DOTW: IV A Few Unanswered Questions

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Right from the time KS has started, it has had an unhappy knack of flitting from one event to another without properly resolving existing issues and leaving behind more riddles than answers. Then again lots of questions/issues which ought to have been raised (for eg. Dixit/Walia/Shukla Parents) were never addressed at all. Particularly the issue of the emotional legacy that parents left behind for their kids. Of course lots of the riddles are downright ridiculous and not worthy of racking our brains. For eg:

  • How come Pia transformed from a silly, selfish woman but caring sister to a rapist?
  • How come Sahil the angootha chhaap statue became the Prof. Moriarty of KS?

But there are others which are worth thinking about. Of course we don't have all the facts and a lot of our answers will have to be based on our opinions/prejudices. But let's think about these:

JAI WALIA

JW was a successful tycoon, was engaged briefly to Rosh (probably without any great love on his side) and yet never got married until the age of 40. Why? Was it the breakup of his engagement with Rosh? The knowledge of his role in KD's death? Or was it the unhappy legacy of his parents' marriage?

JW had known that he had killed Kiran. And yet he thought it fit to propose to Pia and later marry Bani, and ill-treat them. Seems to be a rather huge indictment of JW's character. What made him do such a nasty thing overlooking his own past misdeeds?

The night in Dubai damaged both J-B. But perhaps it devastated JW even more than Bani for the simple reason that while Bani had a lot of emotional support during her trauma, JW was left to fend for himself with possibly only Karuna (and even she may have some hidden agenda) for support. He was in fact meted out some fairly horific treatment by the GFNs. And yet even after he has been found to be innocent, no one-Bani, Maasi, Dadi, Adi, Jigs, Rano, Pushkar- has ever expressed any regret for what was done to JW or offered any healing touch to him. In fact barring perhaps Rano no one has even admitted that what had happened was an attack on JW as well. Why? Is it because he is still considered guilty? Or is it really JW's fault- that he had failed as a hubby/bro/uncle/father/son/friend and so no one has really been able to trust him in the crisis or develop any sense of empathy for him when he was found to be innocent?

BANI

Bani first fell for or rather was infatuated with Pushkar. Later of course she fell for JW big time. But interestingly neither JW nor Pushkar fell for her but fell for Pia instead. Why? Was it because Pia is prettier (assume that that is the case without comparing RC/PD's looks)? Or was it because Pia was lively and Bani was serious? Or was it because Bani being so confident did not attract the same interest as damsel-in-distress Pia?

Why did she fall in love with JW in spite of his being a horrid hubby to her? Because he was rich and HOT? Was it because of her sanskaars as a good wife? Was it because she appreciated the good side of his personality? Or did she fall in love with him because his sense of hurt at betrayal in love opened her to his softer side?

Ever since the PR raaz crisis she has never shown any particular trust in JW, whether it was the divorce-alimony- miscarriage fiasco, or the ONS or the Sahil murder case? Why does she so much mistrust the man she claims to and probably loves very much as well? Is it any fault on her part or is it that JW's own actions have hardly inspired any trust in her?

My favourite topic- the Dixits. She abandoned JW and subjected him to substantial emotional torture during the PR crisis and yet once she found out the truth has never regretted her parents actions? Pia has not only destroyed her life but destroyed JW's life on two occasions the second one perhaps more brutally. Yet Bani has never regreted what Pia has done to him. Why? Is it because she still considers JW guilty? Or could it be that whatever love she received has been from her own family which makes her very enamoured of them to side against them for JW's sake. And could be it that very simply JW has never been the kind of husband who could have won her undivided loyalty?

JIGYASA/KIDS

She is shown as a frustrated, wicked, cunning but ultimately an incompetent vamp? Why is she like this, was it that she was a wicked person by nature to begin with? Or have her experiences with life embittered her?

What is the precise nature of her relationship with her brother? There seems to be little caring and affection between the two. Why is she so estranged from her bro? Is it because she has resented JW's preference for relative outsiders (Adi, Karuna, Pushkar, the Dixits)? Or was it really the other way round- that it was Jigs' selfishness and lack of love and trust which had driven JW to seek solace in others?

And finally, why did her marriage with Adi break up? Was it plainly because Jigs was a bad woman? Was it because both were very young and immature when they married and could not handle the additional pressure that the kids brought on the relationship? Or was it because Adi could not be as successful and as rich as JW, plainly he couldn't be the man that her Bro was?

All their kids seem to be fairly maladjusted individuals. Was it that their unhappy marriage had never allowed them to mature as individuals or simply poor genetics or just plain bad luck?

Ranveer had wanted to become a brahmachari and seemed to be a bit of a misogynist. Why? Just a randome inspiration in childhood or had his parents bad example created a revulsion towards matrimony and women in him?

