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Posted: 13 years ago
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Good topic Elle...👏 and superb posts by everyone..

It is good to have scientific reasoning... but there are some things which are beyond the explanation of Science... miracles do happen.. prayers and positive thinking and hope can work wonders on humans and their surroundings...

Even if Prats does not believe in poojas (which I don't think is true).. there is no harm in participating if it makes others happy... In any case, if Prats refuses to take part in pooja in order to avoid lying before God, then it would hypocritical since she herself propagated this lie in the first place..
Edited by a_uma - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: a_uma

Good topic Elle...👏 and superb posts by everyone..

It is good to have scientific reasoning... but there are some things which are beyond the explanation of Science... miracles do happen.. prayers and positive thinking and hope can work wonders on humans and their surroundings...

Even if Prats does not believe in poojas (which I don't think is true).. there is no harm in participating if it makes others happy... In any case, if Prats refuses to take part in pooja in order to avoid lying before God, then it would hypocritical since she herself propagated this lie in the first place..

di woh andh visvaas mey yakin nahi karty ..
pooja mey Rakhati hay ..
Edited by Mitaly.. - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Snigdhakhanam

good post👏

I do believe in god's miracle fully😃in 2008 i gave admission test in medical.but that time i didn't got a chance.i was heart-broken.that time my dad consoled me and said u tried ur best and plz leave it to god.he never do unfair.after some days one friend callled me and inform that my name was in waiting list and finally i got a chance.after the incident i do believe in God's miracles 😃god always do justice 😊



Oh, something similar to that happened to me once as well, and I was shattered and so angry with everyone and everything around me. But then it all sorted out, and thankfully, a few years later, I look back and think how ungrateful I was. MashAllah, I now believe in prayers more than ever. You also see, how everything worked out for you, Congrats!

Btw, I really like your signature, love the thought 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: a_uma

Good topic Elle...👏 and superb posts by everyone..

It is good to have scientific reasoning... but there are some things which are beyond the explanation of Science... miracles do happen.. prayers and positive thinking and hope can work wonders on humans and their surroundings...

Even if Prats does not believe in poojas (which I don't think is true).. there is no harm in participating if it makes others happy... In any case, if Prats refuses to take part in pooja in order to avoid lying before God, then it would hypocritical since she herself propagated this lie in the first place..



Thank you Uma (is that what I should call you?).
@bold: I think so too. Even though Prats can always say that she did not lie, but she also did not tell the truth, and she allowed ppl to believe the lie. In such a case, she should take part in the Pooja, provided no dangerous activites involved.
Also, prayers are prayers, if she refuses just based on the fact that she is normal and it's Krishna who's affected, even then I think it would be wrong. Why not sit for the Pooja thinking that this might help them as a couple? Pray for Krishna's sake, right?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mitaly..

I believe in miracles and Pooja .

Science has gone far and they will goo far but so far science cant joint leaves that torn from tree. when Pratigya does not agree to belive in Ojaa that's cause this Ojaa are fake
they trikes ppl for MONEY IN NAME of God ..



What is Ojaa, Mitaly? Is it a special type of prayer? 😕
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Filza.

nice topic!!

i definitely will do special prayers while also seeking treatment if faced with any such situation similar to KriYa's. I believe in miracles. A few months back, my aunt was very sick in hospital, on ventilation. there came a point when doctors had given up on her when her heart had stopped beating for almost about 5 minutes..but when they said there is no chance. we never stopped our prayers...we went to shrines,did special prayers and she survived and is Mashallah fine today.

as for Thakurs one can object to their rituals (some that are torture) but i can not understand whats bad in praying.. i find it quite weird Amma saying P does not believe in 'poojas' ... do the CVs mean to say being educated means one is not spiritual 😕 P having complains with what they were trying to do with Samar in the name of treatment is justified but being against praying or poojas is quite odd... also, when K wanted to tie that cradle to the tree and make a wish, i didn't like it when he said to her 'i know you do not believe in all this but do it for my sake' does that imply P is against all the religious/spiritual things as she is educated!



