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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: chandaursitare



That is exactly why I find it disturbing too. Ms. Gul shows this kind of abuse and falling in "love" constantly and the fact that she has shown it in so many just makes us as a society more complicit in it. Sometimes I really wonder who writes these stories because abusing a girl and then forcing her to marry you is not love. Not at all.

in one of her interviews Ms Gul had said that she loves Mills and boons and that she gets her inspiration from there. she likes Mills and Boons and her heroes are just lime them...ruthless, insulting. She has time and again proclaimed that all her creations have been her baby. It looks like its her concept. I have no idea about the writers but it looks as if they are all in the mind set of the prehistoric era. In this world it's dilutional to think a insulted and abused woman will fall in love or even marry the person. Just the mere thought of it is suffocating.

The comment about the NRi's is really condescending...I have complained in 4lions forum32 too. If you have a FB account try to voice your opinion there too. It's important that we let them know what we like and don't like.

What should I call you? I am Priyanka.
Edited by Rupunzale - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: AshRun

Reserved lol I will be right back to reply properly. Great and much needed post!!

Ok so being an NRI, I feel really irritated and offended when he generalizes and says that ALL girls who were born and raised in the west have no regard for cultural traditions.I was born and raised in America, but I went to school in India for 4 years, and you might think I am bragging, but honestly, I am a LOT more cultured than some of my classmates were in India.I respect and follow the cultural and religious customs that they used to ridicule themselves and not follow.
Showing Asad to be religious and conservative is different thing, but he doesn't have the right to make assumptions about people especially since the Khans have not been shown to have any relatives from America. It's one thing if he has had interactions with like 100 NRI girls who betrayed him and gave him that impression, but just speaking whatever the hell he speaks like is dumb. You're right, in real life girls don't get saved like that.They are scarred for life, I can say that because I've been abused,not raped but I know the feeling of being taken for granted by idiotic men. As for Gul, history is repeating itself!! It's okay for her to show the girl getting abused and then loved by the same man in all 3 of her shows.So I guess that's her style of presenting love stories. My idea of a love story is completely different, but I do enjoy her stories in the beginning. However, she over does it during the phase when the guy and girl don't get along. The girl quietly endures evrything while the guy insults her either for being poor (yes, believe it or not) or for being uncultured and mannerless in this case.


In my eyes the highlighted red part is the issue with Asad. Its the mentality that girls who wear jeans or short clothes, who are modern, are not cultural, or are not religious are character less. That is the issue with Asad. Just because someone ridiculed and did not follow their religion does not mean they are bad people. Hinduism fascinates me but only as mythology, I cannot in my right mind truly believe it as a fact. And I have sometimes ridiculed some of things about Christianity, roman mythology and even hindiusm, but that doesnt mean anything. Being religious and cultural does not somehow automatically give someone a higher ground than someone who isnt.


Anyways, I grew up in Mumbai...lived there for 12 years. I liked playing holi and diwali and I sometimes went to poojas but that was the extent of my culture/ religion. So when I moved to America the fact that there was so much less indian culture around me just influenced me to become less and less cultural/religious. And now I find that I am not very traditional and certainly not religious (that isnt all my fault though..my parents never made me participate in anything religious or cultural if I didnt want to). I also wear shorts/tank tops etc etc, but all that doesnt make me "loose" or character less. I still have my principles, my own morals. Thats what disgusting men like Asad never understand... that women who are not religious can have even more dignity, morals, and self-respect than the so called adharsh girl who is cultural and religious, who never speaks in front of elders or raises her voice. Btw, I know many girls here who claim to be religious (deeply) and cultural yet they go out and drink and hook up with men and do drugs as well. And I dont judge them for their lifestyles...they can live their life exactly the way they see fit. The only thing that I dont like is the hypocrisy. Be what you are (if you arent religious then why pretend?) And anyways if culture and religion mean such things to these girls, then who is Asad to say that a noncultural woman like me is without tehzeeb, while these girls do have tehzeeb? Who on earth made him the judge???
And I agree Zoya is a bit crazy. I would never behave the way she has that too in someone else's house, but Asad still had no right to set up a meeting. Firstly, he pried into his guests personal life and also he pried into his employee's life. An employer's job is not to regulate his employee's personal life...its to monitor his employee's work.
Bringing up Zoya's parents...that was awful. I was truly disgusted at that moment because I thought well what about your parents...how did your mother raise you Asad. Did she raise you to speak to women like that, to judge women like that, to call women degrading names??

