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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: superdil19


yes janki zee tv ramayan try to give ramayan show as "nautanki mode" instead of mytho show

when i saw maa sita without vail in front of king dashrath and praja,i felt shock.
I am surprised how they can show this??
they are missing lots of important real story.

Yes, the simple customs followed during that time are not shown in this show. There is more of a "nautanki mode" as you said...important customs like bowing to elders as they enter the room, serving the husband by pressing his feet or fanning him with the palloo, covering the hair with a veil at all times, especially in front of the Gurus and in-laws, was very important. Some people may prefer this not to be shown since we're living in a "modern" time and they consider those customs anti-feminism, but this is the Ramayana and authenticity must be maintained when taking a mythological or historical show.
I also was shocked when Sita faced her in-laws without a veil or any jewels. Look in this picture. Let alone a mangal sutra, she is not wearing any necklace at all and that was considered highly inauspicious during the treta yuga.😲 She is also not wearing any bangles or earrings, only tulasi beads.
I hope the CVs quickly change this in future episodes. Viewers will be getting the wrong idea about Sita Mata when they see her devoid of aabhushan.
Edited by JanakiRaghunath - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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yes
i cant bear all these things
everything has limit but i thing this show have no limit continuously cv breaking the limit of mytho show.
i am not understand why cv is not following old costumes which has been shown already
i am not blaming to cast because cast will act which cv want, but i dont like these type of modernness.
They are continuously breaking my heart
i requested to cv please don't do this because i like this show cast very much but only for cast i cant see anything in place of holy ramayan.

what is the problem of cv from these costumes?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: superdil19

yes
i cant bear all these things
everything has limit but i thing this show have no limit continuously cv breaking the limit of mytho show.
i am not understand why cv is not following old costumes which has been shown already
i am not blaming to cast because cast will act which cv want, but i dont like these type of modernness.
They are continuously breaking my heart
i requested to cv please don't do this because i like this show cast very much but only for cast i cant see anything in place of holy ramayan.

what is the problem of cv from these costumes?

Yes this old costume of Sitaji's was much better, wonder why they changed it.😕 Or maybe they will show it later on, I don't know, but it's important that CVs give Sitaji some proper jewels and a better costume
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I really loved the Costume of Sitaji in this pic. Even me and Janaki were talking about how the Directors have given Sitaji a perfect Dress as per Treta yug with Proper veil and long sleeves but i wonder Why they changed the Dress now? 😲 I am really shocked to see her without and veil and jewells in the Recent Episode. Gagan and Neil were looking perfect as ram Lakshman in their Costumes even Neha possessed the grace of Sitaji in her Expressions and acting but I really didnt like her without a veil, It is kinda Indecent of her coming infront of Dashrath and the Praja of Ayodhya without a Veil since veil has a great Importance in Treta yug even for a Princess...Let alone the Kul Vadhu 😲

I just hope that they do give the same getup as in above pic with some jewells in the upcoming Episodes, Seeing Sitaji without a Veil is really Indigestable! 😳
Edited by Varnita. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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First of all one should understand some basic concepts before making strong statements.Even if you describe the show as a nautanki then,its pious too coz the word nautanki itself has strong association with mythological tales.So instead of being dissapointed ,nautanki or melodrama actually adds interest and is equally holy.


Nautanki is one of the most popular folk operatic theater performance traditions of South Asia, particularly in northern India. Nautanki was the single most popular form of entertainment in the villages and towns of northern India.

The pleasure of Nautanki lies in the intense melodic exchanges between two or three performers; a chorus is also used sometimes. Traditional Nautankis usually start late at night, often around 10 p.m. or so, and go all night until sunrise the next morning (for a total of 8'10 hours in duration). There is no intermission in Nautanki performances. The performance is often punctuated with individual songs, dances, and skits, which serve as breaks and comic relief for audiences

Storylines of traditional Nautankis range from mythological and folk tales to stories of contemporary heroes. For instance, while Nautanki plays such as Satya-Harishchandra and Bhakt Moradhwaj are based on mythological themes, Indal Haran and Puranmal originated from folklores.

