is this karma? - Page 9

i agree with u laks di..it is karma in a way...but i hate how the Afghans of today are having to suffer the consequences of the sins their ancestors committed..and I feel sorry for Ghori and his troops, who despite shedding so much of their own blood and the blood of Indians, got nowhere with their country. Even after the muslims invaded India, India was still a powerful country because of kings like Akbar. India has always been a noble nation..never harmed any country unless its for retaliation..and I sincerely admire Her for that

Originally posted by: lakshmim_84

when did hindus torture muslims n were not condemed... pls specify the yr or the place or anything.. so that v can analyse the situation.

none of the congress leaders (i am using congress leaders because.. they were the first significant party of independent india n most of our first ministers were from that party) had the opinion of creating india for hindus.. n torturing muslims

i am not telling about other country.. but religion was never the basis for the creation of India.. it is democracy that formed the foundation.. n that too a secular democracy.. n this helped every citizen of india regardless of their religion to protect n promote their culture.. n since we kept religion out of politics .. v r able to think out of this religious line n promote our country.

yea true laks...it is democracy which is the foundation of our country!.....!...

and plzzzz luv4prc....watever u were told in ur books r totally biased and untrue.....thankgod our govt never focused on religion bases...otherwise india wud never been such a great country...dispite of soo many religions !....dats why india is known for its.....UNITY in DIVERSITY!...😃....

and aslo...religion shud not be the base of any country...humanism shud be the base.....dats why our wise leaders made(of independence time) made secular and democratic rules...giving high value to humanism...rather den religion!.....dats why india is prospering!

Originally posted by: sexc_111

n ya people can sure steal money but imposible to steal love 😃

very well said dear👏........none can still love & if every citizen io a country truly loves his or her nation😊.........then the nation is bound to be on top😛........none can stop her😊.......but unfortunately there are still some people in all nations who only think of their profit(as ghori once thought & now some corrupt politicians).......we have to strenthen the bond of love between us😊......

@ Luv4prc

this time I cant agree with u.........I know there were lots of issues with Hindu & Muslim........they both were wrong & they both equally suffered........u r giving examples of some well known politician of that time........but I like to remind u that all of them who suffered either Hindu or Muslim were common people........politicians played lots of game where common people were suffered but not those masterminds........its true for all nation & religion........its time to think abt common people who are a major part of the nation.........

Originally posted by: saswatisett

very well said dear👏........none can still love & if every citizen io a country truly loves his or her nation😊.........then the nation is bound to be on top😛........none can stop her😊.......but unfortunately there are still some people in all nations who only think of their profit(as ghori once thought & now some corrupt politicians).......we have to strenthen the bond of love between us😊......

@ Luv4prc

this time I cant agree with u.........I know there were lots of issues with Hindu & Muslim........they both were wrong & they both equally suffered........u r giving examples of some well known politician of that time........but I like to remind u that all of them who suffered either Hindu or Muslim were common people........politicians played lots of game where common people were suffered but not those masterminds........its true for all nation & religion........its time to think abt common people who are a major part of the nation.........

well said👏

@ lakhsmim,anu,swaswattiset.. well ma name is sabika..

ur leaders were soo generous as u say so den y did dey nawt agree wid jinnahs 14 points n d 2 nation theory...although benefit unn kaa bhi thaa sirf 1 sided benefit nahii thaa

n another leader "da maharaja of kashmir" (being a hindu) handed over kashmir to india althought kashmir was a muslim majority area ??

n iv u say dat hindus didnt take away d rights of muslims den y did dey widheld muslims share of 75 crores when dey knew dat r needs were really pressing at dat tyme n v desperately needed financial aid ??

who said r leaders n books make us feel or thnk dis way ??

sir syed ahemd khan was r leader he was in total favour of d frndship b/w muslims n hindus n so was iqbal n jinnah....buh d circumstances n probs made dem change their view points...

okie leave d books other sources lyk internet etc also tell d same thngg

now u r trying 2 say dey r absolutely wrong as well n dat u guys r ryt ??

c'mon guys...how many more evidences u want me 2 present to prove pakistan did widstand mental n physical tortures buh still today is n independent n successful country

whose youth still honor d hardships n struggle r ancestors made

Originally posted by: luv4prc

@ lakhsmim,anu,swaswattiset.. well ma name is sabika..

