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Posted: 11 years ago
#41
I guess it's because some troubled men fall for good girls!! And another reason, it's man's soap!! 😆



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Posted: 11 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: sushan

To Msfrootie -I am sorry to reply like this I do not know how to copy your post here believe it or not but once I have personally met a 70+ old women about 3years back we were just talking casually at a bus stop and we started talking about children and she said she has none I said "sorry about that" to that she replied "i am not as I never wanted any in first place because I have always been other woman all my life since last 50 years and I do not regret it I made that choice" so when I was watching the first seen between rudra and laila where she admits that she is happy that she is not his wife and states "ghatr,bartan or bacchae sambhalti to tujhe kab sambhalti" instantly reminded me of that woman of bus stop.

I do not live in India and this woman was not an Indian but the point is there are females out there with this thinking, or mind set
I hope this clarifies my previous post.
I am sorry if I sounded too blunt or harsh in red as I am not very good in expressing my thoughts in words I am learning and trust me I have come a long way through India forum by reading lot of FFs by some wonderful writers


Thanks for clarifying things.. The part in red in your first post, it dint seem harsh in any way to me and since we are discussing some harsh truths of life, one cannot help be blunt. There is no need for an apology at all.😊 In fact I'd like to thank everyone who shared their opinions here, because this is not an easy question to answer and somehow makes one question ones' own beliefs, at least it did for me..

Its just I did not understand what you meant by that.. I think i get it now..

Women like the lady you met are there everywhere and now that women are more and more financially independent, such people must be there in India too. Earlier days girls did not have a choice,from father's house to husband's was a natural transition. The woman of today has the opportunity to make the choice- a girl does not have to be bound to a man just because she has no option.

I remember this article I read some time back about the changing trend in countries like Japan- two income no kids families.. Obviously there was a counter attack on that saying how bad that is for the world and stuff..

Laila too had an option an made her choice, but her assumption that Rudra will stay the same forever went wrong and that makes her bitter.. The way she is reacting after that- I mean all that throwing chilly into Paro's eyes etc, brings out another side of her personality..


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Posted: 11 years ago
#43
Hi Deeps..!
good to see u back .. 🤗


i do not have any answer to this question, cz i do not know ... 😳
but it is interesting to see the answers provided...



but i doubt that rudra feels nothing for laila thru'out the 8 years they've been together...
is that possible...? 😕

Edited by goguma - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#44
I so agree with you Laila chose to be with Rudras condition, no strings attached from Rudra point of view it could be Laila or Sheils or XYZ it was her assumption that Rudra will be with her always like this you put my thoughts in words so much better there are others too I really like their analysis too.Thanks for the question and getting involved so many of us, get to learn so many different point of views.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: Semanti

Oooh, I do like your post.

My answer actually questions the founding assumption of your question-- that Rudra is in love with Paro.

I don't believe he is. Anymore than I believe that Paro is in love with him.

Unpopular opinion though this may be, I feel Laila is the closest to harbouring something akin to 'love' in her heart.

Rudra's obsessive protection of Paro feels just that...obsessive. He is probably attracted to her. And he has been established as her protector very early on the show. But what does he really know about Paro? The person she is? I can probably count on my fingers the number of meaningful conversations he's had with her. I am highly skeptical of 'preordained, divine love stories'.

Paro's obsessive devotion also feels...obsessive. He saved her life on multiple counts, and by force of circumstance, she's had to rely on him for various things after her life fell apart. He is just about all she has left. Paro looks like she's latched on to Rudra by virtue of various delusions, more than any genuine feeling. We know that Paro is blindly superstitious and religious. His being named Rudra was half the battle won in her head. The doll incident clinched the deal. Oh, and his brawny self and fab hair also helped.