Regards

Priyanka

PS: I might add a few more questions.

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Good topic Pri! Will answer it in the morning! And Thanks again! 😛
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wow. lot of intesiting thoughts 😛
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hi priyanka
vry vry interestin post and well crafted Qs
in fact many of those bugged me when i started following ks

but as u herself said the Kreatives never bothered to clarify the facts , all wht v can put is our viewpoint widout any support of facts


Originally posted by: majumdar

Right from the time KS has started, it has had an unhappy knack of flitting from one event to another without properly resolving existing issues and leaving behind more riddles than answers. Then again lots of questions/issues which ought to have been raised (for eg. Dixit/Walia/Shukla Parents) were never addressed at all. Particularly the issue of the emotional legacy that parents left behind for their kids. Of course lots of the riddles are downright ridiculous and not worthy of racking our brains. For eg:

  • How come Pia transformed from a silly, selfish woman but caring sister to a rapist?
  • How come Sahil the angootha chhaap statue became the Prof. Moriarty of KS?

But there are others which are worth thinking about. Of course we don't have all the facts and a lot of our answers will have to be based on our opinions/prejudices. But let's think about these:

JAI WALIA

JW was a successful tycoon, was engaged briefly to Rosh (probably without any great love on his side) and yet never got married until the age of 40. Why? Was it the breakup of his engagement with Rosh? The knowledge of his role in KD's death? Or was it the unhappy legacy of his parents' marriage?

for me the reason for late marriage of JW was his workholic nature . He never had time for lookin a match for himself . He was in relation wid roshni but she abandon him when he needed her ( after PR-accident) this wid coupled wid legacy of his mother's failed marriage made him to turned his back to flings etc.. Then Pia (involuntarily) started throwing herself on him


JW had known that he had killed Kiran. And yet he thought it fit to propose to Pia and later marry Bani, and ill-treat them. Seems to be a rather huge indictment of JW's character. What made him do such a nasty thing overlooking his own past misdeeds?

yes in bit its indictment .but i think he never taken tht incident more than just an accident.he had forgotten tht and even during PR-fiasco he was never guilt ridden only concerned tht bani will be broken if she get to know the truth

The night in Dubai damaged both J-B. But perhaps it devastated JW even more than Bani for the simple reason that while Bani had a lot of emotional support during her trauma, JW was left to fend for himself with possibly only Karuna (and even she may have some hidden agenda) for support. He was in fact meted out some fairly horific treatment by the GFNs. And yet even after he has been found to be innocent, no one-Bani, Maasi, Dadi, Adi, Jigs, Rano, Pushkar- has ever expressed any regret for what was done to JW or offered any healing touch to him. In fact barring perhaps Rano no one has even admitted that what had happened was an attack on JW as well. Why? Is it because he is still considered guilty? Or is it really JW's fault- that he had failed as a hubby/bro/uncle/father/son/friend and so no one has really been able to trust him in the crisis or develop any sense of empathy for him when he was found to be innocent?

a person is bound to fail if he is surrounded wid GFNs. there is long list of people whom he loved trusted but they backstabbed / betrayed him

for example. massi ( i hate tht woman ) u just look a previous video in which he talked to her on phone or he invited PP for dinner
just becoz of massi but wht she did ? during alimony-she conveniently overlooked wht his munna is goin through never ( sab kuch khatam ho gaya , hamesha mere saath hi aisa kyu hota hai ? i can never forget tht painful voice) she performed a shraadh , when she chose to speak it was to make him feel guilt of killin his own child

BANI

Bani first fell for or rather was infatuated with Pushkar. Later of course she fell for JW big time. But interestingly neither JW nor Pushkar fell for her but fell for Pia instead. Why? Was it because Pia is prettier (assume that that is the case without comparing RC/PD's looks)? Or was it because Pia was lively and Bani was serious? Or was it because Bani being so confident did not attract the same interest as damsel-in-distress Pia?

the reason is simple " roses attracts more attention than quieter lilies in first glance " . It has nothing to do wid appearance but attitude . JW fallen for pia's carefree flirting (red pullover etc etc) and puskar was always a branded flirt so vry well matches wid pia(not repto)


Why did she fall in love with JW in spite of his being a horrid hubby to her? Because he was rich and HOT? Was it because of her sanskaars as a good wife? Was it because she appreciated the good side of his personality? Or did she fall in love with him because his sense of hurt at betrayal in love opened her to his softer side?

this is the Q whose answer i would too like to know ? i would like to believe this all was coz of her sanskaar coupled wid opening of softer side of JW to her but not enough facts for tht

Ever since the PR raaz crisis she has never shown any particular trust in JW, whether it was the divorce-alimony- miscarriage fiasco, or the ONS or the Sahil murder case? Why does she so much mistrust the man she claims to and probably loves very much as well? Is it any fault on her part or is it that JW's own actions have hardly inspired any trust in her?