I'm glad your aunt is doing well, MashAllah 😊

Prats has been shown in the past to be praying a few times. Maybe she believes that doing special Pooja/Prayers is not necessary and praying by oneself is enough and that is why she is against all this?
Personally, even I kind of believe that it should not be necessary to have special prayers for something, and that a simple one-to-one praying session with God should be enough. Afterall, God doesn't care what elaborate method we use to pray, He probably just wants us to remember Him and ask Him for help. However, even I agree to participate in special prayers, coz anything might help when the need arises.

Being educated however, should not make you against all these things. But then again, everyone has their own opinions.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: elle45



What is Ojaa, Mitaly? Is it a special type of prayer? 😕

Its not prayer ..its believing . in hindi its called anth visvaas superstition
its scene where that man came to TN when Chotu was sick ,and Amma ,SS wants him to cure Chotu instate Visiting DR also for kesar .

Edited by Mitaly.. - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: elle45



Oh, something similar to that happened to me once as well, and I was shattered and so angry with everyone and everything around me. But then it all sorted out, and thankfully, a few years later, I look back and think how ungrateful I was. MashAllah, I now believe in prayers more than ever. You also see, how everything worked out for you, Congrats!

Btw, I really like your signature, love the thought 😊

something similar to happened to u too😊yaar we should learn from it that god never close a door without open a window😃
@bold-thank u😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: elle45

Hello MKAPians 😊 I'm back with a short topic today. Yesterday, we saw on the show that the Thakurs want to hold a pooja for Kriya. They seem hopeful that praying might work while Krishna is against it and we do not yet know whether Pratigya will agree to it? Does she believe in such things?

So again, as I love doing "What would you do?" posts 😆, I ask you... What would you do in such a case? Or what should Pratigya do in such a case? God forbid any of us is ever in such a situation but would you agree to the Pooja/praying with the hope that there may be a miracle by God, or will you say that as the Reports/Doctor/Science have proven that there is no hope and refuse to sit in the pooja as there is no use of praying?

Or perhaps, you would just participate in the Pooja to appease everyone, just sab ka dil khush karne ko, all the while thinking that it would be useless?

Please do reply 😊 Do you believe in miracles?


I surely do. There are little miracles happening in our lives everyday and we rarely acknowledge it. Some things are beyond scientific comprehension and scientists are beginning to acknowledge it. Doctors see miraculous recovery of people they gave up on. There is a greater power in this universe that runs the show...starting with our breath.👏

Some people,just to please, go along with their family and friend's beliefs and agree to sit through the pooja even if they don't believe in it. Children are a gift from God...they are also born to those who didn't want them and are never born to those want them.

Krishna being angry at the temple is an interesting insight into how we as humans sometimes relate to God. In this case Krishna believes God should bless Prats and him with a child bec' they are deserving and asked (PRAYED) for it. He removed the cradle when it didn't happen per his time table and doctors said it can never happen. He doesn't even have the truth about it ...only what Prats has led him to believe.😕

His ego gets in the way and he fails to see that everything that happens is always for his highest good. He may not see it in this moment but on hindsight may be relieved. How often have we said "thank goodness that didn't happen". Phew!

This situation could well be his opportunity to learn the lesson behind this situation...to know or learn something about himself and his family in a way he never has before and turn his life in a new direction.
Edited by MERARAI - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: a_uma

Good topic Elle...👏 and superb posts by everyone..

It is good to have scientific reasoning... but there are some things which are beyond the explanation of Science... miracles do happen.. prayers and positive thinking and hope can work wonders on humans and their surroundings...

Even if Prats does not believe in poojas (which I don't think is true).. there is no harm in participating if it makes others happy... In any case, if Prats refuses to take part in pooja in order to avoid lying before God, then it would hypocritical since she herself propagated this lie in the first place..


Bravo! Well said. This is a subject I can write newsletters on my insights😉...my favorite subject.👏

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