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Posted: 11 years ago
I've read each and every response here. awesome insights and counter points.
I just want to clarify something my original post may not have clarified. Gender of the CVs is not an issue. Although, its proven scientifically that a team of mixed genders ends up being more productive and produces better ideas. I had no idea of the gender of the CVs or who is in the mix when I made this post. I don't know nor does it matter, as long as they think consciously about a woman's side of the story and do their research on woman characters.
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Posted: 11 years ago
i agree with you. there was no reaction shown from Paro to the fact that her parents were killed by Thakur. she heard it, made a face and proceeded to pursue Rudra. What the!!!!
Has she even reflected on what she heard from Thakur about her parents and the current condition of her sister? NO!

To me instead of pursuing Rudra, it would have been more acceptable if she told him that, yes you were right. now help me find my sister who might still be alive. But no, the woman sees herself as a Goddess and can't wait to get married. Did she spare a thought for her mamisa? NO!

I personally think her race to the medal ceremony was entirely unwarranted. What was the rush? Did she not know Rudra even a little by then? Could she not anticipate that he would react like he did? There was no great realization of love, she was just able to place him in her memories. Attaching a divine stamp of approval to it did not, IMHO warrant an immediate and public declaration of love.

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Posted: 11 years ago
There are better-written posts here saying all that ( and more) about what I feel (or mostly don't feel) about female characters on this show. Just adding my few cents to that. :)

Coming to Paro specifically, weirdly enough, I really don't have that much of a problem with the depiction of her relationship with Rudra, mostly because it is a daily soap which needs to run for some time, and if you don't have a passive heroine who basically lets the hero be a douchebag to her, you do not have any possibility of growth i.e. further episodes in which he can regret and apologise (I hope, *fingers crossed*). The thing that disturbs me most about Paro is her self-centredness (Yes, brickbats, I know you're coming for me). Strange when she is meant to be exactly the opposite. She believed Thakur, so she stuck to him. Now she believes Rudra, so she glues herself to him. There is the occasional scene where she stands up for Maithili and so on, but, mostly, nothing concrete. I can't figure out if this show is Rudra-centred, or the-Rudra-centred-Paro-centred (Confused? Me too!) If the latter, then in the midst of all this, where is Paro's identity? Being an uneducated village belle, I do not expect her to turn into a biz-whiz anytime soon, but what about her family? Her village? What was the hinge of the show's beginning, and the Paro-Rudra conflict, the whole existence of the main villain, all of it just went up in a puff of smoke.

Right now, I find RR super-enjoyable for all the wrong reasons. And that is sad, because god knows I really wanted to enjoy this show. SI carries off Paro through her oodles of charm, but otherwise, the writing needs to get better asap.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: StripePurple

There are better-written posts here saying all that ( and more) about what I feel (or mostly don't feel) about female characters on this show. Just adding my few cents to that. :)


Coming to Paro specifically, weirdly enough, I really don't have that much of a problem with the depiction of her relationship with Rudra, mostly because it is a daily soap which needs to run for some time, and if you don't have a passive heroine who basically lets the hero be a douchebag to her, you do not have any possibility of growth i.e. further episodes in which he can regret and apologise (I hope, *fingers crossed*). The thing that disturbs me most about Paro is her self-centredness (Yes, brickbats, I know you're coming for me). Strange when she is meant to be exactly the opposite. She believed Thakur, so she stuck to him. Now she believes Rudra, so she glues herself to him. There is the occasional scene where she stands up for Maithili and so on, but, mostly, nothing concrete. I can't figure out if this show is Rudra-centred, or the Rudra-centred-Paro-centred (Confused? Me too!) If the latter, then in the midst of all this, where is Paro's identity? Being an uneducated village belle, I do not expect her to turn into a biz-whiz anytime soon, but what about her family? Her village? What was the hinge of the show's beginning, and the Paro-Rudra conflict, the whole existence of the main villain, all of it just went up in a puff of smoke.

Right now, I find RR super-enjoyable for all the wrong reasons. And that is sad, because god knows I really wanted to enjoy this show. SI carries off Paro through her oodles of charm, but otherwise, the writing needs to get better asap.