there is no clear xplaination to tht , may be coz she is love her baby-sittin job so much tht she feels JW too needed to be taken care like a child 😉😆😆 for JW's action didnot it was he who supported her throughout alimony-case and in court room


My favourite topic- the Dixits. She abandoned JW and subjected him to substantial emotional torture during the PR crisis and yet once she found out the truth has never regretted her parents actions? Pia has not only destroyed her life but destroyed JW's life on two occasions the second one perhaps more brutally. Yet Bani has never regreted what Pia has done to him. Why? Is it because she still considers JW guilty? Or could it be that whatever love she received has been from her own family which makes her very enamoured of them to side against them for JW's sake. And could be it that very simply JW has never been the kind of husband who could have won her undivided loyalty?

this is the biggest reason tht when started followin ks i was a dixit-camper (JB-camper complusory criteria other camps optional in ks) but switched my loyalty in favour of JW ,the bani is takes JW for granted ,she virtually called him murderer but when it come out tht St. kiran suicided ,she reiterated her mommy " koi bhi galtee....."

JIGYASA/KIDS

She is shown as a frustrated, wicked, cunning but ultimately an incompetent vamp? Why is she like this, was it that she was a wicked person by nature to begin with? Or have her experiences with life embittered her?

again a gud Qs but no clear answer due to incomplete track and character-butcherin ,in start she was a snobby woman whose marriage failed, (ex)husband did not suceeded in terms of money , but come UW-raaz and her involvement in her own father's death shows she was a greedy wicked woman by nature

What is the precise nature of her relationship with her brother? There seems to be little caring and affection between the two. Why is she so estranged from her bro? Is it because she has resented JW's preference for relative outsiders (Adi, Karuna, Pushkar, the Dixits)? Or was it really the other way round- that it was Jigs' selfishness and lack of love and trust which had driven JW to seek solace in others?

it has to be both-sided affair , in parts JW drifted to "outsiders" and in turn jigs turned less carin more money-minded

Regards

Priyanka

PS: I might add a few more questions.


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QUOTE=majumdar]

Right from the time KS has started, it has had an unhappy knack of flitting from one event to another without properly resolving existing issues and leaving behind more riddles than answers. Then again lots of questions/issues which ought to have been raised (for eg. Dixit/Walia/Shukla Parents) were never addressed at all. Particularly the issue of the emotional legacy that parents left behind for their kids. Of course lots of the riddles are downright ridiculous and not worthy of racking our brains. For eg:

Pri, i agree that KS is one serial in which no issue was ever solved finally they were left with no proper storyline.

How come Pia transformed from a silly, selfish woman but caring sister to a rapist?

i don't know pri, but from the first day when i have seen pia i just hated her character as she was shown as a selfish girl and from very beginning it was clear that her character will be one to destroy life of others, may be at that time i though that she won't do anything bad with bani, but i was proved wrong in that, but her style and character was of selfish person who can do anything to get name and fame and can go to the extent of selling her body don't u think her acceptance of marriage to Jw was a also like selling her body to JW so i am not surprised at all about her being a rapist.

    How come Sahil the angootha chhaap statue became the Prof. Moriarty of KS?
  • actually u know destructives could not break JB jodi and they wanted to prove someone as culprit so they turned sahild into bali ka bakra for no reason.

    But there are others which are worth thinking about. Of course we don't have all the facts and a lot of our answers will have to be based on our opinions/prejudices. But let's think about these:

JAI WALIA

JW was a successful tycoon, was engaged briefly to Rosh (probably without any great love on his side) and yet never got married until the age of 40. Why? Was it the breakup of his engagement with Rosh? The knowledge of his role in KD's death? Or was it the unhappy legacy of his parents' marriage?

i think JW was the person who was devoid of any emotions for woman and just used to use them too as commodity and to satisfy his needs that's all and reason for this was unhappy marriage of his parents and that may have left him with the belief that marriage is a useless thing or u can say to some extent he was having UW blood so he just wanted to play with woman.

JW had known that he had killed Kiran. And yet he thought it fit to propose to Pia and later marry Bani, and ill-treat them. Seems to be a rather huge indictment of JW's character. What made him do such a nasty thing overlooking his own past misdeeds?

i think as he was getting old he got attracted to a young girl because of s*x and this was because also pia was very sporty type and she was the one who questioned his lifestyle and i think he has never met anyone who questioned him about his personality and may be just teh fact that someone is interested in his personality and style and wants to change him to a younger personality one made him propose to reptile.

