Asad should watch what he says to Zoya...

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...and about her family. In the beginning Asad was portrayed as someone traditional and orthodox in his ways. But gradually his character has portrayed regressive and radical behavior. In this contemporary world where women should be respected as an equal he has some very prehistorical notions about a NRI woman who is outgoing, independent and vivacious. He has been judgmental about Zoya on the grounds of her dressing sense...the way she was raised and where she was raised. He went a step forward dragging in and insulting her parents for not teaching her proper manners and attire. This is insulting and outrageous. He has insulted and humiliated Zoya at every chance he got and now because of his reckless decision Zoya is in danger of getting assaulted by these goons.

Who has given him the right to arrange a meeting between Akram amid Zoya ? Who has given him the right to interfere in Zoya's personal matter like her marriage? Yes, Zoya has made some wrong choices but as a woman it was her choice to say yes or no to her wedding and above all her own sister and brother -in -law has forgiven her and has accepted her decision...Dilshad knows about the whole incident and has accepted her as her guest. So what right does Asad has to arrange a meeting with Akram? He simply has no right. He has been reckless and insensitive. He preaches about manners...doesn't he ? So why did he disregard Dilshad's worry when she repeatedly pleaded that she could sense that Zoya is in danger ?

Asad believes that NRI's are without manners and etiquette...really? His step brother Ayaan is supposed to be brought up in a traditional home...what about his manners towards women? What about his tehzeeb? He flirts with women as if he has a born right? Asad is just a hypocrite and nothing else.

Zoya has been kidnapped and in reality women in such situations are assaulted and even killed. I am sure Ms Gul and the 4lions production is going to milk the situation and show the great Asad as Zoya's savior? It's pathetic...it's a wrong message Ms Gul...it's a wrong message because a woman doesn't need a man to save her from a crisis...she can do it herself. By showing Asad saving Zoya you are going to give a wrong message by letting all the teenagers think that they need a man to protect themselves.

Last but not the least...Ms Gul if you are planning on progressing the story with Asad and Zoya then Asad seriously needs to tone down on the way he thinks and speaks about Zoya...he has to repent and apologize because in no way women with self respect and dignity is going to sit and watch a lovey dovey romance after such insults bestowed upon Zoya. As a woman is shameful to watch someone falling for a guy who has been insulting.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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You've made some valid points here and I for one am so not for women being shown as mere weak objects who are there for men's adoration only and all this cliched situations portrayed on Indian TV shows where women always need a man to get themselves out of a tight situation as it's not always like that in real life but sadly there are men out there who only see women good for one thing so they tend to glorify that more on such Indian shows.
True Asad had no right to fix that meeting with Akram for Zoya but he did it out of good intentions thinking that Akhram's a good man and in any work place no boss is likely to know what an employee is like for sure in his or her personal life,they can just make assumtions based on what they see at that time they have to work together.Asad's character form the beginning has been shown to have grey shades,with being strict,stern,harsh,detached from all emotions apart from those of his ammi's and sister's and that is where Zoya comes in and shows this guy what living really is.Makes him aware of all these different emotions and shows him a different approach to life and his way of thinking may not be always right and that is where the beauty of the story will start as we get to see Asad's character evolving for the better and vice versa for Zoya too so a lot of valid reasonable points you've made but I just sense so much anti Asad in your post and think you should give the character time to evolve to leave deeper impact on us the audience for the better.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Reserved lol I will be right back to reply properly. Great and much needed post!!
Ok so being an NRI, I feel really irritated and offended when he generalizes and says that ALL girls who were born and raised in the west have no regard for cultural traditions.I was born and raised in America, but I went to school in India for 4 years, and you might think I am bragging, but honestly, I am a LOT more cultured than some of my classmates were in India.I respect and follow the cultural and religious customs that they used to ridicule themselves and not follow.
Showing Asad to be religious and conservative is different thing, but he doesn't have the right to make assumptions about people especially since the Khans have not been shown to have any relatives from America. It's one thing if he has had interactions with like 100 NRI girls who betrayed him and gave him that impression, but just speaking whatever the hell he speaks like is dumb. You're right, in real life girls don't get saved like that.They are scarred for life, I can say that because I've been abused,not raped but I know the feeling of being taken for granted by idiotic men. As for Gul, history is repeating itself!! It's okay for her to show the girl getting abused and then loved by the same man in all 3 of her shows.So I guess that's her style of presenting love stories. My idea of a love story is completely different, but I do enjoy her stories in the beginning. However, she over does it during the phase when the guy and girl don't get along. The girl quietly endures evrything while the guy insults her either for being poor (yes, believe it or not) or for being uncultured and mannerless in this case.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: shaz2009

You've made some valid points here and I for one am so not for women being shown as mere weak objects who are there for men's adoration only and all this cliched situations portrayed on Indian TV shows where women always need a man to get themselves out of a tight situation as it's not always like that in real life but sadly there are men out there who only see women good for one thing so they tend to glorify that more on such Indian shows.

