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Posted: 16 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

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I positively hate what is being portrayed in the serial. Had they shown the original Valmiki, it wouldn't have looked so bad.

Another thing occured to me - time management. It's been argued that they are on a budget, and need to complete the serial quickly, which is why we didn't see family scenes, etc. But they've already wasted a lot of time on peripheral issues - Karkati, Ahiravan (3 weeks!!!), the fiasco with the grahas, Kumbhakarna falling asleep in battle, et al. You'd think they could have planned the whole plot in advance, so that it's within budget and time, but captures all the important events?

Yes Boss! You are right....the above mentioned events took up quality time. And when we think there need to be some quality scenes, they are short of time.....😡
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Another question - does it seem credible that Sunaina would be advising Sita on whether a king should prefer his subjects to his queen?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Another question - does it seem credible that Sunaina would be advising Sita on whether a king should prefer his subjects to his queen?



Yes, only if she was learned and well versed in raj neeti. We do not know much about Sunaina; about her character and the kind of person she was to make any judgments. Strictly IMHO, it will be logical to me only if Sunaina was well versed in state craft and a very intelligent woman.

If they wanted to show Sunaina they should have shown her coming to see Sita with Maharaj Janak; like a royal visit. Did I miss anything or did she just spring into the serial out of the blue?

Btw, did Maharaja Janak have more than one wife or was Sunaina the only one?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Khalrika



Yes, only if she was learned and well versed in raj neeti. We do not know much about Sunaina; about her character and the kind of person she was to make any judgments. Strictly IMHO, it will be logical to me only if Sunaina was well versed in state craft and a very intelligent woman.

If they wanted to show Sunaina they should have shown her coming to see Sita with Maharaj Janak; like a royal visit. Did I miss anything or did she just spring into the serial out of the blue?

Btw, did Maharaja Janak have more than one wife or was Sunaina the only one?

I guess she just sprang into the serial out of the blue. There was typically no need of her coming now into the scene and advice Sita on this. It is like she has influenced Sita to take the decision she did.
And Sunaina not coming for the Rajyabhishek and coming now is a little mismatch. Also why did not Mandavi & Shrutkirti's mother come? If Sunaina came for her daughters Sita & Urmi, their mother should have come too, right?
And I guess, Janak had only one wife Sunaina. Thats the difference between him and Dasarath. Dasarath had more than one wife for the main reason of begetting a heir to the throne, while Janak being a Rajarishi never yearned for a child though he did not have one. And he never married another queen for this reason. Its true Sita added meaning to his life, but without Sita his life was not meaningless.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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This is correct - that Janak had no heirs, and didn't try to get any even when he accompanied Rama to Vaikuntha. He was a real ascetic who went all the way.

Just wondering - didn't the rules of rajdharm apply to him? Or did he adapt someone and install him as his heir?

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chandraketu

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This is correct - that Janak had no heirs, and didn't try to get any even when he accompanied Rama to Vaikuntha. He was a real ascetic who went all the way.

Just wondering - didn't the rules of rajdharm apply to him? Or did he adapt someone and install him as his heir?

Acc. to one list from the internet which gives the names of the Janak lineage (I think wikipedia), it says one Bhanumaan succeeded Ksheeradhwaj Janak (Sita's father). But it does not tell us where and who this Bhanuman came from?
Also, were the Janaks, Chandravamshi or Suryavamshi, bcoz it says that Nimi's family preceptor was Sage Vashishta, who actually curses him and thats why he dies without a heir and then they churn him and Mithi is born and hence the Janaks. Would Vashishta have been the Kulguru for too different dynasties ie Chandra & Surya?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I doubt it - that Vaishistha was their guru.

I also doubt that Janak was Suryavanshi. I once read on Rajput wiki that there needs to be 7 generations of separation for a Kshatriya marriage to be legal. I also don't think even guru-bhaiyas would have been allowed to marry, so Vaishishtha is unlikely to have been the kulguru for Mithila.

Another question - once Shatrughan became the ruler of Mathura, who was the raj kulguru? Did it remain Vaishishtha, or did it become Chyavan or someone else?

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: chen2chic

Acc. to one list from the internet which gives the names of the Janak lineage (I think wikipedia), it says one Bhanumaan succeeded Ksheeradhwaj Janak (Sita's father). But it does not tell us where and who this Bhanuman came from?
Also, were the Janaks, Chandravamshi or Suryavamshi, bcoz it says that Nimi's family preceptor was Sage Vashishta, who actually curses him and thats why he dies without a heir and then they churn him and Mithi is born and hence the Janaks. Would Vashishta have been the Kulguru for too different dynasties ie Chandra & Surya?

Videha Janaks were Suryavanshis. Nimi was the son of Vikukshi, grandson of Ikshvaku.
Since only the first son is entitled to carry the family name, Videh Janaks are not called as Suryavanshis, instead they're Nimivanshis or 'Mithils'
All the accounts about Janaka lineage name one Bhanumant as the immediate successor of SIradhwaj Janak. One of them is given below.
Valmiki Ramayan says that SIradhwaj Janak was sonless. So either he might have adopted or he must have born much later?
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chandraketu

I doubt it - that Vaishistha was their guru.

I also doubt that Janak was Suryavanshi. I once read on Rajput wiki that there needs to be 7 generations of separation for a Kshatriya marriage to be legal. I also don't think even guru-bhaiyas would have been allowed to marry, so Vaishishtha is unlikely to have been the kulguru for Mithila.

Another question - once Shatrughan became the ruler of Mathura, who was the raj kulguru? Did it remain Vaishishtha, or did it become Chyavan or someone else?

Looks we posted at same time.
Yup Vashishtha was the Kulguru of Nimi and he was enraged because he opted to do a Yajna with rishi Gautam as the presiding priest.
Actually Nimi asks Vashishtha to preside a Yajna but Vashishtha says that he had promised Indra to conduct another yajna so he asks Nimi to wait but Nimi hurriedly approaches Gautam rishi and he instantly agrees and conducts the yajna , later when Vashishtha come to know about this he feels insulted and curses Nimi that he would lose his life. When the same happens , Gautam rishi along with his disciples stores the body of Nimi in some medicated oil and churns it until a new youth emerges from it who is named as Mithi meaning churned , since then the lineage of Nimi comes to be known as 'Janaks' and Mithils.
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Posted: 16 years ago
Thanks all. I have always prefered Janak Maharaj because of his ascetic qualities. Chandra, no wisecracks. 😆😆😆 I am not talking about the actors now but about the epic. If Dashrath had been more like Janak (more of an ascetic in nature) instead of his 'moh' for Kaikeye, Ayodhya would not be torn and all the problems would not have existed.

Was Dashrath a weak king compared to the others in the Raghukul? I think so but I am waiting for the input from u folks.

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