@bold- Word! I couldn't resist highlighting this because, I'm enjoying watching this show for the 1st time since that 1st week of its airing, perhaps, & for all the wrong reasons, too! I sat through the 1hr episode after having avoided the show for a while & I watched it, comepletwly because it was so ridiculous & implausible that I ended up laughing at it, the entire time! It was entertaining, more so than when they were trying the intense lovestory thing! At least, the amusement helps one overlook the lack of logic!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: StripePurple

The thing that disturbs me most about Paro is her self-centredness (Yes, brickbats, I know you're coming for me). Strange when she is meant to be exactly the opposite. She believed Thakur, so she stuck to him. Now she believes Rudra, so she glues herself to him. There is the occasional scene where she stands up for Maithili and so on, but, mostly, nothing concrete. I can't figure out if this show is Rudra-centred, or the Rudra-centred-Paro-centred (Confused? Me too!) If the latter, then in the midst of all this, where is Paro's identity? Being an uneducated village belle, I do not expect her to turn into a biz-whiz anytime soon, but what about her family? Her village? What was the hinge of the show's beginning, and the Paro-Rudra conflict, the whole existence of the main villain, all of it just went up in a puff of smoke.


That is so meta, Stripe, mind has been blown. 😆
Seriously though, I see what you're saying, and yes it is disturbing. Just like the whole Rudra doing whatever he could to make Paro 'confess' was. So, in a really twisted way, I thoroughly enjoy how Paro exasperates Major Saab. It is enormously amusing.

Although, there is a difference in that she genuinely believed Thakr Sa innocent and felt that she was acting for the greater good of Birpur. THIS time, she wants Rudra for herself.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Semanti

Really interesting discussion you have going on here, SJ.

"Debate is whether RR completely misses the target on a woman's perspective?"

In one word-- yes, I think it does. And it makes no bones about it. While the promos that had aired had been of a dominant and aggressive man and a quietly resilient woman-- I have NEVER seen the kind of exposition and exploration for Paro as I have for Rudra. I've seen many insightful posts about the characters on this forum, and have enjoyed reading them too.

But the point is, why do I need a guide to understand the characters-- especially Paro? I may be exceptionally dim, but I do watch with close attention. And I already have the advantage of being a woman AND being fond of watching Sanaya on screen-- fond enough to forgive a LOT in terms of characterization and story.

So, if I had never heard of India Forums, was not particulary enamoured with Sanaya, and only watched this show on tv (like a million others do in this country), would I still be watching this show? I don't know. Maybe. More likely not.

I think Rangrasiya shows dangerously inconsistent tones. While I am all for character development-- here it's been abrupt and...well...strange. I don't follow the arc. And if the dreaded TRPs are anything to go by, neither do a lot of other people.

Yes, it's amusing to watch because I find it funny (unintentionally, I'm afraid) and because I like watching kooky Paro make macho Rudra squirm. But various things about the show DO make me very uncomfortable-- much like many other shows on desi TV.
The day the discomfort outweighs the amusement, I stop watching, and that is all.

Because it IS a capitalistic, profiteering market-- as a consumer, I don't OWE the makers anything. All I can offer is feedback and fangirling-- and that too is my prerogative. I reserve the right to withdraw it when the show tips the scale too far. Dekhna hai toh dekho indeed. Only, perhaps Mr Hegde doesn't realize that it works more in our favour than his.

So what IS 'art' anyway? Who are the 'classes' and who are the 'masses'? We all have an answer, but we don't want to say it because we'll come off sounding elitist, superiority complex ridden, and bitchy.

And that is the crux, I guess. How far do the makers WANT this to be considered 'art'?
If they want TRPs (arbitrary though they may be), the content needs to be of a certain kind. If they want critical acclaim, the content and execution need to be of another kind. It is SO rarely in India, that the two meet. And I say this about films as well. One can deride a Rohit Shetty film as much one chooses (or even a Honey Singh song)--- but they ARE laughing their way to the bank. A Queen is INCREDIBLY rare.

So when it comes back to a simple question of what sells, RR is losing. Unfortunate it is, but TRPs have been average at best. And I think that's because the makers themselves can't decide the sort of line they want to take. They fluctuate so much trying to strike that balance between TRPs and a gritty, unusual story-- in the end, appeasing neither audience. If some of us want to see a man's story, obviously a larger chunk don't. You can't really argue with that, can you? To say that 'TRP aunties' don't appreciate 'good content' and are 'regressive', is not just terribly condescending, but also feels overly simplistic. There are SO many factors at play when it comes to what plays on TV. And frankly, even if it these TRPs were accurate and gave you a greater picture of the likes and dislikes of the Indian audience at large (which one can argue, movie ticket sales do), chances are that we'd still be disappointed.