The night in Dubai damaged both J-B. But perhaps it devastated JW even more than Bani for the simple reason that while Bani had a lot of emotional support during her trauma, JW was left to fend for himself with possibly only Karuna (and even she may have some hidden agenda) for support. He was in fact meted out some fairly horific treatment by the GFNs. And yet even after he has been found to be innocent, no one-Bani, Maasi, Dadi, Adi, Jigs, Rano, Pushkar- has ever expressed any regret for what was done to JW or offered any healing touch to him. In fact barring perhaps Rano no one has even admitted that what had happened was an attack on JW as well. Why? Is it because he is still considered guilty? Or is it really JW's fault- that he had failed as a hubby/bro/uncle/father/son/friend and so no one has really been able to trust him in the crisis or develop any sense of empathy for him when he was found to be innocent?

Pri, i still believe that if BANI may not have turned there on karwa chauth night he may have married pia or may have started a relationship with her depending upon circumstances and tell me why we was giving pia signals again and again that she was his first love and bani was not his love, so i think he has totally given up any hopes on his relationship with bani and wanted to start a new relationship and even if pia may not have drugged him he would have fallen in her charms for sure.

pri, don't u think he should have told to bani about ONS on karwa chauth night only before sleeping iwth her and then should have given her right to decide rather than enjoying night with her also and then if he was feeling guilty why post ONS he ssuccumbed to pia's blackmailing and again again claimed that mera bacha mera bacha and kissed that reptile in front of bani and post ONS again and again he gave valid reasons to bani to doubt him. so how can u even think of that bani can start trusting him again just on what karuna told them, but i think it was his duty to explain everything to bani about circumstances of ONS and what pia has done and his being unaware of spending night with her, then i think bani must have shown some emotinal support, but he never explained his side to her.

all GFNs are after his money and now i even doubt maasi and karuna to be together in their game to destroy JW. so i don't have any hopes from them and for jigs she is kalank on sister name.

Bani first fell for or rather was infatuated with Pushkar. Later of course she fell for JW big time. But interestingly neither JW nor Pushkar fell for her but fell for Pia instead. Why? Was it because Pia is prettier (assume that that is the case without comparing RC/PD's looks)? Or was it because Pia was lively and Bani was serious? Or was it because Bani being so confident did not attract the same interest as damsel-in-distress Pia?

bani was a young girl who was looking for a support and friend that she found in pushkar and she started to respect him and his kind behavior lead her to think that he is falling for her and she also thought that she will be happy with such a nice person as she believed him to be a person with high values and character as he never tried to do anything wrong with her and rather saved her on number of occasions. JW and pushkar have both fallen for pia, this was because of her easy access and sporty nature who can be used and thrown away, while bani was shown as a confident person with high morals so Jw has not fallen for him but because of her nature has fallen for pia while for bani he was having respect. does not that means for him pia was something who is not to be given respect and just a toy to play.

for pushkar actually he was used to see girls throwing her on him, but here case was somewhat different and he took this as a challenge and then made biggest mistake of his life by marrying her. even he has not fallen for bani because he just looked at her as a friend and great respect so even for him pia was the one who does not deserve any repect.

Why did she fall in love with JW in spite of his being a horrid hubby to her? Because he was rich and HOT? Was it because of her sanskaars as a good wife? Was it because she appreciated the good side of his personality? Or did she fall in love with him because his sense of hurt at betrayal in love opened her to his softer side?

it was her sanskar and marriage vows, but the biggest reason was that she was able to see the pain he was experiencing because of pia and also she realized that he was a hard man but with a very soft heart and that's why she just wanted to take all his pain away and in due course developed soft feelings for him.

Ever since the PR raaz crisis she has never shown any particular trust in JW, whether it was the divorce-alimony- miscarriage fiasco, or the ONS or the Sahil murder case? Why does she so much mistrust the man she claims to and probably loves very much as well? Is it any fault on her part or is it that JW's own actions have hardly inspired any trust in her?

i think both of them are to be blamed for this as after ONS when bani tried to talk to him to clear misunderstanding he was not in position to talk to her and even now i doubt why he accepted her back in his life when at that time he was so confused about his relationship and so biggest fault was inability to communicate with each other so both of them are responsible for this as they never discussed matters in private but they tend to do everything in public.

My favourite topic- the Dixits. She abandoned JW and subjected him to substantial emotional torture during the PR crisis and yet once she found out the truth has never regretted her parents actions? Pia has not only destroyed her life but destroyed JW's life on two occasions the second one perhaps more brutally. Yet Bani has never regreted what Pia has done to him. Why? Is it because she still considers JW guilty? Or could it be that whatever love she received has been from her own family which makes her very enamoured of them to side against them for JW's sake. And could be it that very simply JW has never been the kind of husband who could have won her undivided loyalty?

i think if Jw has given her time to tell her position just post ONS she may have said about that to him but he was not in a mood to listen to her and it was practically she was throwing herself on him and he was not showing any interest whatsoever in her and her talks, so how do u think that she shld have told him anything. i think pri that bani has still not forget the fact him kissing pia and shouting mera baccha mera baccha and also the words which JW spoke to her when she was mind rest form and was numb and how he treated her in front of press, so i think now she is not able to trurst him totally and just thinks that tali ek haath se nahi bajte hai and both of them are responsible and pia being more for drugging him and my question is when she spent her first night with JW she was also drugged by roshni when she can remember everything about that night and just cannot forget the love she got from her husband that night, how can Jw not able to make out what he was doing with pia.

