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Posted: 11 years ago
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That's great news!! 😛
But 17yrs on and Rashid still does not know about the Gudiya factory raaz, so i don't have much hope for his off-springs to find this glitch anytime soon 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Good post.. yea the Nikah can be validated only if it is re performed. Its good that you made this post so that some things can be cleared.

i want to highlight one thing though, and its regarding Wali.

Wali is actually a mandatory aspect of Nikah except under special circumstances, and even an adult woman needs Wali for the Nikah to be performed according to Islamic sharia and for it to be valid.

Examples of circumstances where nikah is performed without it are -

1.when there is no father or a legal guardian to give Wali and the woman is alone.

2.in situations where a father or guardian refuses to give Wali but the woman wants to marry the person of her choice - here the matter is decided by the Qazi and court. if they feel that the father does not have a solid reason for not allowing the woman to marry that person and that the person seems to be a good person, court will then decide in favour of the couple and will allow the marriage to proceed.

Now another point about Wali is that, the father or guardian need not be present in the nikah ceremony to give it.. he can either sent his agreement through a letter or he can even say in front of two witnesses that he agree to that nikah and then the witness conveys the message.. or else in many places the court has a special form prepared for wali and the father signs it before nikah and it has to be submitted to court before the actual nikah function.

So in case of Najma's nikah Rashid could have signed that form before or could have given his agreement through a witness, since he is not against this nikah. perhaps it happened that way but they didn't show that part...

i just wish Cvs show these things more clearly because all this is causing a lot of confusion among viewers regarding Muslim marriage etc.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Zoya does not have proof that her father's name is incorrect ...that's why she is going through this ...

My only hope is GaZia ...that couple will make all the efforts to re-unite AsYa ...that's why Gaffur will change marriage certificate to contract one so that it can be terminated after Nikhat's marriage ..

Its Gazia who separated the family, now they will unknowingly re-unite them ..

Also, Zoya entering SM as somebody other than Gaffur's daughter will also give them the chance to understand her ...they will start liking her at the end and when Gaffur's truth will be out, there will be chance of acceptance ...

Imagine, Gaffur-Zoya connection was out during Eid...Asad and Gaffur both would have rejected her ...even Dilshad would have been shocked and rejected her ...now Zoya will spend some time with this family which will make everybody understand that how pure she is at heart (yes sometime she is emotionally dumb) and her clothes do not define her character ...now even if Ayaan falls for her, nobody would support Ayaan... Shirin is indebted for life by Asad...she will never curse him ...and Razia will not provoke her now ...because Shirin has acted way too dumb and selfish, she did not even think of Humeira ...

Another point is - whatever Asad says the destiny does other way ... He said -

  1. Hamare beech koi nahi aa sakta, Kismat bhi nahi - what happened ??
  2. Kal sab kucch thik ho jayega - kya hua, sab gadbad hui, including Nazma's marriage
  3. aaj ye haath pakadunga to zindagi bhar nahi chodunga - he had to leave her in SM the same day as his brother's dulhan
  4. Zoya apne sahi jagah par hain, apne Shauhar ke saath - vo nahi hain, uske sahi shauhar tum ho and aur uski sahi jagah tumhare pass hain ...

I am chanting GaZia all the time ...I hope they will set everything correct ...

Still I will not watch QH everyday because my AsYa, KaBhi and Bunty and Chintu are lost ...

I will watch couple of times in a week which will make TRPs also fall a bit and ZoYaan will be wrapped up fast ...

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: kaussar


Good post.. yea the Nikah can be validated only if it is re performed. Its good that you made this post so that some things can be cleared.

i want to highlight one thing though, and its regarding Wali.

Wali is actually a mandatory aspect of Nikah except under special circumstances, and even an adult woman needs Wali for the Nikah to be performed according to Islamic sharia and for it to be valid.

Examples of circumstances where nikah is performed without it are -

1.when there is no father or a legal guardian to give Wali and the woman is alone.

2.in situations where a father or guardian refuses to give Wali but the woman wants to marry the person of her choice - here the matter is decided by the Qazi and court. if they feel that the father does not have a solid reason for not allowing the woman to marry that person and that the person seems to be a good person, court will then decide in favour of the couple and will allow the marriage to proceed.

Now another point about Wali is that, the father or guardian need not be present in the nikah ceremony to give it.. he can either sent his agreement through a letter or he can even say in front of two witnesses that he agree to that nikah and then the witness conveys the message.. or else in many places the court has a special form prepared for wali and the father signs it before nikah and it has to be submitted to court before the actual nikah function.

So in case of Najma's nikah Rashid could have signed that form before or could have given his agreement through a witness, since he is not against this nikah. perhaps it happened that way but they didn't show that part...

i just wish Cvs show these things more clearly because all this is causing a lot of confusion among viewers regarding Muslim marriage etc.


