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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: RandomSquared

i still dont get why asad should have to forgive rashid or have any kind of relationship with him. like why is everyone forcing him to like such a bad person?

rashid may be trying to "rectify" his mistakes by now living with both him wives (oh yes what a great idea rashid) but he has proven again that he can never be a good father. how easily he lets ayaan leave the house because its more important for him to live with his two wives then to even try to understand what all this might be like for ALL this children.

instead of taking time and countless conversations with asad and everyone about their decision rashid ambushed asad in his house and told him that he (the man who left him and his mother for all these years) has more right on dilshad than asad (the boy who stood by his mother all these years and suffered with her)

Zoya doesn't know how it feels because she doesn't know who her father is, she doesn't know what reason he had for leaving, she doesn't know if her father even knows where is is. I'm dying to see if Zoya forgives Gaffur after she finds out Gaffur knew Razia killed her mother and then the hid the murder and sent her to an orphanage. Rashid knew where Asad was all these years, he knew when they were suffering, but he still did nothing.

I dont get why a man like this needs to be forgiven by his children? So its okay? Everything that they went through? Everything that Shireen and her children are now going through is okay?

If these parents dont care about how their children feel then why should these kids have to suddenly become okay with something that is NOT okay. I would not be ok my father if she brought another wife into our house. I would not be ok with my mother if she married a man who already has a family. And I certainly would not forgive the father who left me and my father in the hands of poverty alone for 17 years. And I certainly would not want my mother to MOVE in with him and his wife in his wife's house.

Zoya needs to be a companion for Asad right now. Atleast give him some time to cry it out, does he not have the right to be sad about this? What is the point of being a partner if you wont allow the other person to feel the way they feel? Does Zoya not see the hurt behind Asad's hatred. Why do these people expect that hurt to just go away suddenly? Oh has Mr. Rashid taken that from him too??

PS Rashid never came back for Asad, he came for Dilshad.


My take too. Why does Asad need to forgive that spineless Slime ball.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: aksasya

Do u really think that zoya will forgive her abbu if she cum to knw abt his involvement in her ammi's death...?NO,NEVER...



Everyone is saying that Zoya can forgive because she wasn't present in the situation and Asad can't, but I think that it is Asad who can forgive and Zoya who can't. Zoya's mother was killed, she can never get her back and her father married someone else and has another daughter. Her dad also cheated on her mom and also killed her. Asad can at least get his once lost happiness back if he forgives and Rashid tries to change. Zoya can't. Even if she does forgive will she get her Ammi back? So why can't Asad forgive?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: MisHumptyDumpty

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No i dont expect Zoya to be THIS mature atm 😆 So i have kept my expectations very low 😆

Back to the post and Prov through Zoya, yes exactly what she would feel or something like a sort and try her best to justify Dilshad. 😕

Thats totally okay cause what she says now to Asad, would be a complete irony when her chance comes 😆

But Sadly the fact is Rashid doesn't deserves to be forgiven by anybody .

Mom tells me each day, Dilshad is not doing wrong to your Asad, he has his wife to take care of him.

i completely agree with it, 😆 Cause yes now at the end of her journey she feels yes i should forgive and forget and be with my husband after all, my love for him is more than anything else in this world.

But the fact doesnt change that you are judged by your past.

Rashid now wants to amend his mistakes.

So 1. He had killed a lady in the factory - Is he repenting for it? Did he surrender to the police or tell the police what the whole Gudiya Ghar thing was for?

2. He destroyed Asad and Najma's childhood - Is he repenting for it? Did he make any amends for it?

3. He was kept as a Slave by the Siddiques - Did he revolt?

We understand he wants to make up for the mistakes of past, but then did he redeem himself in front of the main person i.e. Asad yet? wasn't Asad his first priority ?

Sadly if Zoya ever will think , she do just the same as you wrote 😆

Poor Poor Poor Asad 😆



I agree with U.😳 Rashid is a shameless person. He doesnt deserve to be forgiven. At the beginning, i kinda wanted Asad and Dilshad to forgive him but now.. NO!He has shown how lowlife man he is.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: loveleen12



Everyone is saying that Zoya can forgive because she wasn't present in the situation and Asad can't, but I think that it is Asad who can forgive and Zoya who can't. Zoya's mother was killed, she can never get her back and her father married someone else and has another daughter. Her dad also cheated on her mom and also killed her. Asad can at least get his once lost happiness back if he forgives and Rashid tries to change. Zoya can't. Even if she does forgive will she get her Ammi back? So why can't Asad forgive?


are we really going to start measuring which parental betrayal was worse? Oh yes, Rashid didn't kill Dilshad that just makes him a saint now doesn't it?? is this really what it has come to?? Why? All because 17 years later Rashid decides to come back and take Dilshad to live with Shireen? How does that rectify his mistakes towards his children??? And the fact the he now let Ayaan leave the house bc having Dilshad is more important just proves that he has not learnt anything from his past experiences. He didn't care about his children then and he doesn't care about his children now.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: RandomSquared


are we really going to start measuring which parental betrayal was worse? Oh yes, Rashid didn't kill Dilshad that just makes him a saint now doesn't it?? is this really what it has come to?? Why? All because 17 years later Rashid decides to come back and take Dilshad to live with Shireen? How does that rectify his mistakes towards his children??? And the fact the he now let Ayaan leave the house bc having Dilshad is more important just proves that he has not learnt anything from his past experiences. He didn't care about his children then and he doesn't care about his children now.