Laila, unfortunately, has now gone the easy-psychotic-vamp way, but I had always found her one of the most interesting characters on the show. I point-blank refuse to believe that you can sleep with one woman every night for EIGHT years, share various parts of your life with her, work with her, eat with her, and yet feel nothing for her. He may not have loved her, but if he felt no attachment/affection at all, it doesn't look very good, I'm afraid. Laila clearly is very, very attached to him. One may argue themselves blue in the face about 'just sex' and things being 'different for men', but I'm not buying it. Men, even men like Rudra, aren't ALL that different from women. And that degree of intimacy for such a prolonged period is bound to leave its mark.
I'm not interested in arguing about what promises he may have made or not made to Laila. What I am interested in his how they feel about each other. I resent the implication I've seen in many other posts that Laila's love isn't 'love' because it is selfish and Paro's is true love because it is 'divine'. That is bullshit. ALL love is selfish. Even a mother's love (closest thing we come to selfless love) has shades of self-interest. Paro's obsessive 'you-must-marry-me' stance is just about as psychotic as Laila's 'I-own-you' stance. Paro, being the heroine, didn't try to kill anyone, but looking at this story objectively, I'd sympathize far more with Laila's cause than with Paro's. Of course, we've been told that we must ship Paro-Rudra and therefore Laila doesn't stand a chance-- and normally I'd be okay with that. Desi TV is enormously regressive that way, and I know what I signed up for.


My problem is that logic aside, I just don't buy the PaRud love story. I don't believe in it, it doesn't touch me or make me root for them. I don't believe that Rudra loves Paro anymore than I believe Paro loves Rudra. On the other show that must not be named, the hero would probably have made more sense with his first fiance, and she probably had greater claim to him as well. But I still shipped the lead couple because that was the faith they inspired in me. I felt bad for ditched-fiance, but I BELIEVED that the lead couple were in love and meant to be. That is the difference, I guess.


P.S. Sorry for going ape-shit on your post; I got excited because I saw a post I agree with/understand after so long! 😆


Fianlly, after 5 pages, someone who feels the same.. I've not been able to accept Rudra loving Paro concept however much they shove it down our throat. Its instinctive for him to protect her and in some ways take care of her, but love her.. Doubt it.. What has really changed to make him love her? To begin with he hated her suspecting her as a terrorist and then arsonist.. She's proven innocent. And then she begins he blind devotion thing.. Is that enough for love.. I feel the change in Rudra should have been more gradual, or else some reason given for why he becomes this domesticated husband from the beast that he was.. The eight vows he made, the promise to never belong to her, where have all those gone?

About Paro, she thinks she is in love with Rudra, because she knows no better.. This is not Paro bashing again, what I mean is, the way she is brought up, the concept of destiny and pre-ordained love are all so ingrained into her, she believes Rudra is the one..And all the events in her life establish it further.. This is the first time her blind devotion is being challenged. So how she emerges out of this will in a big way decide the course for her.. I do hope she does not go all sacrificial and stuff, that would be too much of a turn about from her obstinate devotion..

@ blue- Exactly. If it is that he really felt nothing for her, he has to be emotionally challenged or something..

I hope the makers use this Laila track to clarify the PaRud relationship.. They have already chosen the easy way out by portraying Laila as the epitome of evil, who is going surpass Kaki-sa. Had they chosen to keep her as a character with all her shades AND justified Rudra's transformation, that would have been brilliance. Making her an evil person, makes it easy for Rudra to distance himself without ever introspecting his own feelings..






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Posted: 11 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: Semanti

Oooh, I do like your post.

My answer actually questions the founding assumption of your question-- that Rudra is in love with Paro.

I don't believe he is. Anymore than I believe that Paro is in love with him.

Unpopular opinion though this may be, I feel Laila is the closest to harbouring something akin to 'love' in her heart.

Rudra's obsessive protection of Paro feels just that...obsessive. He is probably attracted to her. And he has been established as her protector very early on the show. But what does he really know about Paro? The person she is? I can probably count on my fingers the number of meaningful conversations he's had with her. I am highly skeptical of 'preordained, divine love stories'.

Paro's obsessive devotion also feels...obsessive. He saved her life on multiple counts, and by force of circumstance, she's had to rely on him for various things after her life fell apart. He is just about all she has left. Paro looks like she's latched on to Rudra by virtue of various delusions, more than any genuine feeling. We know that Paro is blindly superstitious and religious. His being named Rudra was half the battle won in her head. The doll incident clinched the deal. Oh, and his brawny self and fab hair also helped.

