IF Suneheri was a MAN? Would we judge her this harshly? - Page 4

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Posted: 10 years ago
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i would like to say only that i completely agree with u she is craving for rehan's love but now after their last encounter she became sure tyat she can never b loved,no one can love her may b that's why she mocks sahil's love cus she has never seen anyone being loved so much n she herself was never loved n i feel very disgusting when ppl make fun of her eating from a garbage how heartless i agree she is doing wrong n hope tgat she does something good i guess she should replace herself with sanam during the nikah
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SurbhikiPankhi


I don't understand the fretting. Sanam and Aahil have been already established, they're going to be together either by hook or crook. Like Aahil promised it himself.

God knows when?who knows till then i will be here or not 😲 🥱 becoz AaHer are disgusting ..can't see their romance in any way ..they are destroying my SaHil and i hope ahil go somewhere and seher do whatever she want to do in Ibrahim mansion 🥱
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Surbhiholic.

knows when?who knows till then i will be here or not 😲 🥱 becoz AaHer are disgusting ..can"'t swe their romance in any way ..they are destroying my SaHil and i hope ahil go somewhere and seher do whatever she want to do in Ibrahim mansion t 🥱

Patience is a virtue. 😆 Indian dramas require nothing but that. I have my faith in SaHil, there love is true they'll make it. 😳
Seher doesn't want IM, that's your real antagonists, Tanveer and Razia, who have a weird obsession with IM and property. Seher has no plans to get settled (unless with Rehan) she wants her money and she wants to go "choomantar" with it.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Oh god... suicide bombers
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SurbhikiPankhi

There was some ref that she is doing it bcoz she din't get Rehan & her current actions are self-destructive,she wouldn't have agreed for the marriage if she had some hopes left etc etc.
She wants to build her life on the graveyard of the person's identity she is stealing. That's a wrong way to better her life. She is emotionally vulnerable & easy to be manipulated by Razia, agree,those are only excuses.
Nice chatting with u. Want to end it here,have said enough abt a criminal daughter of a long dead dear couple and her excuses.😆

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: trina2010

Why would someone judge a man and woman differently? I don't know about others but I know I wont. I never did. When QH1 happened it was ASAD who I used to bash for his preconceived notion and being a complete MCP. I felt more than Billi Asad was guilty for Zoyas torture by that cat since he was blinded in his faith for completely covered tehzeeb e afta women . He never believed anything against Billi and he did suffer a lot till his last breath. Most of us bashed him left and right all the time and never gave him any privilege for being a man or an eye candy.
Why should it be different for Sunheri? If we have to sympathize her we should have done the same with Billi as well. So far where's the difference? Both are planted by Razia into someone else's house to ruin their happiness.Where Billi came to spy on ASAD and find some stuffs for Razia , sunheri actually replaced another woman who happens to be her lookalike. Sunheris agenda is similar to Billis . She must know that her lookslike have been harmed somehow and kept away from her family while she is living her life and even conning her husband. Sorry but her being heartbroken by Rehan doesn't count. She decided to keep Rehan oblivious to her past and it backfired on her. Now Just because Rehan won't accept her , she can't decide to break another couple so much in love with each other for her greed. If we accept and understand her reasons then we should have done the same with Bilii as well. Billi was rejected by ASAD and became dangerous . Here Sunheri got rejected by Rehan and ruining people's lives. Where's the difference? None of us supported Billi ever or try to see her POV ever? If Sunheri had no one to care for her , we never saw anyone caring for Billi as well. She might have come from a harsh situation as well but none of us were sympathetic to her. EVER. She even had a stone eye and often got mocked by people around her for that . If I remenber correctly no one ever supported her . Sunheri is actually aiding to a kidnapping and conning as well. She is a criminal and there's no bad or good crime in the court of law. Kidnapping and keeping someone captive while playing her entire family is no way better than killing somebody.
So far there's no difference between Billi and
Sunheri . However IF she still grows conscience and helps finding Sanam then ofcourse she will be different from Billi. Billi was unable to get control over her greed and I really hope Sunheri would. Otherwise IMO no amount of redemption would be good for her.
I know she will be forgiven by her lost family and Of course Sanam but I hope she gets the chance to redeem herself only after getting her share of punishment. Sorry but so far I fail to sympathize with a woman like her.



Trina, I usually agree with you, but in this case I have to disagree! Suneheri is NOT like Billi! Billi was never shown to question her actions? She never thought of sparing anyone? She NEVER thought if what she was doing was wrong? She was basically a psychopath. She even told Zoya that she HERSELF caused the blindness in one eye?