The history of the Nautanki performative tradition (also referred to as Swang) goes back several hundred years. Nautanki's origins lie in the folk performance traditions of Bhagat and Raasleela of Mathura and Vrindavan in Uttar Pradesh, and Khayal of Rajasthan Nautanki's history becomes clearer in the nineteenth century with the coming of the printing press in India and publication of Nautanki operas in the form of chap-books

Nautanki reached the pinnacle of its glory in the early 20th century when numerous Nautanki performing troupes, known as mandalis (literal meaning: groups) and akharas (literal meaning: wrestling arenas) came into existence. Nautanki mandalis were called akharas due to the prevalence of particular style of singing in Nautanki that required a lot of physical power. The Nautankis staged by these akharas became the main source of entertainment in the small towns and villages of Northern India, and remained as such until television and VCRs began to make inroads beginning in the early 1990s.Riding on its popularity, Nautanki progressed both in terms of form as well as content and its stage became bigger and more professional. Nautanki companies like Natharam's mandali, catching the cue from big Parsi theater (an urban Indian theater style) troupes such as Alfred Theater Company, started to present their performances outside the core region of its audience. Some performances occurred as far as in Myanmar

Nautanki still holds a strong influence over rural peoples' imagination, and even after the spread of mass media (such as television and radio), a crowd of 10,000 to 15,000 can be seen at the top Nautanki performances.

Being a resident of northern India,I take immense pride to watch mythological nautanki and BELIEVE me PEOPLE WHO HAVE WATCHED SWANG of ALLAHABAD couldn't agree more.

So even if the melodrama is included,still it's the HOLY RAMAYANA.

Also,its very interesting that ZEE TV Ramayana is actually taking a lot of interest and is incorporating lot of other popular versions and as I have always said NEW AND UNHEARD TALES are always a WELCOME change from regular stuff.Also I have given certain liberties to the show makers as no words can actually capture or DESCRIBE human emotions.So something left to imagination can be welcome..

Regarding the apsara dance,I was not at all apalled watching it.I was disapointed due the aesthetic appeal ,coz a better dancer would have done wonders,But EQUATING A PERSON'S AWE IN WITNESSING SOME MESMERISING TALENT TO LUST IS UNFAIR AND WRONG.Also BRAHMACHARYA is not about restricting yourself from watching women.It is about having PURE THOUGHTS.So if SAGES actually watched the dance MESMERISED by the dancing TALENT and forgot the muhurat due to being SPELL BOUND,Can we count it as LUST ? CERTAINLY NOT .As a dancer myself,I find it DISGRACEFUL to EQUATE the AWE with LUST.I rewatched the scene again and nowhere does it appear SAGES DROOLING ...Their eyes were wide apart with AWE AND MESMERIZATION and I do not consider it as LUST .

So the AUTHENTIC story of the apsara dance acrually finds its origin somewhere.I am pretty sure the show research team must have gone deep and KUDOS to them for bringing out something fresh and new.


I CERTAINLY AGREE that the BLOOPER was Sita ji without Veil and abhushan ,That was a BIG BLUNDER.I really hope they give her the proper attire which was befitting at that time.

As much as I am against the pallu system,I would love if they had maintained the look of those times.

APART from this,THE SHOW HAS BEEN WONDERFUL,THE TALES INTRICATELY AND INTERESTINGLY WOWEN WITH THE MAIN STORYLINE.I am very happy with the show.


Edited by manzilmukul - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Can anyone say for sure that Sita wore mangalsutra ? Is there any source for it?

The fact is the tradition of mangalsutra has roots in Southern India.(search it..there are flood of articles stating this fact)... It is also said that sita learned about this pracitse from Mandodari when she was in Lanka.

History of Mangalsutra

Historically, the custom of tying a mangalsutra, the auspicious emblem or cord, on the wedding day, appears to have become popular only after the 6th century AD. Before this, a yellow protective cord known as 'kankanabandhana' was tied around the wrists of the bride and the groom to signal their commitment to marriage.

Mangalsutra, as such, is not just a jewelry item, but a sacred thread of love and goodwill worn by married women, as a symbol of their successful marriage. An inevitable part of Hindu marriage ceremony, Mangalsutra refers to a revered symbol of wedlock. India being a land of diversity, different regions in the country have assigned different names for this scared symbol. While it is known as the thaaly or maangalyam in Kannada, Telugu and Tamil in Southern India, people in the northern part of India calls it Mangalsutra. It is believed that the concept of this sacred thread had its roots laid down in South India. Having immense significance and importance, it traveled to North India as well and today, forms an imperative part of the wedding ceremony.

It is surprising but true that this practice was not in vogue in ancient days in Hindu weddings. The "Grhyasutras" ( laws of domestic rituals) do not mention the mangalsutra but only a "kankana bandhana". The kankana bandhana or protective cord was worn by the couple to protect them from all kinds of pollution before the samvesana (consummation). It appears the mangalsutra evolved more as a popular practice than as a scriptural observance.


