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Posted: 11 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: starsinmyeyes



The point is Ranji...that the audience is smart enough to not look for a social message in a serial...I watch it for good chemistry and story...I do not watch QH to tell me that it's wrong to judge people on clothes. ..there is no message in it...it's a fictional drama...which at least I watch for pure entertainment. ..QH is too tiny a platform to show something like this...it's inconsequential. .and my problem with this track is not the so called message...it's the fact that it is hampering the main narrative...and I am not liking it



I agree but then Gul should refrain from doing it all together. Because this is half-baked and silly.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: starsinmyeyes


The point is Ranji...that the audience is smart enough to not look for a social message in a serial...I watch it for good chemistry and story...I do not watch QH to tell me that it's wrong to judge people on clothes. ..there is no message in it...it's a fictional drama...which at least I watch for pure entertainment. ..QH is too tiny a platform to show something like this...it's inconsequential. .and my problem with this track is not the so called message...it's the fact that it is hampering the main narrative...and I am not liking it

Agreed..People wouldn't change their attitude or perspective merely because Asad realized its wrong to judge people on their clothes😆 I don expect shows to give out a good message..But is it wrong to atleast hope that they don give out a wrong one or end up justifying something which is totally irresponsible and reckless? Thats one reason why i hate it when shows romanticize violence..I know its entertainment but its impossible for me to digest a show which justifies wrong as right all in the name of intensity and chemistry😆 Coming back to the topic, i don expect QH to give out a message.I watch it entertainment as well..But now that they have taken it upon themselves to show something, atleast make sure you do it properly..I guess thats what Pri is trying to say and i totally agree..Oh and i totally get your point too..This track is not doing anything to the story😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: studentofdayear



again a very good come back


An attempt at sarcasm very impressive
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Posted: 11 years ago
#84
Delena90, I have gone through a lot of posts of yours and you always made sense, this post also makes a lot of sense but I have a slight difference of opinion. I totally get what you mean and you are right there, unfortunately in the real world in a country like India a woman need to think twice before she takes any step in her life, so your concern about sending out the message is right.
My difference of opinion is that, asking a woman to be careful and to avoid going out alone is as good as saying a woman not to wear 'provocative' dresses inorder to not get sexually harassed. Do you agree with the point that a woman should be careful in what she wears? if yes then I am okay with whatever you wrote in this post.
I felt that the writers wanted to send a message that a woman need to have all the freedom equally as men have, her freedom and desires shouldn't be suppressed just because one thing ie, she is a woman.
If a man wanted to go out in the mid night on on strike day in a forested road, he would go without any fear, then why not a woman? isn't that gender discrimination? for me it is. Unfortunately the writers failed to convey it in a better way, it would be better if she had gone out to watch cricket rather than Mr.Dhoni, it would be better if she or Dilshad had spoken patiently with Asad rather than making it a stupid ego clash(which once again was not conveyed properly), it would be better if she had spoken the words similar to those which she is going to speak while slapping that creep, while explaining Asad.
I find fault in only 2 things, 1) the reason to go out is a celebrity which is a bad passion.
2) the bad very bad screenplay and dialogues.

I am totally fine with the idea of Zoya going out alone on the strike day, because there is a need of a atmosphere where a woman need not worry to go out in any time of the day, any corner of the world. These small small advises that woman need to be smart and careful not to be alone are actually restrictions which we fail to understand, these unnoticed restrictions grow and slowly become a pile of restrictions which we willingly accept because we convince ourselves that being a woman it is my responsibility.
Just imagine if Zoya wasn't as rich as she is now, didn't have a fiance like Asad who owns a car, and her mother was seriously ill and had to take medication, but there is a strike, no trace of humans on the road and it's midnight, a stranger offers her lift, what would you suggest her to do? Sit at home as it is not advisable for a woman to go out in such situation??
There are all chances of her getting raped there, because the rapist doesn't know whether her mother is sick so she is out or she has come to meet a celebrity so she is out, all he knows is if a woman is walking alone in the midnight she is not careful enough and I have all the rights to rape her as she herself is inviting it on her!
That's why I am against the idea of such 'advises' to women not to do this and do that, because men take advantage of that, we women ourselves make them believe that you can do anything if I am not following such and such code of conduct. Men need to be thought that woman should be respected without any restrictions and conditions.
Hope you get my point. Nothing to offend you, this is just what I feel and believe.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: rogerrocks


Agreed..People wouldn't change their attitude or perspective merely because Asad realized its wrong to judge people on their clothes😆I don expect shows to give out a good message..But is it wrong to atleast hope that they don give out a wrong one or end up justifying something which is totally irresponsible and reckless? Thats one reason why i hate it when shows romanticize violence..I know its entertainment but its impossible for me to digest a show which justifies wrong as right all in the name of intensity and chemistry😆Coming back to the topic, i don expect QH to give out a message.I watch it entertainment as well..But now that they have taken it upon themselves to show something, atleast make sure you do it properly..I guess thats what Pri is trying to say and i totally agree..Oh and i totally get your point too..This track is not doing anything to the story😆



Exactly what I am trying to say!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Though I would not typically describe myself as a nihilist, I have given up all hope that any decent morals have emerged unscathed from the clumsy hands of last-minute storylines.