Laila, unfortunately, has now gone the easy-psychotic-vamp way, but I had always found her one of the most interesting characters on the show. I point-blank refuse to believe that you can sleep with one woman every night for EIGHT years, share various parts of your life with her, work with her, eat with her, and yet feel nothing for her. He may not have loved her, but if he felt no attachment/affection at all, it doesn't look very good, I'm afraid. Laila clearly is very, very attached to him. One may argue themselves blue in the face about 'just sex' and things being 'different for men', but I'm not buying it. Men, even men like Rudra, aren't ALL that different from women. And that degree of intimacy for such a prolonged period is bound to leave its mark.
I'm not interested in arguing about what promises he may have made or not made to Laila. What I am interested in his how they feel about each other. I resent the implication I've seen in many other posts that Laila's love isn't 'love' because it is selfish and Paro's is true love because it is 'divine'. That is bullshit. ALL love is selfish. Even a mother's love (closest thing we come to selfless love) has shades of self-interest. Paro's obsessive 'you-must-marry-me' stance is just about as psychotic as Laila's 'I-own-you' stance. Paro, being the heroine, didn't try to kill anyone, but looking at this story objectively, I'd sympathize far more with Laila's cause than with Paro's. Of course, we've been told that we must ship Paro-Rudra and therefore Laila doesn't stand a chance-- and normally I'd be okay with that. Desi TV is enormously regressive that way, and I know what I signed up for.


My problem is that logic aside, I just don't buy the PaRud love story. I don't believe in it, it doesn't touch me or make me root for them. I don't believe that Rudra loves Paro anymore than I believe Paro loves Rudra. On the other show that must not be named, the hero would probably have made more sense with his first fiance, and she probably had greater claim to him as well. But I still shipped the lead couple because that was the faith they inspired in me. I felt bad for ditched-fiance, but I BELIEVED that the lead couple were in love and meant to be. That is the difference, I guess.


P.S. Sorry for going ape-shit on your post; I got excited because I saw a post I agree with/understand after so long! 😆

hey semanti
i got excited reading your response
i agree with some part of it , some i dont
does laila love rudra , yes she can ...she has seen through his worst , best , known his reservation , agreed to live the relationship on his terms after knowing his reasons

about rudra
i think his one issues is fear of abandonment , that is from his complex that he feels he is not a good person, that people will leave him , he considered himself responsible for his mother leaving him all through his childhood...partially he is right , his love couldnt stop her
(because he still doesnt know the reason )
his association with laila also i dont think help him making him feel any better , i dont think he thinks very high of her as well
but for some reason they connected , could be the loneliness , could be the damaged nature

paro in her delusion always made the god comparison ,she treated him like he is some god , her excessive care is something that the guy is comforted or overwhelmed (in a nice way ) with paro's gestures and constant comparison and god like status
made him feel like a better person , so didnt want to break it , a week back (his first question on seeing laila to paro was did laila tell you anything)
today he wants to deal with it
so we moved on, he wants her to know from him about his past , that i think is character development

now about paro
paro a while back we had a convo about paro being delusional...i still stand by that , the base of her love till now i think is the ultimate faith in the divine ness of love , surreal but thats paro , so now her faith is shaken , how she rises above this and accepts this rudra in his totality is the track (i guess)
she always assumed she knwe him,
she saw that crying boy in him, who she could pacify by giving her doll away , she did not assume what he meant by dark past , it is not limited to mom leaving him , but what is meant is the impact the incident had on his nature

so do they love each other , i think till now both of them are comfortable in each other company , because paro thought she is with her shiv ji , rudra because paro makes him feel better , she is depend on him and feels good protecting he r
is this love ,-no, can this lead to love yes

okay now my copy past foot note
PS about rudra not treating laila well , i think they need to correct that , immediate reaction on seeing laila is fine , but i dont want to see him shout , mis treat her constantly , because i think he should learn to accept his past , now i think he has accepted that he wants to move on

Edited by tttttt1 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: neet2407

Hey Deeps

great question and some great answers on this thread - working our Rudra and his feelings is no easy task!

well my twopence worth is that I think that Paro loves Rudra for who he really is and Laila loves him for who he was pretending to be.