Edited by nneeiill - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: manzilmukul

I CERTAINLY AGREE that the BLOOPER was Sita ji without Veil and abhushan ,That was a BIG BLUNDER.I really hope they give her the proper attire which was befitting at that time.

As much as I am against the pallu system,I would love if they had maintained the look of those times.

APART from this,THE SHOW HAS BEEN WONDERFUL,THE TALES INTRICATELY AND INTERESTINGLY WOWEN WITH THE MAIN STORYLINE.I am very happy with the show.




totally agree...is lust the only emotion which comes when a man watches a woman dance ?? that is disgrace to dance itself...i was against apsara dance coz i thought they made it up and everyone echoed the same that is cooked up stuff ..but now when i know it has some base..i happily accept my ignorance..anyways am not all well versed with any scriptures..
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@manzilmukul,
I am sorry if our reference to nautanki offended you. It was not meant offensively. My intention was that some of the scenes in this show were shown too lightly with not enough research. I was not impressed with many of the scenes in the last two episodes because they seemed too rushed and not as meaningful as they should be, especially pertaining to Ram's decision to take vanvaas. It seemed too superfluous to me. Of course this is my own opinion and I'm not forcing it down anyone's throat. I know many people in the forum loved the last two episodes so my intention is not to offend them. I'm just expressing my views.
I'm not against other sources being incorporated into the storyline. I don't understand why people think that if we have a problem with one story, it means we're rigid about one source. I support the concept of incorporating many sources, but it is my belief that not all the stories maintain the dignity of the characters. Take for example my reference to the Ram of Ananda Ramayana. Would you guys want to see that story in Zee Tv's Ramayan? We can always say the show is "respecting" other sources by including that story, but how many people will want to see Ram ordering Lakshman to kill Sita?
A show should be careful in what stories they show in their serial. I'm not saying Zee Tv should stop incorporating other sources. I'm just saying that the flow of the story should not be lost, and for me, the flow was lost once Ayodhya Kand started in the show. Others may have accepted the apsara story, but even if it's from Krittivas Ramayan I don't believe in it. I feel that it portrays the characters as base humans and you may disagree with me, but I'm entitled to my opinion.
The show needs to regain its consistency and I'm hoping that the future episodes will stick to the main story and incorporate other sources occasionally. The show should not be based on folklore. It can incorporate folklore but it should stick to the authentic story 80% of the time.
Anyway, I don't mean any offense to anyone here, but I'd just like to point that that just because some story is from a source, it doesn't mean people have to accept it. There are many stories out there that are plain absurd and if those stories go against our ideals of Ram, Sita, and Lakshman, viewers don't have to accept them. I realize that the apsara story is from Krittivas Ramayana, but my opinion on it hasn't changed and I would have preferred had a normal wedding been shown in its place.
Sita Rama Kalyanam is supposed to be such a grand and divine affair. Viewing it even onscreen is supposed to fill viewers with peace and joy, but in this show more focus was given to the apsara and the wedding was rushed. Not all the rituals were shown and I was left plain disappointed.
I don't have a problem with the whole show. I do think they are trying really hard and I applaud the actors for their effort, but the CVs need to improve a lot to make this mythological show a divine experience for viewers. This is just my opinion and none of you have to accept it.😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@nneeil,
We can debate the origin of mangalsutra because I do know that several versions say different things, but both Ramcharitmanas and Valmiki Ramayan very clearly mention that Sita left Ayodhya with aabhushan. It was considered inauspicious for a woman to show herself in front of her husband without jewelry, because having no jewelry was equal to being a widow. The only time Sita Ma removed her jewelry was out of desperation when she was being kidnapped by Ravan. She threw her jewels onto Rishyamukh parvat, but otherwise she always had earrings, chudamani, mudrika, kangan, necklace, nose ring, and anklets.
If not the mangal sutra, Zee Tv should at least have shown Sita with some kind of necklace and other jewels. It was shocking to see her standing before Ram and Dashrath without a veil or any jewels. She looked more like a "modern" Sita than an authentic one.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@janaki..

yes, i remember Neha herself said sitamma had all these mentioned jewelleries when she left for vanvaas...i had forgotten the names which she said..and now I feel its what u have mentioned..so lets wait n c if they will work on this aspect in the coming episodes coz jewellery i guess holds a prominent place story wise too...

and about mangalsutra i still believe after reading many research articles on it that it was not prevalent in northern part of India in ancient times.

Edited by nneeiill - 12 years ago

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