these two portrayals.

Also, I am more than okay with Paro processing what she's been told for however long she wants to. But I just think her behaviour is inconsistent. She wipes his hair but doesn't give him tea? Not consistent behaviour. Either she doesn't do anything for Rudra in her current emotional state or she does it all for him because no matter how he feels about her, she loves him.

I guess at the end of the day it's all about how we connect to a character. You clearly understood Paro today, I didn't. It's ok, not a big deal. I just shared my opinion, that's all. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Also there was no war of words today between KCM and Laila. Their scenes were at a minimum and the focus was really on Parud. I am still perplexed by one thing- since when did Dillu know about Major and Laila?😕 He was point blank when she came to the Haveli.

T , I think all Dillu knew is his son is spending time with a women ...don't think he was aware Laila is the same women . When he over heard Laila / Rudra / Paro conversation he figured it out...This is my guess .


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Posted: 11 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: Leesan



Ok,I'm back and here goes!

Any woman ( or man for that matter) who claims not to be in the least bit affected by the revelation that his/her partner had a long term intimate relationship with someone else and now being in such close quarters ,is lying to themselves IMO. Whether that other person is a colleague, ex partner,BFF ,neighbor, whatever. There is that little twinge, pit in the stomach kind of feeling that surfaces when you least expect it, and can eat away at your soul, if allowed to fester. No matter how many times your one and only swears his/her undying love and devotion , the proximity that they share with a former romantic interest can be very unsettling. And that exists even with a relationship based on mutual love and understanding, I know...been there myself. We worry because we're human, and relationships are complicated, precisely because they involve human emotions. No matter how we may try to convince ourselves otherwise ,we can fluctuate between love and despair,trust and doubt, conviction and insecurity more often than we care to admit. Because love is never really an absolute, or perfect...because truthfully neither are we.

Imagine how this situation plays out for a 21/22 year old like Paro, inexperienced and innocent, yet suddenly convinced that she shares a divine connection with a man , who up till this point has been her adversary. Due to external pressures and circumstances, but with her approval, they marry against his wishes and better judgement. He makes it very clear to her that he has no intentions of being an ideal husband, but she accepts the challenge and like many women before her ,she believes with divine assistance she can overcome all obstacles and change this flawed and damaged person. She thinks if only she loves him enough, he'll change and maybe even one day love her back. And just when she thinks things are beginning to look up, then ...crash!!!

Her world is now turned upside down. Nothing is for certain anymore. She is haunted by fear,doubt, insecurity, anger ( at herself mostly!) and humiliation.
At this point, logic and rationale are thrown out the window. You can't see or think straight. You've forgotten every promise, every resolution ,every pact that you've made with God and your bruised ...if not yet broken heart. You just want answers, reassurance, over and over again, till it's seared in your brain and your aching heart.

All you want to know now at this very moment in time, do I really matter to you? And if so, what place do I hold in your life? Please, forget everything and everyone else...just tell me. I need to know!


I love what you have written.

Most of the times most of us look at her based on our own experiences and how we would hv reacted, but when you try to look at things from her perspective, it probably makes more sesne...

I know I've asked the question, what's the point if you plan to leave him soon? But that too is something she really does not want to go through in all possibility. So setting that aside for now. Just like Paro has..because that's another truth, she cannot bring herself to face. She will deal with it only when the time comes...

At the core of her heart, she wants to know,if she will ever matter to him...or mean as much as he has come to mean to her. Laila's truth has virtually forced her to question her own beliefs... And whether what she thought of them...as together as meant to be...was any of it real? Or was it just a figment of her imagination!?

If there is no truth in it, if the major feels nothing, then the reality is - she will have lost everything...
Edited by spirit - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sush updated my post on Pg 2 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
#26

Originally posted by: Leesan



Ok,I'm back and here goes!

Any woman ( or man for that matter) who claims not to be in the least bit affected by the revelation that his/her partner had a long term intimate relationship with someone else and now being in such close quarters ,is lying to themselves IMO. Whether that other person is a colleague, ex partner,BFF ,neighbor, whatever. There is that little twinge, pit in the stomach kind of feeling that surfaces when you least expect it, and can eat away at your soul, if allowed to fester. No matter how many times your one and only swears his/her undying love and devotion , the proximity that they share with a former romantic interest can be very unsettling. And that exists even with a relationship based on mutual love and understanding, I know...been there myself. We worry because we're human, and relationships are complicated, precisely because they involve human emotions. No matter how we may try to convince ourselves otherwise ,we can fluctuate between love and despair,trust and doubt, conviction and insecurity more often than we care to admit. Because love is never really an absolute, or perfect...because truthfully neither are we.

Imagine how this situation plays out for a 21/22 year old like Paro, inexperienced and innocent, yet suddenly convinced that she shares a divine connection with a man , who up till this point has been her adversary. Due to external pressures and circumstances, but with her approval, they marry against his wishes and better judgement. He makes it very clear to her that he has no intentions of being an ideal husband, but she accepts the challenge and like many women before her ,she believes with divine assistance she can overcome all obstacles and change this flawed and damaged person. She thinks if only she loves him enough, he'll change and maybe even one day love her back. And just when she thinks things are beginning to look up, then ...crash!!!

