Sleet of Emotional Quivers on RadhaKrishn Love CC#10/DT Nt Pg#41 - Page 91

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

But Karna was none of those

Definitely not a great ruler, he spent his time miles away from his kingdom

Anything but a great scholar, exhibited nothing of that sort

Father?? He was ready to give his sons as a prize to anyone who tells him the address of Arjun, I don't think that's anything but an example of good father

No I asked in general. Absolutely nothing justifies abuse. Yet Ravana is considered great. Why?

I get confused by this.

Originally posted by: vyapti

Then why is Ravana considered great?

A great ruler, a great scholar...great father etc etc?

according to me he wasnt great either and i think many would agree with me there is a reason his fall is celebrated people like him and karna got the fate they deserved

being a great father great ruler accounts to nothing when you cannot even have normal human decency

i can only imagine karna s sons learned from a father who had such great ideas as he did i dont think such a person is good influence to have around

another point is people can call karna "great" if he does fits their definition of it

you want to like him idolize him go right ahead and do it but like him as he was accept him as he was

and he was an eve teaser/molester he did very happily as vyasa describes abused a fellow human being

dont hide it dont deny it dont try to gloss over it accept it

if you ask me such behavior should not be idolized

but we do live in a world where victim falling for their bullies/abusers is a very "sexy" thing in literature

and anti heroes like karna are more desirable than krishna bhim arjuna sahadeva etc

and character like draco malfoy is more desirable then someone llike ron weasley even thought the former constantly bullied made fun of dead parents wished death upon while latter when he was 13 stood between his friend and the killer just because the guy was his friend followed him on a suicide mission just because again he was friend

fought a war because that was the right thing to do and begged a cold heartless woman to torture him to kill him if that spared the girl he loved from such a predicament

Originally posted by: Life_Is_Dutiful

Probably because Ram and Lakshman took public administration classes from Ravana before his death. 😂😂😂

Not mentioned in Valmiki Ramayana

Originally posted by: vyapti

No I asked in general. Absolutely nothing justifies abuse. Yet Ravana is considered great. Why?

I get confused by this.

I think because a few Puranas say that he was a great Bhakt of Shiva and scholar of Vedas

Aside he had made Lanka a great civilization and took it to skies, undoubtedly for his citizens he was a good king.

I meant that I don't think we can compare Karna with Ravan

Did Ravan assault Sita? My understanding of Ramayan is limited, but I'm darned sure he didn't lay a finger on her.

Kidnapping her was bad enough. Still, no assault.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Did Ravan assault Sita? My understanding of Ramayan is limited, but I'm darned sure he didn't lay a finger on her.

Kidnapping her was bad enough. Still, no assault.

On saying that sentence to Maithili, who by herself is a nice talker and who is a proper one for addressing with nice words, that verily evil-minded demon Ravana maddened by lust drew nigh of Seetha and grabbed her, as Budha, the Jupiter grabs the Star Rohini in firmament.

He that Ravana grabbed the lotus-eyed Seetha on lifting her up with his left hand at her plait of hair at nape, and with his right hand at her thighs.

ARANYA KANDA

The king of ogres Ravana speaking thus to Seetha, full of anger and fury spoke subsequent word to Seetha. "O Seetha with best complexion! Whatever limit has been made by me to you, those two months are protectable to me. Thereafter ascend my bed. Above two months you not desiring me as husband will be killed in my kitchen for my breakfast."

SUNDARA KANDA

Can these be considered as assault?

Originally posted by: vyapti

On saying that sentence to Maithili, who by herself is a nice talker and who is a proper one for addressing with nice words, that verily evil-minded demon Ravana maddened by lust drew nigh of Seetha and grabbed her, as Budha, the Jupiter grabs the Star Rohini in firmament.

He that Ravana grabbed the lotus-eyed Seetha on lifting her up with his left hand at her plait of hair at nape, and with his right hand at her thighs.

ARANYA KANDA

The king of ogres Ravana speaking thus to Seetha, full of anger and fury spoke subsequent word to Seetha. "O Seetha with best complexion! Whatever limit has been made by me to you, those two months are protectable to me. Thereafter ascend my bed. Above two months you not desiring me as husband will be killed in my kitchen for my breakfast."

SUNDARA KANDA

Can these be considered as assault?

yes, assault. karna was worse though. He ordered her stripped naked in a court full of men, asked Panchali to choose one of the men there to have sex with, ordered her to be taken to the (sex) slave house where that would be her job.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Did Ravan assault Sita? My understanding of Ramayan is limited, but I'm darned sure he didn't lay a finger on her.

Kidnapping her was bad enough. Still, no assault.

Kidnapped her, tortured her and threatened to kill her. Had she succumbed under pressure he would have definitely layed his everything on her, that would still be an assault because in that case the consent would have been forceful. He was making full attempts to assault her, couldn't get successful though same as Karna, he didn't lay his finger on Draupadi either, was trying to assault her but couldn't get successful

I don't find much difference in both excluding the method taken for the attempted assault

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Kidnapped her, tortured her and threatened to kill her. Had she succumbed under pressure he would have definitely layed his everything on her, that would still be an assault because in that case the consent would have been forceful. He was making full attempts to assault her, couldn't get successful though same as Karna, he didn't lay his finger on Draupadi either, was trying to assault her but couldn't get successful

I don't find much difference in both excluding the method taken for the attempted assault

True, but I'd still consider an assault as a group more heinous. One on one is a crime of violence, but (this is just my opinion) a group assault is more dehumanizing. That was what Karna was trying to do. Make Panchali be a sex slave to them.