JIGYASA/KIDS

She is shown as a frustrated, wicked, cunning but ultimately an incompetent vamp? Why is she like this, was it that she was a wicked person by nature to begin with? Or have her experiences with life embittered her?

i think she is frustrated, wicked because of her feeling of insecurity as she never got love of her parents as father was busy with barnali and mother was just waiting for him to return and only loved may be Jw more or may be she was very young to understand anything and she is suffering from insecurity complex and she may have promised herself that she won't let this happen to her children so she wanted to have all the money for her children and just wants to ensure security for them.

What is the precise nature of her relationship with her brother? There seems to be little caring and affection between the two. Why is she so estranged from her bro? Is it because she has resented JW's preference for relative outsiders (Adi, Karuna, Pushkar, the Dixits)? Or was it really the other way round- that it was Jigs' selfishness and lack of love and trust which had driven JW to seek solace in others?

again i must say it was jigs insecurity complex that has lead her to this way. she has made number of mistakes in her life: she got married to adi a completely useless fellow at a young age and then she thought him to only hers but she was not unable to share him with JW or daadi because of her complex but adi was good in developing relations with jw. She treats JW as an enemy because of whom she was devoid of motherly love and also father's property if she may have got 50% of property she may have lived a happy life with adi and her children.

And finally, why did her marriage with Adi break up? Was it plainly because Jigs was a bad woman? Was it because both were very young and immature when they married and could not handle the additional pressure that the kids brought on the relationship? Or was it because Adi could not be as successful and as rich as JW, plainly he couldn't be the man that her Bro was?

she got married to adi a completely useless fellow at a young age and then she thought him to only hers but she was not unable to share him with JW or daadi because of her complex and that was reason for break up (shear noncompliance and not able to share him with others, but i know she loves him deeply and this she has proved a number of time.

All their kids seem to be fairly maladjusted individuals. Was it that their unhappy marriage had never allowed them to mature as individuals or simply poor genetics or just plain bad luck?

i think that it was due to the fact that they have always thought that they will be having total walia empire that day and also because of relationship of their parents they are maladjusted people.

Ranveer had wanted to become a brahmachari and seemed to be a bit of a misogynist. Why? Just a randome inspiration in childhood or had his parents bad example created a revulsion towards matrimony and women in him?

i think this was because of his parents, but Pri do u really think he was brahmachari, do u think after taking brahmachari vrath someone can sleep with whores. if i am wrong correct me if i remember completely there was a woman who was shown to come to hotel in his room and then spending her time with him (the one who filed case against pushkar for rape and later helped bani) as far as i remember she told bani u don't know with whom i am having relationship or rishta in this hotel otherwise u may not have come into my way.

Regards

Priyanka

Pri,

just love ur post dear and this is for the first time i am answering questions on DOTW or MOTW as i just loved ur questions and i know u will just hate me for my answers as uaual.😉

swati

PS: I might add a few more questions.

Edited by swatinarang - 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: majumdar

Right from the time KS has started, it has had an unhappy knack of flitting from one event to another without properly resolving existing issues and leaving behind more riddles than answers. Then again lots of questions/issues which ought to have been raised (for eg. Dixit/Walia/Shukla Parents) were never addressed at all. Particularly the issue of the emotional legacy that parents left behind for their kids. Of course lots of the riddles are downright ridiculous and not worthy of racking our brains. For eg:

    How come Pia transformed from a silly, selfish woman but caring sister to a rapist?
  • How come Sahil the angootha chhaap statue became the Prof. Moriarty of KS?

For all the questions stated above and m0re, we can only blame the creqatives, KS is the only drama in which the creative head left in the middle when the story was ij its developing stages, the dialogue wirter left, for an other show, then the director left, etc etc.

So the main people behind the sucess and consistency in the storyline needed all left and the new people who came in instead of improving and making KS interesting bunggled the job so badly that KS is left bleeding and tortured and is in the ICU, needing immediate intelligent expert care to bring it back to life.

But there are others which are worth thinking about. Of course we don't have all the facts and a lot of our answers will have to be based on our opinions/prejudices. But let's think about these:

JAI WALIA

JW was a successful tycoon, was engaged briefly to Rosh (probably without any great love on his side) and yet never got married until the age of 40. Why? Was it the breakup of his engagement with Rosh? The knowledge of his role in KD's death? Or was it the unhappy legacy of his parents' marriage?

