Asad should watch what he says to Zoya... - Page 4

Originally posted by: chandaursitare

You can call me Chand. It's nice to meet you. 😊 Personally never read Mills and Boon and I do not mind her inspiration, but only the mindset her male characters have. Somehow she expects the viewers to understand the men just because of their past, but then what about the women? She portrays this idea on screen that nobody should care about them because it is all about the guy and his past suffering. He has no right to try to demean Zoya because he knows nothing about her or her life.

Nisha, I whole heartedly agree. How she can possibly live in that house is beyond me. You can take an insult once, even twice, but he does it every chance he gets. She can still meet her aunt without having to live with them. It would be really nice for once to have Zoya call him out without him shoving his views down people's throats because it is his house and he is the man.. and it is ok for Ayaan because he is a guy and you know "boys will be boys." Only thing we can control are women.

Originally posted by: Ksgian4lyf

Guys its a fictional drama! No need to get so serious! Its entertainment so chill and enjoy the karanlicious show(:

Originally posted by: ---Nisha---

actually i love to read. Any chance i get and i will be buried in a book. I admit I have read some harlequin (which are exactly like mills and boons) novels as well but not that many. The heroes in those novel are not as bad as Gul's makes them out to be. Yes they are rich, and sometimes condescending but they have manners and basic civility, and even though many of the harlequin heroes are greek (greeks are portrayed as orthodox)...they are still modern. So this is a new thing. Arnav from IPK was a new thing as well because harlequin/ M&B novels are for a quick read...its short and simple and it leaves you with a awwhhh feeling. Doesnt make you cringe in the end. And the women have a spine in the ones I have read...or atleast try to stand up.

Originally posted by: Rupunzale

hi Chand,

You have a beautiful name. If you have followed her last serial you will see that the same thing happened...insulting the female lead and then falling in love ...it's very mysogynist if you think closely. She has always glorified her heroes disgusting actions...she has shown them as passion or love. Can you believe that ? What part of man handling a woman is love ? Asad is a hypocrite and also a sexist...I did give his character some time...but I dislike his character right now. I want Zoya to walk out of that house.

Originally posted by: princessonline

👏👏 This is absolutely the mindset of such people. Could not have been worded better. It so ridiculous that people always ask women to change. Well if this happened to her then she shouldn't have done this. Why? Are women not humans? Do they not have the right to enjoy their lives? I don't think this is something that happens only India but I think to an extent it happens worldwide. I live in America and personally when I see a group of guys standing near a place I need to go I feel a bit scared because you know that there is a very slim chance they are going to not pass a comment or say something amidst themselves. It is so sad that even though times have changed and women are getting more and more respect that we as women have to live with such constant fears.

Riya

Originally posted by: ---Nisha---

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In my eyes the highlighted red part is the issue with Asad. Its the mentality that girls who wear jeans or short clothes, who are modern, are not cultural, or are not religious are character less. That is the issue with Asad. Just because someone ridiculed and did not follow their religion does not mean they are bad people. Hinduism fascinates me but only as mythology, I cannot in my right mind truly believe it as a fact. And I have sometimes ridiculed some of things about Christianity, roman mythology and even hindiusm, but that doesnt mean anything. Being religious and cultural does not somehow automatically give someone a higher ground than someone who isnt.

Anyways, I grew up in Mumbai...lived there for 12 years. I liked playing holi and diwali and I sometimes went to poojas but that was the extent of my culture/ religion. So when I moved to America the fact that there was so much less indian culture around me just influenced me to become less and less cultural/religious. And now I find that I am not very traditional and certainly not religious (that isnt all my fault though..my parents never made me participate in anything religious or cultural if I didnt want to). I also wear shorts/tank tops etc etc, but all that doesnt make me "loose" or character less. I still have my principles, my own morals. Thats what disgusting men like Asad never understand... that women who are not religious can have even more dignity, morals, and self-respect than the so called adharsh girl who is cultural and religious, who never speaks in front of elders or raises her voice. Btw, I know many girls here who claim to be religious (deeply) and cultural yet they go out and drink and hook up with men and do drugs as well. And I dont judge them for their lifestyles...they can live their life exactly the way they see fit. The only thing that I dont like is the hypocrisy. Be what you are (if you arent religious then why pretend?) And anyways if culture and religion mean such things to these girls, then who is Asad to say that a noncultural woman like me is without tehzeeb, while these girls do have tehzeeb? Who on earth made him the judge???

And I agree Zoya is a bit crazy. I would never behave the way she has that too in someone else's house, but Asad still had no right to set up a meeting. Firstly, he pried into his guests personal life and also he pried into his employee's life. An employer's job is not to regulate his employee's personal life...its to monitor his employee's work.

Bringing up Zoya's parents...that was awful. I was truly disgusted at that moment because I thought well what about your parents...how did your mother raise you Asad. Did she raise you to speak to women like that, to judge women like that, to call women degrading names??

The problem with Asad is that he has no tehzeeb which he keeps spouting to Zoya all the time like a broken record. If I was a guest in a man like Asad's house then I would leave that instant and never return. My pride would never allow me to remain in such a man's house who has insulted me so deeply. I would rather live in a third class hotel. Heck, I have broken friendships for less. So Asad's behavior is absolutely unforgivable in my eyes.