She used to do insane things like set herself on fire and pretend to have an abusive husband, all to get sympathy? She used to try to kill people? She always thought only of herself and we NEVER saw her show empathy to anyone? But Suneheri started to make a connection with Rehan and the more she got to know him, the worse she felt about conning him, and in the end she didnt even do it?


But once she got rejected by him, she went back to her conning ways, coz she didnt see the point of changing? She felt disillusioned? I don't think people here UNDERSTAND why she is the way she is? She was alone from age 2, and she was brought up by a thief and a prostitute? WHY would she have such a grand conscience that she will always be feeling guilty about robbing someone?


Also, the other point is that she does feel bad when she sees that Aahil loves Sanam. IF she had no conscience, she would have launched that lantern with him, she would have slept in the same room with him, she would not have spent time thinking about how much Aahil loves Sanam and she wont have told Razia that she cant marry Aahil coz he loved SANAM? So I dont agree that Suneheri is just like Billi? She is NOTHING like her. Yes she wants money and she is selling her soul for it. But people have reasons for doing what they do? Even people who have a basic good nature can be currupted by their situation and their upbringing. Even the BEST people can be swayed into bad by keeping BAD company?


But everytime someone acts in a less than perfect way, especially a women, we cant just call her a "Heartless vamp" and close the topic. That is what I meant by women are judged harsher than men. We find imperfect behavior in a women a lot less palatable than in a man! This is a fact!


Even with Billi. I actually felt bad for her when she told Rehan that she was not able to be there for him, coz she was an unwed Mother and could not publicly acknowledge him! THAT part is true. But the rest of what she did is not worth sympathizing with! But for THAT part, I did feel sympathy for her. Because now that I am a Mother, I know how much it would hurt, if I could not acknowledge by own child because I was unable to do so in front of society.


Billi is a VERY BAD women. But for that moment, I felt sympathy for her. I always wanted to know why she was the way she was? But it is Gul Khan's fault that she never gave us a proper back story? So how can we feel anything but disgust for this women? But we DO know Suneheri's back story, so we can feel some empathy for her situation, coz at a young age, she was left abandoned without parents to fend for herself. A child who used to have a loving family.


I dont agree with those that say that people are making excuses for her coz she is ASYA's daughter. On the contrary it is the people that expect her to have an elevated conscience are the one's that are expecting BETTER from her coz she is ASYA's daughter? If this was any old Vamp, would we be even having this discussion? A vamp is a vamp right? Did we question NIDA's motives? Did we say that SHE should have a conscience about Conning a close friend? Suneheri dosent even know these people? So why are we expecting so much better from a run of the mill VAMP, which is what people are saying she is? Contradictory isnt it?

Edited by MrDarcyfan - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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i agree with you... we have different standards for men n women...
i really think let the people dislike hate her ... she is not a perfect chracater she has her flaws like all other characters so she wont be liked by many...

she was never the innocent girl next door... and all the people are not the same... she is not Sanam ... so let be her Sunehri...

What i m annoyed about it people comparing her to billi... yes i know their circumstances have been the same but we have not yet seen Sunehri's journey... She did not kill anybody for money... nor did she slept with anyone who has come her way... before comparing her to billi we shoudl first wait for her story to be told .. n if she engages in any such activity in the future yes bash her and compare her to any vamp character possible... but there r still chances that she will let the good in her heart ( which right now is blinded by the heartache she has suffered) overcome the bad...

I M NOT ADVOCATING WHAT SHE IS DOING THESE DAYS... NOR I M SYMPATHISIZG WITH HER... i also feel annoyed when she uses the "Sanam tactics" on Aahil... But she is Sunehri for us not Sanam ... and thats the major difference... thats the essence of this story...


yeah she should be disliked hated whatever for her current behaviour but calling her by abusive names is a bit overboard... She should and would redeem herself because knownigly she has been playing with someone's life and i dont myself like her for doing that ... but at this point of time i dont hate her and thats my way of looking at a character ... If i can love ARI and forgive him for his previous flings then i can do the same with Sunehri too...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Tamara27

Oh god... suicide bombers


Serial killers too😉
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SheAish

Mandy, I don't think I have seen many posts from you which I totally disagree with so far...but this time I have a totally different take...

Love is not an emotion only experienced by the good...yes...the biggest criminals and war loads in the world also have love stories of their own...Actually history is abound with many such cases...

Now you agree that what Sunehri is doing is really bad, but you are saying that you understand that its her broken heart that's making her do it and thus you feel for her as well.?????

For me, I DON"T feel anything for her "heartache", because for one thing, I doubt that she has fallen in love in its real pureness, but yes I agree that she has come across a finer emotion in her life for the first time but it has a long way to go for it to be comparable to a pure and deep love that Sahil were shown to have.
Second, even if it was love there is no way in hell that would make me understand and be sympathetic to a person agreeing to ruin somoneone else's life while at the same time risking the very life of someone in the process, just because she herself is scorned in love...
If anything if her heart was good, this would have actually made her more sympathetic and understand others in love and if nothing else would have just left by now even though she might not go out of her way and make things right and bring back Sanam.

