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Posted: 11 years ago
thanks again folks for continuing the discussion.
read the last few pages and must add the following

it appears that when it comes to Desi TV shows we acquiesce that they are not top of the class and therefore, we accept mediocrity without much question. We watch Desi soaps, tongue in cheek, with a huge grain, nay, sack of salt. We accept the bloopers, idiosyncrasies, missteps and lack of logic because there is always something out there that could be much much worse. The shows seem to compete with each other at the lowest bar of quality and anything that barely rises above, yet still touching a very low bar becomes instant favorite and bearable to watch.

This outlook on Desi shows speaks volumes about our innate desire to consume shows that show people who look like you and me under desi auspices. however, it DOES NOT speak well AT ALL for the hoards of creatives and makers who are lulled by our collective indifference leading them to believe that, somehow, they are churning out some stellar product. They definitely are not. We have adjusted our mind set to step down many notches and accept their mediocre fare with a sense of resignation that things could be worse - just see the other shows. If I am a serious creative, I'd be devastated to learn that my work is only appreciated because its lesser of the two evils.

I am a business student, so I understand the profit making impetus and motivation. I am removing profit making out of the equation and purely talking about shows as a form of art and entertainment. Every single person I've spoken to, without one exception, agrees wholeheartedly that Desi shows are not his/her idea of highest form of movie/show making. We begrudgingly accept it as our guilty pleasure, a mindless engagement for 20 mins of the day.

Why then do we analyze such fare, and worse, ascribe more qualities to the show or it characters, and declare brilliant genius of its makers, if we agree its not an epitome of high art, in any shape or form? There are streaks of brilliance in any show, even that Kekta show would have a good piece of acting or direction, once in a while. But its not an art form that many of us feel proud to be associated with, or even would publicly admit to the world that we watch it.

Yes, the power of remote is in my hands. But as many of you have already pointed out, the fare out there is much worse than RR. Where can I see good Desi shows that give me people who look like me and people who live in households facing very Desi issues like me? I turn to desi shows for that, and what I see leaves me high and dry. I can always catch a great Breaking Bad episode or get my female drama fix with Orange is the New Black, but those shows do not reflect my Desi-ness, they do not show my favorite festivals, they do not show my Kaka Kaki, Dada Dadi,Nana Naani or my Punjabi neighbor or my Tamilian friend. Where can I get my desi fix outside of movies, where I get to build a relationship with a show's characters? I am not asking you for literal litany of suggestions, the questions are rhetorical, of course, as I am not going to die of hunger if I dont watch a show. Its not important in my life, I'd also have you know.




Edited by serialjunkie - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Hi SJ,

I am sorry but I disagree on this one with your characterization of the show and the deficiencies...

A writer of your caliber is able to put things quite eloquently to put logic and reasoning behind...the feeling of disappointment that came on Friday because we are not used to a woman thinking or behaving like Paro...so we think its lack of understanding of a woman's point of view...but I don't see it that way...Not all women think alike...and a woman like Paro who idolizes and lives by characters such as Parvati...thinks about relationships in a different way than most of us do...

What Parvati is doing is acting on her conviction...The conviction that they are soul mates...he is lost and she has to do what she has to do to be with him...His venom and his way of looking at things is where he is coming from...It does not define Paro and does not speak for where she is coming from...

So strong is her conviction, and desire to prove she is right about this ...that his harsh words and his way of looking at things do not deter her and her conviction becomes stronger...she is willing to overlook Rudy's bad behavior not because she does not have self respect ...but because she realizes he does not know any better to see it...

I think looking at it from her point of view helps...not ours in our world...with our reality...at least to me...
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Ah - now you ask an entirely different question. 😊 Is RR high art? Of course not. Is it passable? I'll let others who watch it regularly answer that.

But I know that less than two years ago - I was ridiculously consumed by a show that was (on occasion) comparable to a high school production. Yet - I watched it on my phoon in the break room at work, wrote pages and pages of drivel on it, and probably devoted more attention to it than I ever have to my all time favorite show (West Wing) . 😉

Bhy? No idea. 😈

Sometimes it clicks - and you watch obsessively despite cringe worthy plot, abysmal production values and a script that a third grader would reject. And sometimes - that click doesn't happen, and you're back to your Murphy ridden asli duniya - waiting for lightning to strike twice. 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: -Sush-

Hi SJ,


I am sorry but I disagree on this one with your characterization of the show and the deficiencies...