Thanks for explaining in detail Kaussar :)

Can you also explain what they showed in today's segments. Apparently they sign a talaaknaama too but if the marriage is not valid in the first place then how come they signed the divorce papers 😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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if Qazi has to perform the nikaah again means he will have to ask Zoya whether she accepts the groom or not.. at that time why will Zoya not object to the name Mohammed Fareed??

Edited by Annu.. - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: s120


Thanks for explaining in detail Kaussar :)

Can you also explain what they showed in today's segments. Apparently they sign a talaaknaama too but if the marriage is not valid in the first place then how come they signed the divorce papers 😕



Shreya its difficult to explain today's thing.. may be after the actual segment airs we might get a clear picture.

first question is why would a talaknama be there along with the nikahnama?.. ideally it shouldn't . so perhaps its going as per spoilers which says that maamu will make it a contract marriage.. and so perhaps he is the one who put talaknama papers along with nikahnama and made them sign it unknowingly so that he is reassured that talak happens.

now, your question is why a talaknama when nikah is not valid? again here, the Qazi's are assuming its valid and so is mamu and others.. so obviously they would prepare a talaknama as well if they want the nikah to end ultimately.

i guess Cvs will not clear anything this soon and will keep it more confused till the time when they want to end this track and its only then they will bring out the issue of validty..

and i guess the issue of Zoya's last name also will not be cleared now.. did Zoya or anyone read the name written on it properly? and was it written Zoya Fareed or farouqi?.. did they show papers clearly?.( i haven't seen SBS/SBB. read WU only). if its written Zoya farouqi , its a big blooper.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: kaussar



Shreya its difficult to explain today's thing.. may be after the actual segment airs we might get a clear picture.

first question is why would a talaknama be there along with the nikahnama?.. ideally it shouldn't . so perhaps its going as per spoilers which says that maamu will make it a contract marriage.. and so perhaps he is the one who put talaknama papers along with nikahnama and made them sign it unknowingly so that he is reassured that talak happens.

now, your question is why a talaknama when nikah is not valid? again here, the Qazi's are assuming its valid and so is mamu and others.. so obviously they would prepare a talaknama as well if they want the nikah to end ultimately.

i guess Cvs will not clear anything this soon and will keep it more confused till the time when they want to end this track and its only then they will bring out the issue of validty..

and i guess the issue of Zoya's last name also will not be cleared now.. did Zoya or anyone read the name written on it properly? and was it written Zoya Fareed or farouqi?.. did they show papers clearly?.( i haven't seen SBS/SBB. read WU only). if its written Zoya farouqi , its a big blooper.


Thanks Kaussar 😃

I also haven't seen the segments but from what I heard is that she signs as Zoya Farooqi 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Annu..

if Qazi has to perform the nikaah again means he will have to ask Zoya whether she accepts the groom or not.. at that time why will Zoya not object to the name Mohammed Fareed??


The Qazi's will never perform the whole Nikah with sermons and all again because it would mean that they are accepting that the Nikah was invalid in the first place. They would never accept their fault.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: s120


Thanks Kaussar 😃

I also haven't seen the segments but from what I heard is that she signs as Zoya Farooqi 😆


yea she would definitely sign it as Zoya Farouqi.. but i want to know what the Qazi's have written when the prepared the Nikahnama.. whether its written Zoya Fareed which it should be... names also will be written.. not only the signature will be there.😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: kaussar


Good post.. yea the Nikah can be validated only if it is re performed. Its good that you made this post so that some things can be cleared.

i want to highlight one thing though, and its regarding Wali.

Wali is actually a mandatory aspect of Nikah except under special circumstances, and even an adult woman needs Wali for the Nikah to be performed according to Islamic sharia and for it to be valid.

Examples of circumstances where nikah is performed without it are -

1.when there is no father or a legal guardian to give Wali and the woman is alone.

2.in situations where a father or guardian refuses to give Wali but the woman wants to marry the person of her choice - here the matter is decided by the Qazi and court. if they feel that the father does not have a solid reason for not allowing the woman to marry that person and that the person seems to be a good person, court will then decide in favour of the couple and will allow the marriage to proceed.

Now another point about Wali is that, the father or guardian need not be present in the nikah ceremony to give it.. he can either sent his agreement through a letter or he can even say in front of two witnesses that he agree to that nikah and then the witness conveys the message.. or else in many places the court has a special form prepared for wali and the father signs it before nikah and it has to be submitted to court before the actual nikah function.

So in case of Najma's nikah Rashid could have signed that form before or could have given his agreement through a witness, since he is not against this nikah. perhaps it happened that way but they didn't show that part...

i just wish Cvs show these things more clearly because all this is causing a lot of confusion among viewers regarding Muslim marriage etc.


Thanks for giving the details. My mother just said an adult and independent woman so I didn't know all this detail myself.
I think they'll clear the bit about ZoyAan's nikah when they want to end this track. I hope it happens soon.

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