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koolsadhu1000

@koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 12 years ago

#51

Yes . Thats why i said there r two versions . What u have said is accurate and according to one version . What i have told is according to one version and i prefer to believe that as the later story of Shani regarding Hanuman as his guru fits in perfectly . Well said neil .😊

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Kalapi

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Posted: 12 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: nneeiill

and why are u concluding we r supporting PH and we r blindly following the show...that is ur baselless speculation coz we dont seem to agree...right from the beginning of the show we have always critcised the PH ...one thing i do believe that i wont offer a correction to any PH unless i know it for sure...as i said many times earlier..why does u conclude PH is wrong just coz they r not showing what u want to see...shows like this cannot follow an exact formula..deviations are inevitable..unless n untill they show some really stupid and major flaw ..i dont think i can offer corrections..i will offer them corrections if they show ravan abducting lakshman instead of sita..

when they showed ram kevat scene...we criticized the PH..when they dint show lakshman geetha..again we criticized...so nowhere we are defenders of PH

FYI..this is my first mythological show..so pls dont assume that we r followers of this particular PH..irrespective of PH i would have given u the same reply..

you are most welcome to come up with as many versions ..we r happy to read and discuss but u cant force it on PH or us..

When one suggests, it becomes just a suggestion, where is the force in it? Beside how can a post force the PH?

A PH will do as it please...sometimes, suggestions are actually taken by the PH (by my experience). This being an epic, if a suggestion has merit and can create an element of surprise in the audience, PH might take it. Afterall, the PH is working with an epic that is common knowledge, surely if they can show something new it might work in favor of the PH, right?

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Kalapi

@Kalapi

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Posted: 12 years ago

#53

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
kalapi

many versions say that after Ravan's death Vibheeshana was asked by Ram to take Mandodari as a wife .

It seems this was more politically thought out [ just like Sita was abandoned in the forest for a fear of political unrest ] than any other reason .

The Rakshasa sanskriti permitted remarraige . Shoorpanakha was a widow and on the look out for a new husband when she met Ram .

But the Kamba Ramayan says that after seeing Ravan's dead body Mandodari lamented and fell on his body and died .

Wonder what they will show .

I find the Rakshas Sanskriti very progressive where their women r concerned .

Yes, I think there are different versions. Actually, Ramayana was a political saga, and the version is reflecting of the POV of the different authors reflective of which side they supported and morality according to their POV and the social structure the author belong and followed. That is why we can easily open up a can of worms that maynot be to everyone's liking...

Btw, any thoughts on Sita's birth - I know the story of her birth, but am more interested the possible underlined meaning and implications 😊

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EXOL

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Posted: 12 years ago

#54

@kalapi: there is a huge difference between "suggestions" and "corrections"...

and in this forum we have had immense posts where we have suggested many scenes to PH well in advance to see them incorporated..particularly lakshman scenes..

so i dont think any one is against suggestions here..

and when TM's suggestions were not agreed upon...especially with respect to mandodari and ravan's equation..it was looked upon as if those arguements are not good..thats why i said.." u cant force ur opinion...ur suggestions can be questioned upon.and if someone questions like on what basis such corrections are being offered...there is no need to be go n conclude that responding members are blind followers or defenders of PH or they dont like ur topic..

well now the whole discussion over the issue look a lot redundant to me..no point in saying it again n again..

Edited by nneeiill - 12 years ago

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 12 years ago

#55

see this is what i feel

regarding any version of Shani deva in the Ramayan ...regarding his captivity by Ravan ...whether its the version given by neill or the one i choose to prefer ...there is one thing common . That is ...his gaze . That it affected .

Nowhere did i say in any post that it is unholy . How can it be unholy when he is an aspect of God ? But it is true that it affected and that was his divine power . Thats the reason i found it slightly odd that it was shown Mandodari was conversing with him meeting his eye as if he was an ordinary prisoner . His drishti is his speciality and hence i mentioned it , for in both versions great care was taken to avoid it .

Kalapi , Sita was found in a field when Janak was ploughing it for a yajna ...she was named Sita as it means ' furrow' . Janak himself was childless , though his brothers were not . Janak was also highly spiritually advanced and a self realized soul . His discourse with Yajnavalkya is famous for its spiritual content and is regarded as one of the best expositions in the upanishads today . Sita was adopted and nothing is known of her biological parents . They say she was the daughter of Bhumi [ earth] etc but i believe she was adopted and nothing is known of her biological parentage .

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Janaki

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Posted: 12 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
Kalapi , Sita was found in a field when Janak was ploughing it for a yajna ...she was named Sita as it means ' furrow' . Janak himself was childless , though his brothers were not . Janak was also highly spiritually advanced and a self realized soul . His discourse with Yajnavalkya is famous for its spiritual content and is regarded as one of the best expositions in the upanishads today . Sita was adopted and nothing is known of her biological parents . They say she was the daughter of Bhumi [ earth] etc but i believe she was adopted and nothing is known of her biological parentage .

Actually, Urmila was the biological daughter of Janak and Sunaina. She was born after Sita was found. Janak and Sunaina were childless for a long time before they found Sita, but after they adopted her, they had Urmila. Mandavi and Shrutakirti were the daughters of Janak's brother Kushadwaja.

As for Sita being called the daughter of Earth, she is called that not because she was born of Bhudevi's womb, but because the Earth sustained her for so long before Janak found her.

Edited by JanakiRaghunath - 12 years ago

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 12 years ago

#57

I know why she is called Bhu devi's daughter but today the religious connotation of that phrase is accepted very literally . Urmila was born later , at the time of adopting Sita , he was childless .

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Kalapi

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Posted: 12 years ago

#58

KS and JN, thanks for the info...

I have heard that Sita is called daughter of the Earth, for she suffered as the Earth does - in hands of the Man. Now, I might totally be wrong...

But what interest me more, is why the symbolism was used that Sita was found on Earth and was connected to it for ever. Being a God Avatar, she could have been born anywhere, but she was associated more with Earth, is there any other teaching or a deeper spiritual meaning to this?

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Janaki

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: Kalapi
KS and JN, thanks for the info...

I have heard that Sita is called daughter of the Earth, for she suffered as the Earth does - in hands of the Man. Now, I might totally be wrong...

But what interest me more, is why the symbolism was used that Sita was found on Earth and was connected to it for ever. Being a God Avatar, she could have been born anywhere, but she was associated more with Earth, is there any other teaching or a deeper spiritual meaning to this?

I never heard that she is called daughter of the Earth because she suffered. Interesting...

Ananda Ramayan says that when Janak was ploughing the Earth, lightning struck and caused an Earthquake, and Sita came from within the Earth's surface, and that is why she is called Bhumija, since she came from the Earth's "womb".

I don't know why Sita chose to be born of Goddess Earth. I read somewhere that Goddess Earth is a different aspect of Mahalakshmi. Shridevi and Bhudevi are two aspects of Mahalakshmi. So Sita may have chosen to be born from Bhudevi since it is herself only. She was the mother of the Universe. How can she be born from a human womb?

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 12 years ago

#60

She has referred to the earth as her real mother when she has refused to go back and jumped in the chasm saying she was tired and going back to her mother . The Bhumi devi reference is twice in the Ramayan . If one leaves the religious and mythological context apart the truth is she was an adopted girl .

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