ur leaders were soo generous as u say so den y did dey nawt agree wid jinnahs 14 points n d 2 nation theory...although benefit unn kaa bhi thaa sirf 1 sided benefit nahii thaa

n another leader "da maharaja of kashmir" (being a hindu) handed over kashmir to india althought kashmir was a muslim majority area ??

n iv u say dat hindus didnt take away d rights of muslims den y did dey widheld muslims share of 75 crores when dey knew dat r needs were really pressing at dat tyme n v desperately needed financial aid ??

who said r leaders n books make us feel or thnk dis way ??

sir syed ahemd khan was r leader he was in total favour of d frndship b/w muslims n hindus n so was iqbal n jinnah....buh d circumstances n probs made dem change their view points...

okie leave d books other sources lyk internet etc also tell d same thngg

now u r trying 2 say dey r absolutely wrong as well n dat u guys r ryt ??

c'mon guys...how many more evidences u want me 2 present to prove pakistan did widstand mental n physical tortures buh still today is n independent n successful country

whose youth still honor d hardships n struggle r ancestors made

Well sabika as u r from Pakistan & know exactly what problems the people of ur land suffered that we really don't know………At the same time I know what problems the people of my land suffered then & still suffering which u don't know………As previously there was a stone wall of bitterness between the two countries neither common Indians nor common Pakistani people get a chance to know each other😕………I personally don't like the Neheru-Gandhi politics that took place before independence & I always preferred Netaji Suvash Chandra Bose's politics😊………I still repeat that unfortunately some politicians determined the fate of India & Pakistan at that time😕……….Now thanks to electronic media public opinion is becoming more & more powerful👏………but the situation was not the same before independence………No common Hindu & Muslim was asked for opinion regarding the partition that time………As u are telling so many muslin Pakistani people suffered…….I can say almost same number of Common Hindu people from east Pakistan(presently Bangladesh) suffer equal torture………Now also there are some muslim Indian family who cant meet their relatives whom the lost in Partition………I again say Common people suffered from both the countries………….& still suffering with ill feelings towards each other………There are so many muslim in India who are proud to be Indian………I personally have some close Muslim friends……….Unfortunately for Indians & Pakistanis religion is always used very tickly as a weapon of division……..Pls don't think in that way common peoples are same in both of our land……😊....

@ lakhsmim,anu,swaswattiset.. well ma name is sabika.. hi sabika..😛

ur leaders were soo generous as u say so den y did dey nawt agree wid jinnahs 14 points n d 2 nation theory...although benefit unn kaa bhi thaa sirf 1 sided benefit nahii thaa ....i read just visited wiklipidia of jinnah .....u also see dis....why all agreed on 2 nation theory!.....if a person is only able to see human as hindu-mus den noone can help!....and cuting india into 2 pieces was never been the issue of profit...ppl only loosed not gained!.....dat was all politics of britisers........dey divided us.....

u also visit dis... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Ali_Jinnah

it contains nboth his +ve and -ve aspects!.....and read it in unbised way!......!!!!....

n another leader "da maharaja of kashmir" (being a hindu) handed over kashmir to india althought kashmir was a muslim majority area ?? ...ohhh i dont wanna start over kashmir issue...even our politicians not able to solve dis issue...den how can we...😆.....

n iv u say dat hindus didnt take away d rights of muslims den y did dey widheld muslims share of 75 crores when dey knew dat r needs were really pressing at dat tyme n v desperately needed financial aid ?? ...wat r u toking abut....??...😕...laks....wat she is saying??...wud u clear??😕

who said r leaders n books make us feel or thnk dis way ??....Ummmm....u said dat u r taught all dis in classes...!

sir syed ahemd khan was r leader he was in total favour of d frndship b/w muslims n hindus n so was iqbal n jinnah....buh d circumstances n probs made dem change their view points... really??😲...i never knew..!!.....may be dis site is wrorg....kindly visit!!...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syed_Ahmed_Khan

dis is not bised sites...dese r wiklipidias...!!.....