The problem with Asad is that he has no tehzeeb which he keeps spouting to Zoya all the time like a broken record. If I was a guest in a man like Asad's house then I would leave that instant and never return. My pride would never allow me to remain in such a man's house who has insulted me so deeply. I would rather live in a third class hotel. Heck, I have broken friendships for less. So Asad's behavior is absolutely unforgivable in my eyes.
What baffles me is that Asad has such an elegant, well rounded, understanding, kind mother. How could he end up the way he did? Regressive, backward, control freak??
And yes he is regressive. I tried giving the character Asad a lot of time because I have been feeling like this since the beginning, but IF members said give him time. And now its been what 1 or 2 months and my opinion has just worsened.
Edited by ---Nisha--- - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Great post Priyanka. I am Namz. I too find Asad's behaviour towards Zoya coz of her being an NRI quite insulting. I have never set foot in India, I speak perfect Hindi, have my morals and cultural and religious values. I wear western and Indian clothes and I am Canadian, so in the eyes of men like Asad, that makes me cheap?? Its kinda hard to digest. Insulting her parents is a big No No...I know Zoya can be really annoying but come one, she has never insulted his mom, his upbringing. She is a free spirit, I would retaliate too if someone tried to put a curfew on me. If someone insulted my parents I probably would rip them to shred with words. Since its a fictional show, I am giving Asad a chance to redeem himself and apologize sincerely to Zoya. Ayaan is really bad, he flirts with women and all yet Asad is only judgemental towards Zoya...that's such an oxymoron!!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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he siad zoya all that becoz of her behaviour she is alwasy fighting with guys n thinking she will do it but at the end she gets in trouble she makes his siter to lie to him that sister for whom he did soo much n who never lied to him so what u expect he will respect her n her behaviour her untidy nature this all is irritating sometimes to viewers also so what u expect
n now akram n zoya i agree he should listen to her u can't take decision like this but he knows akram n he thinks he is nice guy n zoya always make decision without thinking
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Fantastic analyzing...there are flaws in both the characters and they are being highlighted for TRP's
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Posted: 12 years ago
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You can call me Chand. It's nice to meet you. 😊 Personally never read Mills and Boon and I do not mind her inspiration, but only the mindset her male characters have. Somehow she expects the viewers to understand the men just because of their past, but then what about the women? She portrays this idea on screen that nobody should care about them because it is all about the guy and his past suffering. He has no right to try to demean Zoya because he knows nothing about her or her life.

Nisha, I whole heartedly agree. How she can possibly live in that house is beyond me. You can take an insult once, even twice, but he does it every chance he gets. She can still meet her aunt without having to live with them. It would be really nice for once to have Zoya call him out without him shoving his views down people's throats because it is his house and he is the man.. and it is ok for Ayaan because he is a guy and you know "boys will be boys." Only thing we can control are women.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: chandaursitare

You can call me Chand. It's nice to meet you. 😊 Personally never read Mills and Boon and I do not mind her inspiration, but only the mindset her male characters have. Somehow she expects the viewers to understand the men just because of their past, but then what about the women? She portrays this idea on screen that nobody should care about them because it is all about the guy and his past suffering. He has no right to try to demean Zoya because he knows nothing about her or her life.

Nisha, I whole heartedly agree. How she can possibly live in that house is beyond me. You can take an insult once, even twice, but he does it every chance he gets. She can still meet her aunt without having to live with them. It would be really nice for once to have Zoya call him out without him shoving his views down people's throats because it is his house and he is the man.. and it is ok for Ayaan because he is a guy and you know "boys will be boys." Only thing we can control are women.


actually i love to read. Any chance i get and i will be buried in a book. I admit I have read some harlequin (which are exactly like mills and boons) novels as well but not that many. The heroes in those novel are not as bad as Gul's makes them out to be. Yes they are rich, and sometimes condescending but they have manners and basic civility, and even though many of the harlequin heroes are greek (greeks are portrayed as orthodox)...they are still modern. So this is a new thing. Arnav from IPK was a new thing as well because harlequin/ M&B novels are for a quick read...its short and simple and it leaves you with a awwhhh feeling. Doesnt make you cringe in the end. And the women have a spine in the ones I have read...or atleast try to stand up.

And definitely agree about Ayaan. What the hell is that? Okay for my little brother because he is a man and can do whatever he wants.And its not like Asad doesnt know about his brother...he does. He can flirt with whoever he wants but Zoya is a cheap woman because she wears western clothes and hangs out with guys, and has modern thoughts.

Zoya is exactly like Ayaan (well almost), but she is the female version. Mr. Asad Khan loves the male version, but despises the female version.
The hypocrisy is blatantly obvious in the way he treats the male and female counterparts. Do I need to make it any more clear than that.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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wow.looks like it is asad bashing day.you have plenty of grouses against the show.i do too.but you forget one thing. its a fictional show.nobody is like that (maybe, a little bit) in real life.does any guest in your house behave like zoya and would you tolerate it?nobody behaves like asad either.so you have to understsnd that characters are not going to behave the way you want them to.also indian shows are made for indian audiences, so they will be made according to indian tastes.and if you think that the main male lead is below contempt.,you know what you can do.the simplest thing in the world.dont watch it.i do not watch shows to give me gyaan.i watch them for entertainment.i admit that the show is very typical,but frankly i am a ksg fan and am wtching the show only for him.but if you truly dont agree with the premise of the show,stop watching it.no offense meant to you because i dont know you personally.take care.😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: simran45

he siad zoya all that becoz of her behaviour she is alwasy fighting with guys n thinking she will do it but at the end she gets in trouble she makes his siter to lie to him that sister for whom he did soo much n who never lied to him so what u expect he will respect her n her behaviour her untidy nature this all is irritating sometimes to viewers also so what u expect

n now akram n zoya i agree he should listen to her u can't take decision like this but he knows akram n he thinks he is nice guy n zoya always make decision without thinking



Agreed. Both characters are flawed and hopefully in the near future we will see them both attempting to change for the better without insults to each other.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree with you to a certain extent, but not with everything dear..yes Asad should not have poked his nose where it does not belong..but if you were in Asad position probably would have done the same...Zoya has not been in his good book from day 1 with all her antics and made a very bad impression on him, for Asad she is a trouble maker and who he also sees as a very strong headed and independent woman who can look after herself on the other hand his concern for Akram who he think is very bhola bhala...so he would not never expect him to do any harm to Zoya.

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