Somehow Paro saw through his exterior and refused to take his 24hr gussa and believe it. She challenges him about his pretence and sees what the real Rudra is like and needs ( now how she does this maybe a diving thing or a soul-mate thing I do not know) Paro too has had a hard life - but she deals with it very differently from Laila and Rudra- maybe due to her close family

Laila also loves him - but just the side he showed her- maybe if he had opened up she would love the rest of him too - but then again that might make him the 'mamma's boy' she's not too fond of/. The way he treats her seems to confirm her thoughts about herself in a way - can she allow herself to be loved in a more than NSA kind of way?

Does Rudra have any feelings for Laila - I am sure he does but those feelings are not love, maybe more attachment and as he said habit. I think the habit and liking speech was significant - it's hard to break a habit but nearly impossible to change a liking, and as for soul-mate connection true love - now there's no way you can change that- once it happens that's it


Hey Anita!! 🤗

I know Rudra is a complex character and deciphering him is no easy task.. But my issue is his rapid transformation in the absence of any life changing event. While I can accept Paro deluding herself to be in love with a person she so loathed a short while back because the revelation of Thakur-sa's truth and her naam ka Pati shatters her previous beliefs and reinforces that Rudra her rakshak is the one.. But what really happened to make Rudra suddenly go from jaanwar to insaan? Is it just that his ego is satisfied by Paro's blind devotion.. That he enjoys being regarded a demi-god by an innocent girl?

And by showing him as a person who felt nothing for Laila in all of 8 yrs, will make it all the more difficult for anyone to reach out to him emotionally.. Apart from baby-sitting a couple of his drunken breakdowns, how has Paro managed this feat?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: goguma

Hi Deeps..!
good to see u back .. 🤗


i do not have any answer to this question, cz i do not know ... 😳
but it is interesting to see the answers provided...



but i doubt that rudra feels nothing for laila thru'out the 8 years they've been together...
is that possible...? 😕


Gogu!!!🤗🤗🤗 Thanks,it feels nice to be back..

I know everyone has said so many profound things, interesting indeed.. And the diversity of opinions too..

I firmly believe he has to have felt some degree of attachment for her.. Its just impossible to be that emotionally detached for 8 years.. In fact his absolute refusal itself points the lie of it..
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Posted: 11 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: sushan

I so agree with you Laila chose to be with Rudras condition, no strings attached from Rudra point of view it could be Laila or Sheils or XYZ it was her assumption that Rudra will be with her always like this you put my thoughts in words so much better there are others too I really like their analysis too.Thanks for the question and getting involved so many of us, get to learn so many different point of views.


I know,reading some of the replies was just humbling.. And the different perspectives too..

P.S.- You just have to click the quote button on the right upper corner of each post to reply to that particular post quoting the person.. Although the mods do discourage quoting more than 3 times and making it too long..😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ACTywm

Firstly great question...gets one thinking...ok here is what I think:

edit: if you want to read the surmise of my response scroll down to the green bit at the bottom...and if you're interested in reading my long-winded thoughts, continue on...

Why does Rudra who remained emotionally detached from Laila for eight years fall for Paro in, say, eight weeks?
Firstly why he falls in love with Paaro, or if not love then at least become attached in away he never was with Laila

See, with Laila he choses the relationship and therefore it is on his own terms and hers'...for like he says she agreed to his terms and therefore was a mutual agreement...to have a physical relationship...but with Paaro it is a forced relationship.

Circumstance forces them together and makes him her protector, he wants nothing to do with her and she with him, they both hate each other...she because he kills her husband n baraat, plus she has been poisoned against BSD just the way Rudra has been poisoned against females...so neither want to be together but neither have a choice, circumstance throws them together, for she becomes his prime and only witness...because of this not



That was just superb. You have explained the entire growth in the feelings of Rudra towards Paro. So well done. Am amazed at the simplicity and the clarity of your thoughts. Here is a big 👏

Edited by JJKKL - 11 years ago

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