What baffles me is that Asad has such an elegant, well rounded, understanding, kind mother. How could he end up the way he did? Regressive, backward, control freak??

And yes he is regressive. I tried giving the character Asad a lot of time because I have been feeling like this since the beginning, but IF members said give him time. And now its been what 1 or 2 months and my opinion has just worsened.

Originally posted by: AshRun

You made this complicated for no reason. I mean all I was trying to tell the post maker (Priyanka 😊) was that some girls like me who were born and raised in America are more cultured than girls who have never stepped out of India. That is why I told her about my classmates who ridiculed other people's religious beliefs and made fun of customs. According to Asad only NRIs do that, so what I was trying to say is that some indian girls are less cultured than American-Indians like me.Hence, his views are baseless in my opinion.I really wish you had understood my point, but you didn't. So please, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from giving me a lecture on how being religious doesn't make me a better person than them because I was not trying to say that I am better, I was only trying to say that some NRIs are wayy more cultured than people who stay sooo close to ther roots. Bye!!

Originally posted by: princessonline

I agree with you in countless ways. I feel that Asad's character needs a
renovation. The creative team claimed that they wanted to portray
Asad's character as a strict, traditional guys who upholds his values
and culture beyond anything in his life, however, so far all I have been
able to see is a guy who has many preconceived notions and
misconceptions of what women should and should not do, how girls from
foreign countries behave and the role of women in society. His behavior and ideals are outright outrageous. It is one thing to be traditional and another thing to be sexist! To me Asad seems less traditional and more of a sexist male who has the idea that women are not equal to men and should contain themselves to their home and family. We live in the 21st century for crying out loud. Such ideals are the reason for distress in many countries and I feel the reason for cases such as, the Dehli Rape Case. Why is if that women are always looked down upon and asked to change? Why is it that Asad feels that Zoya's parents have not instilled correct values in her? Is it so hard for him to accept that everyone is different and carry different viewpoints. Just because Asad's father cheated and left his mother does not give Asad the right to accuse or abuse other people. I understand he has gone through a rough
childhood but how is it the fault of all women and Zoya for what happened to him? Why doesn't he stop to think that if his mother was more powerful, independent and like Zoya she would not have had to endured half the things she has had to go through because she would have the courage to stand up and fight for herself and not sit at home and cry about how her husband cheated on her and left her and her kids 18 years ago! Zoya knew she would not be able to fulfill her marriage with Akram because there are things from her past and her life which she needs to clear before she can be happy and focus on her present and future, therefore, say no to the marriage and left. If she had married Akram neither Akram would be happy and neither would Zoya. The cherry on top is the fact that Asad feels the necessity to take it upon himself to make Zoya and Akram meet because HE feels she owes him an explanation. Just because Zoya lives with him does not give Asad the right to take Zoya's decisions for her. She is a grown woman who knows what she wants and needs to do in her life and doesn't need his approval. I think the creatives seriously don't know the definition between traditional and sexist. Correct me if I am wrong but in which religious scripture does it give men the right to treat women with such inferiority? Or gives people the guideline of how to dress? I don't think there is one. It is the people of our society that create this backwards thinking and push it forward for other people to believe.

I am not sure why 4 Lions finds the urge to create male character who abuse and taunt the female protagonists in any way possible and then make them fall in love. I am sorry to say, but I don't think if in reality someone treated me the way Asad is treated Zoya I would give them my time of day, much less go on to marry them. Are they trying to say after Zoya and Asad fall in love Asad will get rid of his values. Do they think it is a joke and that easy to get rid of the ideals and values we have grown up with?

Sorry for writing so much but I completely agreed with you and wanted to share some of my thoughts on this matter as well. Great topic.

Originally posted by: chandaursitare

Yeah,
I did not think those books would be that famous all over the world
because most people would find that disturbing. Not to say that sexism
does not exist anymore, it most definitely does, but more people see it
and are willing to say something about it than in the past. @bold: that
is all Asad needs to do. He claims to be so traditional and someone with
manners, but he really is not. If he was, he would not be treating a
guest like this. And basic civility is definitely asking for too much in
these shows. After the broken phone issue, the way he just came home
and pretty much assaulted Zoya was completely unnecessary. When he
blocked her way, what he was doing is harrassment. It was
disrespectful and it was pretty clear that she was uncomfortable, but
apparently he thought he had the right to do that. He forgot she never
gave him that right.

Thanks. I like your name too. It reminds me of Priyanka Chopra and she comes across as a very strong woman to me. 😊
That is when I stopped watching her last show.. the guy never changed
and to top it all, he forced her to marry him. It might be intimidation,
but I do not consider it love. I really wish she would walk out of the
house too or at least maybe start paying rent because she does not need
to take all the insults from such a guy.

Originally posted by: 1D_D3-Crazy

Being an NRI myself if someone like Asad talked to me like that I wouldn't be happy because yes I am modern in a sense but I stick to my beliefs. But the thing most people need to remember is that there are sill many people like that in this world so I think currently its a good thing Asad is portrayed in that sense and obviously later on he will obviously change but I do think Asad should apologise to Zoya for interfering in her personal matters and he shouldn't be too judgemental

Nikki <3