A writer of your caliber is able to put things quite eloquently to put logic and reasoning behind...the feeling of disappointment that came on Friday because we are not used to a woman thinking or behaving like Paro...so we think its lack of understanding of a woman's point of view...but I don't see it that way...Not all women think alike...and a woman like Paro who idolizes and lives by characters such as Parvati...thinks about relationships in a different way than most of us do...

What Parvati is doing is acting on her conviction...The conviction that they are soul mates...he is lost and she has to do what she has to do to be with him...His venom and his way of looking at things is where he is coming from...It does not define Paro and does not speak for where she is coming from...

So strong is her conviction, and desire to prove she is right about this ...that his harsh words and his way of looking at things do not deter her and her conviction becomes stronger...she is willing to overlook Rudy's bad behavior not because she does not have self respect ...but because she realizes he does not know any better to see it...

I think looking at it from her point of view helps...not ours in our world...with our realty...at least to me...


my exposition was not based on Friday's episode or MAha episode. It is based on my observation of the show for the past three months, not having missed a single episode.

I found the story lacking when it came to Paro's side of the equation. And when we did get glimpses of her pain, it was always diluted and brushed aside as a minor collateral to the big bad horrendous thing that Rudra experienced - his abandonment issues.

I have no issues with Paro proposing to Rudra or even following him to the house with conviction. What I want is to see her fear of rejection, her devastation when he utters angry words, and then how she makes herself udnerstand that to win Rudra (if that is indeed a worthy goal), she must overlook his temporary insanity and call to his inner goodness. I want her to struggle with these emotions and not appear as miss goody two shoes who can take any barb and bad words from him. Least of all, I want her do things like do a head stand on the verandah of the house because that is exactly what would melt Rudra. If she is so mature and balanced, she should know that winning Rudra will be a slow hard earned effort and not a one time balancing act on one foot.
Really, in reality who does that, even in villages? or do they do that? i am not sure women in villages have the luxury of time to spend weeks in a strange man's haveli and do shenanigans to "win" him over. She would either be ravished, raped or publicly humiliated by then and deposited into a villager's house with a forced marriage, or worse become the next Laila.

I am also confused because no one in the show has bothered to explain to me. Does Paro want forgiveness, or does she also want Rudra's affections and acceptance to marry her or does she want both? If she is confusing forgiveness with affection, then that needs to be shown, without the help of Posts on India Forums.


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Originally posted by: -Jamba-

Ah - now you ask an entirely different question. 😊 Is RR high art? Of course not. Is it passable? I'll let others who watch it regularly answer that.


But I know that less than two years ago - I was ridiculously consumed by a show that was (on occasion) comparable to a high school production. Yet - I watched it on my phoon in the break room at work, wrote pages and pages of drivel on it, and probably devoted more attention to it than I ever have to my all time favorite show (West Wing) . 😉

Bhy? No idea. 😈

Sometimes it clicks - and you watch obsessively despite cringe worthy plot, abysmal production values and a script that a third grader would reject. And sometimes - that click doesn't happen, and you're back to your Murphy ridden asli duniya - waiting for lightning to strike twice. 😃


jamba ji - its the desire to watch something Desi. i can only ascribe the need to come back to the shows time and time again, however, begrudging, it is the desire to watch and connect with something Desi. its something you will never get from a House of Cards or Game of Thrones.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: serialjunkie


my exposition was not based on Friday's episode or MAha episode. It is based on my observation of the show for the past three months, not having missed a single episode.

I found the story lacking when it came to Paro's side of the equation. And when we did get glimpses of her pain, it was always diluted and brushed aside as a minor collateral to the big bad horrendous thing that Rudra experienced - his abandonment issues.

