Hindustani Vs Hindu: Gul???? - Page 9

Originally posted by: kankabhor

Whatt?? Yes all Muslims, Hindu, Christians, Budhhas living in India are Hindustani aka Indians.. Hindustani means Indian,..It does not mean any religion.. India is secular country..And its offensive to call Hindu bride as Hindustani..Yes Muslim bride living in India is Hindustani too..

Originally posted by: starsinmyeyes

well if u haven't heard that there is a dialect called Hindustani which is a purer form of Hindi...i can tell u it exists...and until half an hour back even i did not know that Hindustanis (apart from Indians is also used to denote the people residing in the Hindavi Belt)...its a lesser known fact...but that does not mean its wrong...rather than jumping the gun.. i prefer facts..secondly, whichever patriotic song uses Hindustan good for them...i prefer to call my country by a name given by my ancestors than one given by foreign forces...

When did i say north indians speak only hindi...hindi, hindustani are just a couple of languages in the rich culture there...just because i do not know about something..it does not falsify its existence...

Originally posted by: starsinmyeyes

your reply is your answer sujata...Rajini is not the stereotype north indian..she adorns one of the looks...now nikhat cannot go dissecting that which look she represents right...she is playing a hindustani bahu..that much justification suffices..which part of Hindustan (here i use it as the Hindavi Belt area) she belongs to is immaterial...she is dressed like one of the looks that is popular in north india...

Originally posted by: chicksoup

So, do you call yourselves hindustani?

Even the muslims and christians in your place?

For me, even when I know the origin of the word and the difference in hindustani and hindu...I would never asociat a mulim with a hindustani.

For eg, if I were to visit N.India and was shown a muslim bride referred to as a hindustani bride, I would wonder why they had to call her a hindustani bride...

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Actually, I feel that is a pretty decent explanation too. You did it beautifully without dragging religion in to it.👏

Adding from one of my replies...

In those medieval times, Hindustan had only hindus...

I still feel it is a common misconception and popularly used archaic word in that particular community. We are not used to it, they are...

I fel when we choose to dissect something like this, it is important to know the popular usage...what we perceive to be abominable, might be a very innocent term for them...

Like two words in the same language can have respectful and disrespectful meanings in the opposite ends of a state...I hope it is understood.

Originally posted by: sujataraje

why are you taking me wrong dear...

i said hindustani is most general use of word instead india...

i believe you can not only one religion's bride as indian bride...

and yes i come from a city which is 50% population of muslims...its name is a urdu word and it does not mean all people will be called muslims..

and i doubt everyone is that much educated to call themselves illiterate...bharat is again type of shudhh hindi..Hindustan is general word which is used by mass..we can argue over its origin and its meaning and its inappropriateness but it wont change the fact that its general word that people use...

when i said about Hindustani it was not to mean that we only call ourselves Hindustani..but to tell the fact that no hindu north indian is called Hindustani just because they live in that part of india and belongto some particular religion...

anyways i think we both are right at our places..may be i am not i intelligent and informative enough to understand your point of view...

Originally posted by: sujataraje

i am not saying that i know everything...i am talking about my experience and knowledge...i am not omniscient ...who knows everything...i am not saying whatever you told about fact that is wrong...but things evolve with time..their meaning changes...thats all what i am saying...but if i have to believe that Hindustan can be used to denote only north indian though i admit Bharat is more appropriate word.but it does not mean...in show when they showed that scene that told this dialogue they meant north indian...everything does not lies in facts and science...general views are also more important..as cow is just an animal and ganga is just a river and india is just a country.,but we call them mothers...fact,science cN not justify this..only general view do...but then you can not say india is not mother for all indians just because india is a mere country and a piece of earth..

and we can not just take the primitve part of anything..we have to take whole history of anything to make sense out of it..

but thnks for sharing info.

Originally posted by: starsinmyeyes

well if u haven't heard that there is a dialect called Hindustani which is a purer form of Hindi...i can tell u it exists...and until half an hour back even i did not know that Hindustanis (apart from Indians is also used to denote the people residing in the Hindavi Belt)...its a lesser known fact...but that does not mean its wrong...rather than jumping the gun.. i prefer facts..secondly, whichever patriotic song uses Hindustan good for them...i prefer to call my country by a name given by my ancestors than one given by foreign forces...

When did i say north indians speak only hindi...hindi, hindustani are just a couple of languages in the rich culture there...just because i do not know about something..it does not falsify its existence...