*phew*...tooo long article...but i nowhere found abut syed ahemd khan dat he wanted frndship b/w hindu-muslim.....😕!....plzzz pehle search on net and sites...!.....

okie leave d books other sources lyk internet etc also tell d same thngg ...okk

r trying 2 say dey r absolutely wrong as well n dat u guys r ryt ?? .

....m not saying dat we r rite....but just saying dat its not only mus suffered but all ppl who lived in india suffered dis partition...so its wrong to blame hidus or any religion!.....

moreover......u r only taught dat hi did wrong thing to mus ....and making u bised towards religion...dats why u r thinking dat religion is over human....no dear...its human and humaism which comes first!.......not any religion....

and aslo...if our leaders wanted india free frm mus...den do u think dat mus cud ever reside in india after parition??...no dear....!...and in india all ppl whether hindu or mus or sikh or chris ...al hv equal rites...and all r equal acc to our laws.....!....so u cant say our govt is biaed for any religion...if so den dere wudnt hav been any chance for peace in india...cozz in india dere and many reigions!...!!!.....
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Ok ladies, please stop discussing this religious/ political stuff here...I dont really want another great debate scenario coming up again.

Did anyone mention the oppressed Christian minority in Pakistan? Trust me, I have lots to say in this topic, but I will not cause another upheaval on this forum!
And yes, Kashmir is a totally different situation, but I prefer not to talk about it...

ur leaders were soo generous as u say so den y did dey nawt agree wid jinnahs 14 points n d 2 nation theory...although benefit unn kaa bhi thaa sirf 1 sided benefit nahii thaa
correction: our leaders did not agree to all the 14 points... thats the sentence.. now lets see what the 14 points were (i cannot discuss all 14 points here.. so let me take the ones that our leaders did not agree).
the main points were..
1. The form of the future constitution should be federal with the residuary powers vested in the provinces.

that means states should be more powerful than the central govt... our leaders were clever enough to understand that for a country to prosper... everyone shld identify themself as the citizen of the country ie as an Indian. not the state they belong to... so..more power is given to the central govt.. this was a clever decision.. look at india now.. states have become meare lines in the map of india.
2. In the Central Legislature, Muslim representation shall not be less than one third.
3. Any territorial distribution that might at any time be necessary shall not in any way affect the Muslim majority in the Punjab, Bengal and the North West Frontier Province.
4. Provision should be made in the constitution giving Muslims an adequate share, along with the other Indians, in all the services of the state and in local self-governing bodies having due regard to the requirements of efficiency.
5. No cabinet, either central or provincial, should be formed without there being a proportion of at least one-third Muslim ministers.

all these points show .. he wanted to bring religion into politics.. which will create enormous problems in the secular country that india was striving to be at that time.

this answers first part of ur post.. i will answer the remaining question soon.. give me a little time to type

Originally posted by: lakshmim_84

ur leaders were soo generous as u say so den y did dey nawt agree wid jinnahs 14 points n d 2 nation theory...although benefit unn kaa bhi thaa sirf 1 sided benefit nahii thaa
correction: our leaders did not agree to all the 14 points... thats the sentence.. now lets see what the 14 points were (i cannot discuss all 14 points here.. so let me take the ones that our leaders did not agree).
the main points were..
1. The form of the future constitution should be federal with the residuary powers vested in the provinces.

that means states should be more powerful than the central govt... our leaders were clever enough to understand that for a country to prosper... everyone shld identify themself as the citizen of the country ie as an Indian. not the state they belong to... so..more power is given to the central govt.. this was a clever decision.. look at india now.. states have become meare lines in the map of india.
2. In the Central Legislature, Muslim representation shall not be less than one third.
3. Any territorial distribution that might at any time be necessary shall not in any way affect the Muslim majority in the Punjab, Bengal and the North West Frontier Province.
4. Provision should be made in the constitution giving Muslims an adequate share, along with the other Indians, in all the services of the state and in local self-governing bodies having due regard to the requirements of efficiency.
5. No cabinet, either central or provincial, should be formed without there being a proportion of at least one-third Muslim ministers.

all these points show .. he wanted to bring religion into politics.. which will create enormous problems in the secular country that india was striving to be at that time.

this answers first part of ur post.. i will answer the remaining question soon.. give me a little time to type

thanksss laks for info....really my history is poor enough!......!....i was never intrested in history until i start liking prc!....😆