Bravo for getting this message across to Forum32. 👏

Now the real question. What is with the cretins on your posts? Some sort of domino effect it seems.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#87

Originally posted by: misst

Delena90, I have gone through a lot of posts of yours and you always made sense, this post also makes a lot of sense but I have a slight difference of opinion. I totally get what you mean and you are right there, unfortunately in the real world in a country like India a woman need to think twice before she takes any step in her life, so your concern about sending out the message is right.

My difference of opinion is that, asking a woman to be careful and to avoid going out alone is as good as saying a woman not to wear 'provocative' dresses inorder to not get sexually harassed. Do you agree with the point that a woman should be careful in what she wears? if yes then I am okay with whatever you wrote in this post.
I felt that the writers wanted to send a message that a woman need to have all the freedom equally as men have, her freedom and desires shouldn't be suppressed just because one thing ie, she is a woman.
If a man wanted to go out in the mid night on on strike day in a forested road, he would go without any fear, then why not a woman? isn't that gender discrimination? for me it is. Unfortunately the writers failed to convey it in a better way, it would be better if she had gone out to watch cricket rather than Mr.Dhoni, it would be better if she or Dilshad had spoken patiently with Asad rather than making it a stupid ego clash(which once again was not conveyed properly), it would be better if she had spoken the words similar to those which she is going to speak while slapping that creep, while explaining Asad.
I find fault in only 2 things, 1) the reason to go out is a celebrity which is a bad passion.
2) the bad very bad screenplay and dialogues.

I am totally fine with the idea of Zoya going out alone on the strike day, because there is a need of a atmosphere where a woman need not worry to go out in any time of the day, any corner of the world. These small small advises that woman need to be smart and careful not to be alone are actually restrictions which we fail to understand, these unnoticed restrictions grow and slowly become a pile of restrictions which we willingly accept because we convince ourselves that being a woman it is my responsibility.
Just imagine if Zoya wasn't as rich as she is now, didn't have a fiance like Asad who owns a car, and her mother was seriously ill and had to take medication, but there is a strike, no trace of humans on the road and it's midnight, a stranger offers her lift, what would you suggest her to do? Sit at home as it is not advisable for a woman to go out in such situation??
There are all chances of her getting raped there, because the rapist doesn't know whether her mother is sick so she is out or she has come to meet a celebrity so she is out, all he knows is if a woman is walking alone in the midnight she is not careful enough and I have all the rights to rape her as she herself is inviting it on her!
That's why I am against the idea of such 'advises' to women not to do this and do that, because men take advantage of that, we women ourselves make them believe that you can do anything if I am not following such and such code of conduct. Men need to be thought that woman should be respected without any restrictions and conditions.
Hope you get my point. Nothing to offend you, this is just what I feel and believe.



In an ideal world you are absolutely right. Unfortunately that is not India. I have no issues with clothes but would I wear what I wore in Europe in India? - no. Simple as that.

Point is it is not about obstructing ones freedom but its about choosing when to exert it. This is not about woman's rights it's about knowing how to asses a situation independently and responsibly. As I said a man would have been equally wrong had he done this because he too can get raped/mugged/kidnapped or worse.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#88

Originally posted by: -Jazzy-

Though I would not typically describe myself as a nihilist, I have given up all hope that any decent morals have emerged unscathed from the clumsy hands of last-minute storylines.

Bravo for getting this message across to Forum32. 👏

Now the real question. What is with the cretins on your posts? Some sort of domino effect it seems.



I think I attract posters with sub-zero intellect 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Brilliant. Just brilliant. The content is bang on. Giving a social message is impactful when you sympathise with the victim. And sorry but I have zero sympathies for this super woman here. What's her problem? Why is she becoming so annoying? Someone hits on you, you can't help it but you can definitely help ensuring your way back home and avoiding the embarrassment at the first place. What's worse is her not accepting her fault.. I don't wanna support a cause when I feel the girl here is wrong hence even though the intention was good, the purpose fails to be served.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: delena90




This is a sordid and perverse world. We can't control other people's reactions and actions but we can control ours so whether she was scared or not doesn't negate the fact that she was wrong.

FYI, had Asad done something similar he would have been wrong too.


God, Delena,😆

Who said Zoya was right?😳

She was wrong - she admitted it- she apologised to the extent of confessing TO HIM that she was scared...that is a big thing for a girl like Zoya...to be able to confess she was afraid...after that, there is no point in him going back to the same issue again.

(She took some time to apologise only because of Mr. Khan's seemingly authoritative tone- HE CROSSED A LINE THERE TOO- )

It was buried..she admitted her mistake-he said OK- apologised for HIS RUDE BEHAVIOUR- no point in him going back and dissecting it further...that was all I was saying.😊 (I am not speaking for Zoya or Asad...they were both wrong in the way the situation was dealt-- Zoya more than Asad- that is WHY SHE APOLOGISED FIRST!)

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