True Asad had no right to fix that meeting with Akram for Zoya but he did it out of good intentions thinking that Akhram's a good man and in any work place no boss is likely to know what an employee is like for sure in his or her personal life,they can just make assumtions based on what they see at that time they have to work together.Asad's character form the beginning has been shown to have grey shades,with being strict,stern,harsh,detached from all emotions apart from those of his ammi's and sister's and that is where Zoya comes in and shows this guy what living really is.Makes him aware of all these different emotions and shows him a different approach to life and his way of thinking may not be always right and that is where the beauty of the story will start as we get to see Asad's character evolving for the better and vice versa for Zoya too so a lot of valid reasonable points you've made but I just sense so much anti Asad in your post and think you should give the character time to evolve to leave deeper impact on us the audience for the better.

Thanks for replying. I am anti the quality that Asad possesses...I simply cannot tolerate such regressive behavior towards any human being. This has gone way to far and now they expect us to accept a love-story between the two...this is a direct insult to the Zoya's dignity and self respect. Women rights is very personal to me because I work in a domestic violence shelter...in real life a girl who gets kidnapped is not saved by a hero but is brutally assaulted and even killed. The women who survives are emotionally and physically scarred for life. It's dreadful out there in the real worls and if they are showing such social,causes they should show an example of a strong woman and not glorify a man's superiority. I just wanted to let you know that I do not have such string thoughts because I am a feminist...but because I am a woman and a mother of a daughter.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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It is quite amazing the things that come out of Asad's mouth. Not quite sure what century he lives in. It is fine to be traditional, but the way he is putting curfews on her and insulting at every chance he gets because she is an NRI and dares to think for herself. I sincerely hope Asad does not end up being shown as the savior because he put her in that situation. She can get out of it on her own. I skip most of the scenes where he lectures, but can't keep watching what he says because it only encourages this kind of regressive thinking. It is odd though. I started watching this show because they talked about how liberal Zoya is and so different from the way other female characters are portrayed. So far, it is the same old except this seems to be actually working to claim that what Asad thinks/believes in is correct, which is far from correct. Still hoping that Asad's character is like this to show the thinking some people have and to change it.
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Originally posted by: chandaursitare

It is quite amazing the things that come out of Asad's mouth. Not quite sure what century he lives in. It is fine to be traditional, but the way he is putting curfews on her and insulting at every chance he gets because she is an NRI and dares to think for herself. I sincerely hope Asad does not end up being shown as the savior because he put her in that situation. She can get out of it on her own. I skip most of the scenes where he lectures, but can't keep watching what he says because it only encourages this kind of regressive thinking.

I find his words extremely condescending and derogatory. I am appalled by the fact that such regressive behavior is repeatedly been portrayed in such a manner. Be assured that he will be shown as Zoya's savior even after she is in this position in the first place. Yet again the hero will be glorified and Zoya will be shown as the weak one. His views about NRI's are demeaning...even though its a fiction it's really disturbing to see such views been directed towards NRI's like us. It's a shame.
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@Rupanzale I totally understand and respect your views and me being a women myself feel strongly about womens rights and condemn any immoral behaviour towards women.This is a fictional show and it's main aim is for the audience to evolve too along with it's main leads and fall in love with their pairing and their love just like any other show and too garner higher Trp's they will take whatever route whether it is to in favour or to the taste of a section of the audience.Asad's character is a complex one which they will be making changes to a along as per the scripts demands or again keeping Trp in mind Yes he comes across as behtameez or even male chauvinistic with his statements but the underlying fact is that he may have a lot of negativity circuiting from him but one thing we all know for sure is that he has a conscience which lies on humanity that wont be able to witness or do morally wrong to anyone especially to a woman.He is trapped in this domain of the past that has left him scarred for life after seeing his own parents realtionship withering away without direction,he has a lot of pain,angst and hatred within him which is all built up as negative energy which unleashes it's wrath on those outside that domain he has built around him...I know it's no excuse for some of the things he says especially to Zoya but different individuals have different ways of dealing with any given situation and that id just how a Asad is complexity in himself...he is like marmite in my opinion...we will either love him or hate him.Anyways...a great post by you and very well written with some very good vaild reasonable points which have back bone to arise the need for questions and debates.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: AshRun

Reserved lol I will be right back to reply properly. Great and much needed post!!