Desi tv in general treats most issues at face value and distinctly superficially. So, I am not overly surprised when I see lack of depth here. Heck, I am a superficial person who watches because the leads are good looking. And I genuinely expect nothing better.

Inspite of, or maybe BECAUSE of the sort of reach TV has, and the number of channels, the content and handling is mind-numbingly predictable.
And therefore, much like you, I choose to not take this show seriously. I choose to only laugh about it. And even then it can be frustrating. And if I tried to take this seriously, heli mhari sunle Ramji will happen.

@ bold ..exactly a very convoluted way of saying what I wanted to say...though I now watch it for the masala, the promise of steamy consuhmashuns and PURE UNADULTERATED ENTERTAINMENT...I expect nothing more...hahaha ..I am really shallow and superficial but experience of many other indian soaps have bitten me more than once..I want to stay detached and amused and entertained and the day everything caeses to be that ..I move on...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Semanti


That is so meta, Stripe, mind has been blown. 😆
Seriously though, I see what you're saying, and yes it is disturbing. Just like the whole Rudra doing whatever he could to make Paro 'confess' was. So, in a really twisted way, I thoroughly enjoy how Paro exasperates Major Saab. It is enormously amusing.

Although, there is a difference in that she genuinely believed Thakr Sa innocent and felt that she was acting for the greater good of Birpur. THIS time, she wants Rudra for herself.


Amusing to hai. The last few episodes, Paro's been doing things at least, instead of just being dragged around by everyone, so that's an improvement I guess. & Rudra's frustration and her cluelessness is pretty hilarious.😆

Keeping the question of what Paro believes aside, What bugs me more is her complete and utter refusal to even admit the possibility of anything contrary to her beliefs. She believes Rudra is made for her, so he must love her? Twisted wonly. I am yet to see the love on either side, frankly. Though stubborn or having a one-track mind would be a better description for her I guess. Also, what happened to the whole of Birpur? What? Thakur put an invisibility cloak on it before running off?
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Originally posted by: StripePurple

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Keeping the question of what Paro believes aside, What bugs me more is her complete and utter refusal to even admit the possibility of anything contrary to her beliefs. Stubborn or having a one-track mind would be a better description for her I guess. Also, what happened to the whole of Birpur? What? Thakur put an invisibility cloak on it before running off?



Good question. I would dearly love to know. Did Mami Sa say "Sure thing, baisa, go hang out at Rudra's house alone and unchaperoned for as long as you want. I'm just going to hang out here by myself while no one knows what happened to my daughter."?

I have an ominous feeling that Paro's nutty obsession is important to the plot--in that she must have 'faith' and bring Rudra over to the side of the Householder from the ascetic.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: StripePurple



Also, what happened to the whole of Birpur? What? Thakur put an invisibility cloak on it before running off?



🤣 you had me rolling on the floor.

agreed that RR has people who had invested money in it and they would need to see some returns and obviously no show which doesn't cater to mass will not survive the industry as at the end of the day it is a business ... Yes through art if possible but to pull together all the strings, you would need real talent and grip on the writing. I am not saying this team has not got it in them to write such a script that pulls together and tying all loose ends but it is not evident in recent episodes.The way show started off was magnificent, obviously the huge investment showed in the serial's ambience but the very fibre of the script was tightly woven.. every scene and every word was well thought..now there are big gaps which are catered to as an after thought... Though if anybody noticed Rudra has been toned down
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Good question. I would dearly love to know. Did Mami Sa say "Sure thing, baisa, go hang out at Rudra's house alone and unchaperoned for as long as you want. I'm just going to hang out here by myself while no one knows what happened to my daughter."?

I have an ominous feeling that Paro's nutty obsession is important to the plot--in that she must have 'faith' and bring Rudra over to the side of the Householder from the ascetic.
Symbolism ki jai ho.


Rudra and ascetic? Ahem, Laila, ahem. Coming to whom, what a tragic waste of character potential. & I DO NOT buy that emotionally-unattached bullshit; they took care to establish a much deeper relationship between the two, and now, as someone famously said, sab washte ho gaya. Though I still hold out hope for her.

Birpur, uh, I'll just take as yet another humongous pothole in desi soapland.

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