Hindustani Vs Hindu: Gul???? - Page 8

Originally posted by: sujataraje

post is informative and very technical no doubt...

but i dont think hindi has another form that i called hindustani...and this was not from aunty..it came from nikhat is educated girl...may be origin of word Hindustan came from aryan residing in sindhu area...because they were the ones who came there first..one Hindustan represent india... not any particular part of india..that is north...it originated as you mentioned. but it evolved in its meaning and then started representing whole india or republic of india...in modern time actually aince medievel times..its is considered as republic of india...and it does not have anything to do only hindu,north india or hindi.

Originally posted by: starsinmyeyes

yeah..but people of north india are still hindustanis...they also speak hindustani...she never referred to her as an Indian...Hindustani was used to refer North India...that's all that I am trying to say..plus we never named our country Hindustan..Persians did..because our ancestors lived on the other side of Indus

Originally posted by: sujataraje

The Republic of India has three principal short names, in both official and popular English usage, each of which is historically significant. All three originally designated a single entity comprising all the modern nations of theIndian subcontinent. These names are India, Bharat and Hindustan. The first Article of the Constitution of India states that "India, that is Bharat, shall be a union of states." Thus, India and Bharat are equally official short names for the Republic of India, while "Hindustan" is still widely used as an alternative name when Indians speak amongst themselves. "Hindustan" is also used in historical contexts (especially British India). Indians commonly refer to their country asBharat, Hindustan or India depending on the context and language of conversation. India is also known as Aryavarta (Sanskrit: ?????????, "abode of the Aryans").

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Sujata,

Weare all non- muslims here pointing fingers at a muslim woman's choice of words...

Frankly, for all you know, in their religion and locality, hindustani refers to hindu...just like in Mughal times- hindustani meant Rajput...I thinmk..

And when you say Rajasthani- the pic I have in my mind is of a hindu Rajasthani and not Muslim...I hope you understand what I mean...HIndustani- it is so archaic and insecular sounding even for an educated woman like me...

I will not crucify the PH for the choice of that word...I suspect that is exactly how the particular community refers to hindus...if Nikhat was explaining to her friend, she'd have said hindu, since it was an illiterate aunt, she spoke in her language.😊

Originally posted by: sujataraje

no way people from north india speak hindustani...I have never heard of this language.. i am very much north indian...we never call ourselves aa hindutani just because we live in north india ..we call ourselves hindustani because we are indians...

many songs used hidustan word to represent india not north india...

and in north we soeak so many languages not just hindi...

Originally posted by: sujataraje

no way people from north india speak hindustani...I have never heard of this language.. i am very much north indian...we never call ourselves aa hindutani just because we live in north india ..we call ourselves hindustani because we are indians...

many songs used hidustan word to represent india not north india...

and in north we soeak so many languages not just hindi...

Originally posted by: starsinmyeyes

Agree with you...but i would still say that Bharat is the more appropriate name...because Hindustan was not coined by our ancestors...it was coined by foreign forces to denote the inhabitants of the land across Indus...Hindustan is for sure used to refer to India popularly...But Hindustani is used to refer to a lot of things: including an Indian, a resident of Hindavi or north India or a language...

Originally posted by: sujataraje

i understand your point of view..

but its not only muslims who are pointing at fingers on this usage of word...i am also doing the same because to me it is not acceptable..even my husband found it very offensive when he heard it...world originated from sindhu word because aryans came first there...and over time it changed its meaning and became most general world to represent india...

north indian dont mean hindu only neither Hindustan does...we should not only go for origin rather we should see what does it mean in modern times...and since medieval times Hindustan has been referring india in general...

Originally posted by: chicksoup

So, do you call yourselves hindustani?

Even the muslims and christians in your place?

For me, even when I know the origin of the word and the difference in hindustani and hindu...I would never asociat a mulim with a hindustani.

For eg, if I were to visit N.India and was shown a muslim bride referred to as a hindustani bride, I would wonder why they had to call her a hindustani bride...

Originally posted by: sujataraje

i agree that it should be called bharat..but usingHindustani word was inappropriate...and even if we take your POV,one can not represent north indian women in the same look what rajini was carrying...we have different part of north india and everyone has their own style of clothing...