Her world is now turned upside down. Nothing is for certain anymore. She is haunted by fear,doubt, insecurity, anger ( at herself mostly!) and humiliation.
At this point, logic and rationale are thrown out the window. You can't see or think straight. You've forgotten every promise, every resolution ,every pact that you've made with God and your bruised ...if not yet broken heart. You just want answers, reassurance, over and over again, till it's seared in your brain and your aching heart.

All you want to know now at this very moment in time, do I really matter to you? And if so, what place do I hold in your life? Please, forget everything and everyone else...just tell me. I need to know!


Good post. You almost make me understand what Paro was today 😊 In fact, you've almost convinced me!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#27

Originally posted by: Zeeliciousxo


Of course Paro deserves more. I never said she doesn't. I'm going to be honest with you, if Paro was a real life person I would so believe she deserves better than Rudra...if I knew her I would encourage her to run as fast as she can from Junior Ranawat 😆 And when I am criticizing Paro I am not criticizing what the fictional character is doing, I am criticizing the CVs and their eagerness to always play with her character for the sake of the story.

@bold...that's what my problem is. I understand a normal human being realizing something like this, but Paro? Religious people in the real world go through all kinds of pain...but many of them still maintain that core belief of theirs in their God. Why is Paro's belief shaken up so badly? Is she thinking that maybe she misinterpreted all the signs and Bholenath actually never wanted her for Rudra? Hmm ok if Mother Teresa had doubts then why not Paro...I just feel that Paro has more than doubts. She seems confident in her doubts...if that makes any sense.

I have no problem with Paro being shown as a normal human being. I have also dealt with her being shown as a larger than life character. I just don't like how the CVs keep switching between these two portrayals.

Also, I am more than okay with Paro processing what she's been told for however long she wants to. But I just think her behaviour is inconsistent. She wipes his hair but doesn't give him tea? Not consistent behaviour. Either she doesn't do anything for Rudra in her current emotional state or she does it all for him because no matter how he feels about her, she loves him.

I guess at the end of the day it's all about how we connect to a character. You clearly understood Paro today, I didn't. It's ok, not a big deal. I just shared my opinion, that's all. 😊


It's all good 🤗

I am curious about what you mean about being confident in her doubts. Do you mind explaining it?

Ok Mother Theresa was a stretch but she's the only one that came to mind. LOL

The CVs are schizophrenic - that's the only explanation I can come up with 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Zeeliciousxo


I understand that...trust me, I do...I identified so much with Paro's pain and and confusion on Friday...but the CVs are so inconsistent with her character...one day she's like the reincarnation of Parvati and nothing can shake her...it was because of this divine belief of hers (that Bholenath has destined her to be with Rudra) that she barely reacted after the wedding...she did not take Rudra's vows seriously because she believed that Rudra was meant to be with her and so to hell with the extremely cruel vows!! Now all Rudra has told her is that he has slept with another woman before meeting her...I completely understand her pain after this revelation...I understand her doubts and confusion in general...but is his relationship with Laila such a huge deal that suddenly she's doubting Bholenath or doubting her belief in Bholenath or maybe just doubting her belief in Bholenath's blessing?

And I know all the Paro fans are probably going to run after me for this, but I thought Paro refusing to give tea to Rudra was kind of petty. It's just my opinion. She has always been shown as a bigger than life character, and we all know she loves Rudra despite his "confession", so why is she treating him like he is at fault for something here?? Ok even if she's doubting her place in his life...why does she have to treat the man like he's a criminal? He's done nothing wrong here...even if she's doubting her place in his life...how is that his fault?? He never promised her love or wifely rights. Has she forgotten the 8 hateful vows he took? So how is she suddenly treating him as if it's his fault that her doubts exist? Meh just couldn't understand or connect to Paro's character today.

Full disclosure to people thinking I'm just "out to get Paro": Sometimes I like Rudra more and sometimes I like Paro more, depending on the episode. On Friday I identified and sympathized and understood Paro more...today I identify and sympathize and understand Rudra more. I just wanted to give him a big hug and hold him close today 🤗


Yes the episode was a mess of paro's emotions. I think we as an audience are also confused because so far in the show her thinking is very one dimensional. When she has set her mind on something she goes full steam ahead, she is not like rudra and doesn't have ifs and buts storming her head. Rudra is the complex thinker so we expect him to have erratic emotional outbursts, he is a man of convictions of his duty, but Paro is a woman of convictions of her emotions. So for the first time we see her emotional convictions shaken and she is unsure. Was this done deliberately by the writers or is it just inconsistency in her character.

The episode starts with an insecure nightmare of hers which made sense I could relate to that, but then her confrontation with rudra took another turn and suddenly she questions if she is his wife, I was like rudra baffled aiyyy what happened to laila bothers me angle, and further head scratcher is her conversation with mythilli will he ever love me was that ever in doubt. Paro stance so far in this show is her unwavering confidence that she can read his eyes and knows he needs her and she is his wife and they are meant to be. All this doesn't change with Rudra's past so why question him on that front.