I have no issues with Paro proposing to Rudra or even following him to the house with conviction. What I want is to see her fear of rejection, her devastation when he utters angry words, and then how she makes herself udnerstand that to win Rudra (if that is indeed a worthy goal), she must overlook his temporary insanity and call to his inner goodness. I want her to struggle with these emotions and not appear as miss goody two shoes who can take any barb and bad words from him. Least of all, I want her do things like do a head stand on the verandah of the house because that is exactly what would melt Rudra. If she is so mature and balanced, she should know that winning Rudra will be a slow hard earned effort and not a one time balancing act on one foot.
Really, in reality who does that, even in villages? or do they do that? i am not sure women in villages have the luxury of time to spend weeks in a strange man's haveli and do shenanigans to "win" him over. She would either be ravished, raped or publicly humiliated by then and deposited into a villager's house with a forced marriage, or worse become the next Laila.

I am also confused because no one in the show has bothered to explain to me. Does Paro want forgiveness, or does she also want Rudra's affections and acceptance to marry her or does she want both? If she is confusing forgiveness with affection, then that needs to be shown, without the help of Posts on India Forums.



HI SJ...regarding what she wants...she believes they are soul mates ...so she wants them to be together as husband and wife...So, you see it is not a question of which part...forgiveness or affection...It is not either ...or...It is the whole...BOTH...and more...

Her character does not represent a typical woman from a village...of course they may know about religion but they don't have such conviction...which is what sets her apart...She is not fearful because she is convinced she will win...isn't that how winners think? Failure is not an option...soldiers don't think about losing either...it's the attitude...They go with the conviction that they will win...

She does not feel offended because she knows the person offending her does not know any better...she does actually tell him that he is reacting this way because he has never known love and has never been loved...she does not see herself as a victim...SJ...who has no choice...In fact quite the opposite...she takes it as a challenge...to do something extraordinary, unconventional...beyond what he could imagine...to prove how strongly she feels about them being soul mates...It is somewhat similar to some other story where a man does the extraordinary to prove his love...to the woman...It is just that the roles are reversed in this serial...and it is unconventional...

I agree that the serial had an issue before with the captor captive story...not allowing Paros character to be built...and they did ignore showing her feelings in depth for some period of time...but not any more...she has good amount of monologues and dialogues where she puts her point forward ...

Thats how I see it...Now do I want Rudy to EAT his words? Of course I do...but the problem in behavior is from his side...not hers...



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Posted: 11 years ago
They got to improve the storyline and characterization ASAP. Otherwise this show will be a failure.
Right now there is huge disconnect with storyline and characters. Neither lead character has depth or dimension. The plot was good to start it, but setting (the huge palacial hotel in the middle of a remote village plus its expensive furniture) has no touch of reality.
We all know it is a work of fiction, but at least there should be some touch of reality and consistency in storyline. It is very difficult to digest this totally inconsistent storyline or accept the inconsistency of characters.

I am just watching because I like Sanaya.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: serialjunkie


jamba ji - its the desire to watch something Desi. i can only ascribe the need to come back to the shows time and time again, however, begrudging, it is the desire to watch and connect with something Desi. its something you will never get from a House of Cards or Game of Thrones.


True dat.

Which angrezi daytime soap would stand for Malibu sasuma asking her beendhni if waffles are going to palti maro on tava? 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: JuhiRockz

They got to improve the storyline and characterization ASAP. Otherwise this show will be a failure.

Right now there is huge disconnect with storyline and characters. Neither lead character has depth or dimension. The plot was good to start it, but setting (the huge palacial hotel in the middle of a remote village plus its expensive furniture) has no touch of reality.
We all know it is a work of fiction, but at least there should be some touch of reality and consistency in storyline. It is very difficult to digest this totally inconsistent storyline or accept the inconsistency of characters.

I am just watching because I like Sanaya.



I think on another post you wrote sanaya is carrying the show on her shoulder ? I would like to disagree on that, cause I think Ashish is doing a equally brilliant job.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: -Jamba-


True dat.

Which angrezi daytime soap would stand for Malibu sasuma asking her beendhni if waffles are going to palti maro on tava? 😃


now thats a PPP worthy line, can I use that? ofc, you will be credited 👏

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