I beleive he never got married because of the unhappy marrige between his parents, the unhappy legacy left by his parents and mainly because of his workaholic nature and no trust in love as Roshni too put him over her career. So all these factors made him shy away for the Institution of Marriage.

JW had known that he had killed Kiran. And yet he thought it fit to propose to Pia and later marry Bani, and ill-treat them. Seems to be a rather huge indictment of JW's character. What made him do such a nasty thing overlooking his own past misdeeds?

Yes, definitley a huge indicemnet of his character or maybe lust ruled over brains as it does in the majority of male cases be he 16 or 80😉😆. Or it could be that he considered the accident and accident, and nothing more then that.

The night in Dubai damaged both J-B. But perhaps it devastated JW even more than Bani for the simple reason that while Bani had a lot of emotional support during her trauma, JW was left to fend for himself with possibly only Karuna (and even she may have some hidden agenda) for support. He was in fact meted out some fairly horific treatment by the GFNs. And yet even after he has been found to be innocent, no one-Bani, Maasi, Dadi, Adi, Jigs, Rano, Pushkar- has ever expressed any regret for what was done to JW or offered any healing touch to him. In fact barring perhaps Rano no one has even admitted that what had happened was an attack on JW as well. Why? Is it because he is still considered guilty? Or is it really JW's fault- that he had failed as a hubby/bro/uncle/father/son/friend and so no one has really been able to trust him in the crisis or develop any sense of empathy for him when he was found to be innocent?

Or maybe all of the GFN are embarrsed to face a man that has been raped.!!! Easy to consule a raped woman maybe ,but consoling a raped man may be a novelty to them and thus they are not sure how to react, behave and thus have completely ignored the issue and have decided to act as nothing at all happened. That Jai Walia was not a victim of Rape at all, but was just druged , used and wronged by his wife sister.

I beleive in his work he got so ingrossed that he missed out on the signs of what his family really are GFN parasites and nothing else, who are living off him as they are so used to the free comfort an luxurious life that his patronage can proived them or is providing them for free.

I personally feel he has been a good, friend, brother, uncle, gardian, husband, father , son etc, but has been very unlucky in all his realtionships as he got the worst possible people surrouding him. No fault of his at all, except falling for Pia and thus bringing the Dixits from the Outhouse to the main house, biggest mistake, ever. He should have given them a house far , far away from him as possible.

BANI

Bani first fell for or rather was infatuated with Pushkar. Later of course she fell for JW big time. But interestingly neither JW nor Pushkar fell for her but fell for Pia instead. Why? Was it because Pia is prettier (assume that that is the case without comparing RC/PD's looks)? Or was it because Pia was lively and Bani was serious? Or was it because Bani being so confident did not attract the same interest as damsel-in-distress Pia?

As I said before men think with their you know what I mean, then their brains or heart. They fall for the looks, the damsel in distress look, the flirting, and the body. Thus both of them falling for her. It had nothing what so ever to do with her personality at all or her inner beauty , as she never had those at all from before. She always made use of her looks, body to attrat men and thus two being no different fell for her as well.

Men have a tendency to ignore a smart, intelligent, confident and modestly dressed woman,over the other skimply dressed, dumb, flirty kind.

And Bani falls in the above category the smart, confident and intelligenct one (before the PR raaz, afte that all her intelligence went flying out the windows)

Why did she fall in love with JW in spite of his being a horrid hubby to her? Because he was rich and HOT? Was it because of her sanskaars as a good wife? Was it because she appreciated the good side of his personality? Or did she fall in love with him because his sense of hurt at betrayal in love opened her to his softer side?

A very good question, maybe it was all of those things , her sanskar, her getting to know him better as she always respected him but started to know him as a good human, and they were very similar in nature as both had to grow up early in life to take care of their siblings, work and take care of the responsibility of their living parents too. Thus their pain, their shared lonliness, hurt, etc brought them closer and she fell in love with him. Definitley not that he was rich or his looks though she is onle lucky woman.

Ever since the PR raaz crisis she has never shown any particular trust in JW, whether it was the divorce-alimony- miscarriage fiasco, or the ONS or the Sahil murder case? Why does she so much mistrust the man she claims to and probably loves very much as well? Is it any fault on her part or is it that JW's own actions have hardly inspired any trust in her?

Thats one question I would love being answered as well. How can a woman who claims to love her husband so much not trust him at all??? Thats one question I really would love the creatives to answer for sure!!! Why???