Ok so being an NRI, I feel really irritated and offended when he generalizes and says that ALL girls who were born and raised in the west have no regard for cultural traditions.I was born and raised in America, but I went to school in India for 4 years, and you might think I am bragging, but honestly, I am a LOT more cultured than some of my classmates were in India.I respect and follow the cultural and religious customs that they used to ridicule themselves and not follow.
Showing Asad to be religious and conservative is different thing, but he doesn't have the right to make assumptions about people especially since the Khans have not been shown to have any relatives from America. It's one thing if he has had interactions with like 100 NRI girls who betrayed him and gave him that impression, but just speaking whatever the hell he speaks like is dumb. You're right, in real life girls don't get saved like that.They are scarred for life, I can say that because I've been abused,not raped but I know the feeling of being taken for granted by idiotic men. As for Gul, history is repeating itself!! It's okay for her to show the girl getting abused and then loved by the same man in all 3 of her shows.So I guess that's her style of presenting love stories. My idea of a love story is completely different, but I do enjoy her stories in the beginning. However, she over does it during the phase when the guy and girl don't get along. The girl quietly endures evrything while the guy insults her either for being poor (yes, believe it or not) or for being uncultured and mannerless in this case.

hi ash...I am very sorry to know that you were abused but i am glad that you have come out strong from it. i am a NRI too and lost my mother at a very young age. My brother and I was brought up my dad. In words I have had greater male influence in my life then women...but believe me when I say this that although I didn't grow up with my mother by my side my dad has never let me miss her a bit. In no way my dad has ever differentiated between me and my brother...infact I was always taught that I was always an equal and I was bestowed with all the independence...but my dad always made sure that I understood the importance and respected the independence. That is the exact reason I find it personally disturbing as a NRI when I see Asad insulting Zoha and even going farther insulting her parents. It's absolutely unacceptable.

Yes Gul's record in love stories has the pattern of abusing the woman at first and then making her fall in love with the same man...it's extremely disturbing. In real life it's called abuse and a woman believe me is no where near the feeling of love. A man repeatedly abuses you...it starts verbally...and then it's physical...but unfortunately it is showcased as passion and love. Isn't it unfortunate that we have to sit and watch how the same abused and mistreated woman will slowly be forced into marriage or love.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: shaz2009

@Rupanzale I totally understand and respect your views and me being a women myself feel strongly about womens rights and condemn any immoral behaviour towards women.This is a fictional show and it's main aim is for the audience to evolve too along with it's main leads and fall in love with their pairing and their love just like any other show and too garner higher Trp's they will take whatever route whether it is to in favour or to the taste of a section of the audience.Asad's character is a complex one which they will be making changes to a along as per the scripts demands or again keeping Trp in mind Yes he comes across as behtameez or even male chauvinistic with his statements but the underlying fact is that he may have a lot of negativity circuiting from him but one thing we all know for sure is that he has a conscience which lies on humanity that wont be able to witness or do morally wrong to anyone especially to a woman.He is trapped in this domain of the past that has left him scarred for life after seeing his own parents realtionship withering away without direction,he has a lot of pain,angst and hatred within him which is all built up as negative energy which unleashes it's wrath on those outside that domain he has built around him...I know it's no excuse for some of the things he says especially to Zoya but different individuals have different ways of dealing with any given situation and that id just how a Asad is complexity in himself...he is like marmite in my opinion...we will either love him or hate him.Anyways...a great post by you and very well written with some very good vaild reasonable points which have back bone to arise the need for questions and debates.

hi Shaz...I am priyanka...thanks for liking my post. I know Asad is a multilayered character and slowly it's going to open up and believe me I have no problem with that. I have no problem in showing him as religious or traditional. Of course there are men possessing such characteristics every part of the world. But ,my question is why does he have to be this harsh on her upbringing on the basis of her being a NRI. As a NRI I find it a direct insult to women like me. It's not acceptable that he treats her like that...don't you think? I know he grew up with pain and angst as a young boy...but that doesn't give him the right to treat someone else like that...he didn't have his dad but he did have a wonderful mother like Dilshad who has nurtured him and Najma. Shaz, just imagine a fellow woman living her life after getting raped or abused ? It doesn't mean that everyone who has had a hard and difficult childhood will have the right to abuse and ill treat others. I think it's just another way to hide behind a reason. But as you said different individuals react in a different way and I think that is the real test of what a person is really made of. Here Asad chose to give his dad the power instead of his mother by choosing to let his life get affected by what his dad did but not his mother who sacrificed her life for her children.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rupunzale

Yet again the hero will be glorified and Zoya will be shown as the weak one. His views about NRI's are demeaning...even though its a fiction it's really disturbing to see such views been directed towards NRI's like us. It's a shame.



That is exactly why I find it disturbing too. Ms. Gul shows this kind of abuse and falling in "love" constantly and the fact that she has shown it in so many just makes us as a society more complicit in it. Sometimes I really wonder who writes these stories because abusing a girl and then forcing her to marry you is not love. Not at all.

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