Is Rudra confused at the end is he wondering damn do I have to spell it out for her now I thought I just made it perfectly clear since we got married that she is sreemati, i call her my wife a few times during the day, if she is hurt or cries it pains me did i not make that clear like a million times since we met does not that show my love, oh i only ever listen to her what more adhikar does she want, i might throw a few tantrums here and there say some nonsense but come on all husbands do that why not me not fair, is there anything else i am missing from husband to do checklist because i thought i got my bases covered. Ok jeez she is pissed off about the red thread nahhh my paro is not materialistic like that but never mind I will go get a nice gold one just in case women seriously do we have to get married again, bloody hell I should just say the vows properly this time and not be drunk ok maybe just a little.

At the end of the episode I am left wondering what is Paro's problem. Rudra has in more ways than one shown her she matters, she knows it, he knows it, we know it, all of Rajasthan knows it. Tea thing was kind of cough petty cough, now shoot me because rudy boy never got his tea only baapusa did lolzzz. Only because this is Paro she is eternal nurturer she will never turn her back when her Rudra is asking for something, she will hide his phone to force tea down his throat, jump through windows to make sure he doesn't poke himself, so that was odd to see her not give him tea when he asks for it. I think Paro should just have her outburst and get it over with, she will feel much better lolzzz. Is she pretending none of this matters to her; that her husband was with another woman before her, she is jealous of laila, and worst she feels petty that she feels such thoughts and is hence channeling her frustration towards other issues and confusing us.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#29

Originally posted by: spirit

Hi Sush, thanks for posting...very honest thoughts like someone else mentioned...I did not think you were going to post today. I was not planning on writing anything but I have a few questions.

My initial reaction to what Paro was saying was 😳 it made some sense by the end, sort of... I guess Paro despite saying all those things is jealous...come on Paro admit it, a tiny winy twinge of jealousy has to be there. She raised a very valid point by the end, leaving the Major Saab stunned as well as the audience agreeing, nevermind she confuses you in typical Paro fashion first up😆 Paro always ends up saying the right things... somehow.

Only if Paro would answer, why does she ask that question now? And not earlier...come on admit it, it's got everything to do with emotions triggered due to Laila's truth. You might say a hundred things, but this one truth has forced you to question, whether this marriage is real, will it ever be...was it ever!? She has doubts,...that faith of earlier shaken greatly... her doubts and insecurity are now magnified by that farce of wedding they had. He was drunk, and said all those things he did... was I living in a bubble all these days? Paro has been forced to question... Forget the damn tea major, you r not getting any if that's all I'm too you, a tea making machine - she seems to saying😆 Rattled! Is what comes to mind. Shaken and stirred, so aptly titled.

But then I want to ask her, what is the use of figuring these things out, making him realize or accept what she means to him...what this marriage means and whether is has any significance in his life...when she intends to leave him once he gets better? Let me edit and add here, Paro is in all possibility trying to stay away from thinking about this because, she simply does not want to go through with it, she will deal with it only when the time comes... It won't be an easy one.

That aside, it appears that Paro will finally get a new mangalsutra finally.

KCM went on a break. Possibly to pacify Sumer. Hopefully it was to Jaipur so she will stay a week at the least.

BapuSa got a hair cut between his talk to the jungleee son and before Paro brought him that half-cup cold tea. May be. But looked like it, I only saw the episode once.

Rudra has no idea he is investing in Samrat's new business.

Because Paro thinks, Major brought her home to rescue from the Thakur back then, she is under the impression that that's how he rescues all women facing Thakur's threat.🤪No BaisSa , there is a proper way BSD do this, just send Laila there, she will be much safer. And so will you.

Major saab has no clue, the price of bringing back that elusive smile and the twinkle back in those eyes will cost him those 8 vows.

ps. Shweta. Greatwork with the collages, I hope the tutorials were of some use. We will find out now


S 🤗 thanks for keeping the promise😃 post banaya and what a day to make a post 😆 Great post girl no one match your wit ...bought a smile...very much needed after watching the epi

@RED 🤣

@BLUE Good catch , we think alike ...thought I was the only one 😆

@ Green ... Tech challenged 😭
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sush...i like your post and i do understand that Paro's reaction is human..whatever she may claim she is jealous and insecure at this point and any woman would be. i am a little on the fence about her letting Laila stay but thats also justified to some extent.

The disconnect is how they had shown Paro earlier...when she believed in the divine and soulmate connection between her and Rudra. That feeling that she and Rudra were meant to be together was so strong that she even went to the extent of publicly proposing to him. At that time there was no doubt in her mind about whether Rudra will love her or accept her...for her it was meant to be. Did the thought that Rudra could have some other woman in his life cross her mind...ofcourse it will never happen here but what if Rudra was in love with Laila. And even after the hate marriage..even after he took those 8 vows, she was fine with whatever was given to her in the relationship...again because of her belief that eventually everything will be fine and Rudra will come around.

So why did that divine belief, the soulmate connection, the faith she had shatter now ? The CVs built that whole premise of divine love and completely shattered it...today Paro is questioning will Rudra ever accept her as his wife or love her back. To me that is a big disconnect in her characterization.

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