My favourite topic- the Dixits. She abandoned JW and subjected him to substantial emotional torture during the PR crisis and yet once she found out the truth has never regretted her parents actions? Pia has not only destroyed her life but destroyed JW's life on two occasions the second one perhaps more brutally. Yet Bani has never regreted what Pia has done to him. Why? Is it because she still considers JW guilty? Or could it be that whatever love she received has been from her own family which makes her very enamoured of them to side against them for JW's sake. And could be it that very simply JW has never been the kind of husband who could have won her undivided loyalty?

Aww....tough one dear....😆 just kidding , you answered it dear, shes a Dixit first and formost, her GFN dead parents, Rano who seems to be the only genuine person who truly loves her and her Rapsit, backstabber of a sister seems to love her and more it seems.

Example her parents , KD killing herself by throughing herself in front of a car, -Why not by drinking poison, or jumping of a mountain, or drowning herself in a lake, one may ask, but then the Dixit were an intelligent lot, by throwing oneself in front of a car , she gets killed and makes the driver feel guilt ridden for ever and thus hubby dear can use this information to blackmail him later to take care of her children in time of need. As she already knew her husband was GFN.This and all her lectures, paarvachans from the past shows her how much her mother loved her.

Then the ND, a drunkered who left the running of the house nd the responsibilty of rasing his children on the oldest daughter. Showed his love for her by giving her the responsiblity, putting them in debt and then sending them off to the person unders whose car his wife committed sucide without even telling the eldest daughter that he was wrongfully blamed and that their mother committed sucide by throwing herself in front of his car and he still thinks hes responsibel so you better tell him the truth once you reach there. Thus he showed his love by sending him to that person and safe gaurding their future.

Pia we all know how she sowed how much she loved her sister by Rpaing her husband. That is the best way of showing love.

Rano is the only one who is sane one yet .

JIGYASA/KIDS

She is shown as a frustrated, wicked, cunning but ultimately an incompetent vamp? Why is she like this, was it that she was a wicked person by nature to begin with? Or have her experiences with life embittered her?

Maybe her experience in life embittered her. When she needded love , understanding from her parents the father was busy having an affair , her mother was busy being depressed and ythus died on her and her brother was busy picking up the pieces adn drowned himself in work. Thus no calming or studying influence in life at all, to guide her , to be there for her, showing her right from worng.

What is the precise nature of her relationship with her brother? There seems to be little caring and affection between the two. Why is she so estranged from her bro? Is it because she has resented JW's preference for relative outsiders (Adi, Karuna, Pushkar, the Dixits)? Or was it really the other way round- that it was Jigs' selfishness and lack of love and trust which had driven JW to seek solace in others?

She does care for her brother maybe not as a normal person but she does. She was devastred when Jai faked his own death, then she was the only one to side with her brother during the whole Sharadh fiasco, by telling massi to let him speak, etc.

I beleive they donot share a clsoe realation for the reasons I mentioned above. Lack of commuicationa dntouch will growing up, due to their turbulent past.

And finally, why did her marriage with Adi break up? Was it plainly because Jigs was a bad woman? Was it because both were very young and immature when they married and could not handle the additional pressure that the kids brought on the relationship? Or was it because Adi could not be as successful and as rich as JW, plainly he couldn't be the man that her Bro was?

Maybe because she married very young, and her hubby dear could not live up to her expectations of him being like her brother maybe. She may have married looking for a father figure, some one strong, as stabling influence in her life but Adi was not the right choice maybe.

All their kids seem to be fairly maladjusted individuals. Was it that their unhappy marriage had never allowed them to mature as individuals or simply poor genetics or just plain bad luck?

Unhappy marrige of their parents, theri constant bickering etc.

Ranveer had wanted to become a brahmachari and seemed to be a bit of a misogynist. Why? Just a randome inspiration in childhood or had his parents bad example created a revulsion towards matrimony and women in him?

His parents marrige, and also his grandparents (mothers parents) marriage may have created a revulsion for the Insitution of Marriage.

Regards

Priyanka

PS: I might add a few more questions.

Pri darling,

Loved answering your questions dear alot. Hope you love reading them as well dear.😃

Love

Krishna

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Right from the time KS has started, it has had an unhappy knack of flitting from one event to another without properly resolving existing issues and leaving behind more riddles than answers. Then again lots of questions/issues which ought to have been raised (for eg. Dixit/Walia/Shukla Parents) were never addressed at all. Particularly the issue of the emotional legacy that parents left behind for their kids. Of course lots of the riddles are downright ridiculous and not worthy of racking our brains. For eg:
How come Pia transformed from a silly, selfish woman but caring sister to a rapist?
How come Sahil the angootha chhaap statue became the Prof. Moriarty of KS?
But there are others which are worth thinking about. Of course we don't have all the facts and a lot of our answers will have to be based on our opinions/prejudices. But let's think about these:
JAI WALIA
JW was a successful tycoon, was engaged briefly to Rosh (probably without any great love on his side) and yet never got married until the age of 40. Why? Was it the breakup of his engagement with Rosh? The knowledge of his role in KD's death? Or was it the unhappy legacy of his parents' marriage?