Love in its real sense makes us want to change ourselves because thats one of those pure god given emotions that humans experience and thus it does not matter whether we are lucky in love or not or whether our love is reciprocated or not...So for me if Sunehri is really experiencing this kind of love she would have changed for the better, whether Rehan loved her in return or not.

Case in point, lets look at Ahil and his journey in love...his love made him totally change himself and become a better person and that journey started from the beginning even when he had no hopes of Sanam loving him ever...Its actually his change in behavior which made Sanam love him and here Sunehri is expecting Rehan to love her despite her going ahead with lying and thieving the very reason that he threw her out...

Now even if for arguments sake I agree that Sunehri does deeply love Rehan, still my heart is not big enough to understand her position and feel for her heartache when she is willingly aiding in kidnapping/risking someone's life and ruining the lives of a couple so apparently and deeply in love...

As for would I judge less harshly if this was a guy,,,,,I feel that humans in general judge women less harshly when it comes to criminal behavior where else a guy would be judged more harshly for crimes...
If the question is about love, even then I would say that we would judge women less harshly because love and such finer emotions are more associated with women and we believe they understand such emotions better than men.
If the question is about promiscuity, then yes I do agree that we would judge a woman more harshly.

However here in the forum most of the posts and harsh judgements are about her criminal behavior more than anything else and how far, or rather how LOW she is willing to go for money.


lovely post.. totally agree with you
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan


Trina, I usually agree with you, but in this case I have to disagree! Suneheri is NOT like Billi! Billi was never shown to question her actions? She never thought of sparing anyone? She NEVER thought if what she was doing was wrong? She was basically a psychopath. She even told Zoya that she HERSELF caused the blindness in one eye?


She used to do insane things like set herself on fire and pretend to have an abusive husband, all to get sympathy? She used to try to kill people? She always thought only of herself and we NEVER saw her show empathy to anyone? But Suneheri started to make a connection with Rehan and the more she got to know him, the worse she felt about conning him, and in the end she didnt even do it?


But once she got rejected by him, she went back to her conning ways, coz she didnt see the point of changing? She felt disillusioned? I don't think people here UNDERSTAND why she is the way she is? She was alone from age 2, and she was brought up by a thief and a prostitute? WHY would she have such a grand conscience that she will always be feeling guilty about robbing someone?


Also, the other point is that she does feel bad when she sees that Aahil loves Sanam. IF she had no conscience, she would have launched that lantern with him, she would have slept in the same room with him, she would not have spent time thinking about how much Aahil loves Sanam and she wont have told Razia that she cant marry Aahil coz he loved SANAM? So I dont agree that Suneheri is just like Billi? She is NOTHING like her. Yes she wants money and she is selling her soul for it. But people have reasons for doing what they do? Even people who have a basic good nature can be currupted by their situation and their upbringing. Even the BEST people can be swayed into bad by keeping BAD company?


But everytime someone acts in a less than perfect way, especially a women, we cant just call her a "Heartless vamp" and close the topic. That is what I meant by women are judged harsher than men. We find imperfect behavior in a women a lot less palatable than in a man! This is a fact!


Even with Billi. I actually felt bad for her when she told Rehan that she was not able to be there for him, coz she was an unwed Mother and could not publicly acknowledge him! THAT part is true. But the rest of what she did is not worth sympathizing with! But for THAT part, I did feel sympathy for her. Because now that I am a Mother, I would know how much it would hurt, if I could not acknowledge by own child because I was unable to do so in front of society.


Billi is a VERY BAD women. But for that moment, I felt sympathy for her. I always wanted to know why she was the way she was? But it is Gul Khan's fault that she never gave us a proper back story? So how can we feel anything but disgust for this women? But we DO know Suneheri's back story, so we can feel some empathy for her situation, coz at a young age, she was left abandoned without parents to fend for herself. A child who used to have a loving family.


I dont agree with those that say that people are making excuses for her coz she is ASYA's daughter. On the contrary it is the people that expect her to have an elevated conscience are the one's that are expecting BETTER from her coz she is ASYA's daughter? If this was any old Vamp, would we be even having this discussion? A vamp is a vamp right? Did we question NIDA's motives? Did we say that SHE should have a conscience about Conning a close friend? Suneheri dosent even know these people? So why are we expecting so much better from a run of the mill VAMP, which is what people are saying she is? Contradictory isnt it?


ur last para ... u totally nailed it

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