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Posted: 11 years ago
#46
Ok I am wondering to all the wows that are going on here , how many wows came from mother's.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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SOUP. It is beautifully written. You are magical with words. The forum needs this POV too. I agree with this. All of it. Every WORD. You have said it. 🤗

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Forgiveness is given by the person who has been wronged, no one else has a say in it. It is their right only. Dilshaad will do what she will with her forgiveness, as her sole right. No one should judge Dilshaad for this. It is her prerogative. And she will do it her way. It is between her and Rashid.

What Asad does with his forgiveness or not is his business too, If he wants to or not, again it is his prerogative. And he should not be judged for this either.

These are personal relations, and it is between 2 people, they get to decide how they want to maintain it, if one is more giving than other, it is not for us to judge that either. It is between them and only them. If they are content and happy with it. Then let be so.

They are not wrong, and they are not right. They are just who they are. We all reserve the right to our opinions, we can agree or disagree.

I am on same page as Soup. 👍🏼

Edited by notagain - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: RandomSquared



are we really going to start measuring which parental betrayal was worse? Oh yes, Rashid didn't kill Dilshad that just makes him a saint now doesn't it?? is this really what it has come to?? Why? All because 17 years later Rashid decides to come back and take Dilshad to live with Shireen? How does that rectify his mistakes towards his children??? And the fact the he now let Ayaan leave the house bc having Dilshad is more important just proves that he has not learnt anything from his past experiences. He didn't care about his children then and he doesn't care about his children now.



That was not my point, I do not believe that everything can be ok now because Rashid took too long to repent for his mistakes. Rashid can't do the same to his other family now because that doesn't solve anything. Who said anything about Rashid being a saint, he is not , no one is, we all make intakes but we all deserveto be forgiven. My only point was that people can't say it is easier for Zoya to forgive because she hadn't witnessed anything. If Rashid had not gone back to Shireen or if he would have taken a stand a long time back, he could have returned his family's happiness to them but could Gaffur have done that? If Asad learns that Rashid was forced or blackmailed, he might even understand but after knowing the whole truth about her father, can Zoya do the same? So neither of the father's can be justified but do you really not understand that though Asad was left by his father, he had his mother's support, but Zoya didn't even have that and the only reason she didn't have her mother's support was because of her father.

Edited: I just wanted to clear the fact that I honestly believe that Rashid is a really weak and selfish person. He came backto Dilshad now solely for himself, and Asad is completely justified. If now he were to find out that he is okay, he would probably run back to Shireen. So I am not defending Rashid, but Zoya because I honestly don't understand why people think that Zoya doesn't understand because she does. I actually don't know how Zoya is going to respond to the situation, but from what I feel she should react like, I think that she just wants Asad to let go of his bottled up emotions because it only can hurt him. Atleasg that is what I feel. Unforgiveness is like taking poison yourself hoping that the other person will die.
Edited by loveleen12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I just want to say here that there are several sub issues involved, like always!
First there is the issue of the principle. Avoiding the repetition of Zoyas latter, what it boils down to is the final summation. Forgiveness is not deserved, it is given, no matter what. Soup and notagain have made that point effectively.

Second there is the issue of reality. There are those that think that Asad should forgive because he was forgiven. But they forget that he without expecting forgiveness went and apologized .. Repented ... For what he had done and tried his best to do the right thing.
...slap ... Apologogized unilaterally.
... Tanveer ... Apologized, made amends, tried to look for abbu, still is, and and and ... Never doubtedZoya even when she was in a compromising position with the runaway nikaah and the ayaan nursing.
The so called trade. This is one of those rabid ideas that went viral. Zoya always had a choice. May be no one asked her. But she has a mouth and she has a voice, and she could have used it then. Do you make choices only if someone asks you? She could have said ... I trust in our love Mr. Khan, but right now I do not trust your judgment of the situation. He apologized repeatedly and also tried many ways to get her out, until he hit upon the right way of doing so. And she went with him, not because she forgave him, but because she loved him. I speak of this NOT to flog this dead horse again, but to make a distinction between love and forgiveness.

All goes to say that when Asad realized his errors, he apologized, repented, tried to make amends and did not expect forgiveness in return... And he was forgiven. And he forgave too... Imraan, Ayaan, Zoya. Because they also repented, made amends. This is maybe not how it should have been, but it is what happened. That there was forgiveness, but after and only after apology and reparation.

The third issue is the logistics of forgiveness. How does one go about reparation? I think in this case Asad knows better than anyone else, because his reparation has been better executed than the rests collective efforts. Rashids little hiccup in the recent past is a cautionary tale... How NOT to do things. Here all the points everyone has made about Rashid and his relationship with his children come into play.

The fourth issue is love. Love, forgiveness, foolhardiness. Three different things altogether. You cannot control who you love. Hate is but the reverse side of the coin of love. Portia said ... Mercy is twice blessed. It blesseth him that gives and him that takes. You cannot blame Dilshad for loving Rashid. You cannot blame Asad for hating him. But as notagain and soup said, they can forgive, and there is merit in that always, because it will set them free, emotionally, spiritually. But, it is foolish to expect Asad to let his mother go willingly. It is blind of Dilshad to think that she must choose between her Ex-husband and her son, and not hope for a situation where she can be with both, iin a different way. Even if they both forgive him. And it would be foolish of Zoya not to see these very real problems.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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@olestfan
agree with u .
if dishad have right to forgive n live with rashid then asad also have right to hate n want his mom back in his life

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