Some of the reasons contributed to him not marrying earlier:
His parents unhappy marriage.
The breakup of his parents marriage shifted the responsibility of the family and business on him.
The relationships with women who are selfish and are only interested in what they gain.

A relationship can only be successful when the two people involved can give equal importance to each other doing things without expecting rewards.


JW had known that he had killed Kiran. And yet he thought it fit to propose to Pia and later marry Bani, and ill-treat them. Seems to be a rather huge indictment of JW's character. What made him do such a nasty thing overlooking his own past misdeeds?

Probably because he thought that they would never come to know that he was involved in the death of their mother. His irrational behavior towards the sister probably as the result of being betrayed by Pai and that too on the wedding day itself, and thinking that Bani lied to protect her sister and married him for money.


The night in Dubai damaged both J-B. But perhaps it devastated JW even more than Bani for the simple reason that while Bani had a lot of emotional support during her trauma, JW was left to fend for himself with possibly only Karuna (and even she may have some hidden agenda) for support. He was in fact meted out some fairly horific treatment by the GFNs. And yet even after he has been found to be innocent, no one-Bani, Maasi, Dadi, Adi, Jigs, Rano, Pushkar- has ever expressed any regret for what was done to JW or offered any healing touch to him. In fact barring perhaps Rano no one has even admitted that what had happened was an attack on JW as well. Why? Is it because he is still considered guilty? Or is it really JW's fault- that he had failed as a hubby/bro/uncle/father/son/friend and so no one has really been able to trust him in the crisis or develop any sense of empathy for him when he was found to be innocent?

In society man is thought to be strong and independent does not need moral support and therefore can fend for himself, whereas a woman being seen as weak creature is given sympathy. But the fact that some women can be as callous as some men is overlooked.


BANI
Bani first fell for or rather was infatuated with Pushkar. Later of course she fell for JW big time. But interestingly neither JW nor Pushkar fell for her but fell for Pia instead. Why? Was it because Pia is prettier (assume that that is the case without comparing RC/PD's looks)? Or was it because Pia was lively and Bani was serious? Or was it because Bani being so confident did not attract the same interest as damsel-in-distress Pia?

Pia attracted attention by being flirty. She was pretty, dressed fashionably and fun to be with whereas Bani being the quiet, traditional and always conscious of how other people would think of her behavior would be ignored.


Why did she fall in love with JW in spite of his being a horrid hubby to her? Because he was rich and HOT? Was it because of her sanskaars as a good wife? Was it because she appreciated the good side of his personality? Or did she fall in love with him because his sense of hurt at betrayal in love opened her to his softer side?

Probably because even the circumstance the wedding took place she was still married to him. She probably felt that he had a right to vent his anger on her and Rano because he had been hurt badly. She also saw the caring side of him with the rest of family especially masi that probably lead for her feelings to change slowly from understanding to love.


Ever since the PR raaz crisis she has never shown any particular trust in JW, whether it was the divorce-alimony- miscarriage fiasco, or the ONS or the Sahil murder case? Why does she so much mistrust the man she claims to and probably loves very much as well? Is it any fault on her part or is it that JW's own actions have hardly inspired any trust in her?

Probably because she felt let down by the people she cared and loved so much.


My favourite topic- the Dixits. She abandoned JW and subjected him to substantial emotional torture during the PR crisis and yet once she found out the truth has never regretted her parents actions? Pia has not only destroyed her life but destroyed JW's life on two occasions the second one perhaps more brutally. Yet Bani has never regreted what Pia has done to him. Why? Is it because she still considers JW guilty? Or could it be that whatever love she received has been from her own family which makes her very enamoured of them to side against them for JW's sake. And could be it that very simply JW has never been the kind of husband who could have won her undivided loyalty?

I think she has never forgiven Pia for what she did to her and JW's relationship, she may not saying it verbally but whatever she has done seems more to be out of duty than loving her. If she is still with JW is because she loves him deeply.


JIGYASA/KIDS
She is shown as a frustrated, wicked, cunning but ultimately an incompetent vamp? Why is she like this, was it that she was a wicked person by nature to begin with? Or have her experiences with life embittered her?
What is the precise nature of her relationship with her brother? There seems to be little caring and affection between the two. Why is she so estranged from her bro? Is it because she has resented JW's preference for relative outsiders (Adi, Karuna, Pushkar, the Dixits)? Or was it really the other way round- that it was Jigs' selfishness and lack of love and trust which had driven JW to seek solace in others?

Jigayasa is very materialistic. Probably growing up in an unstable family enviroment and no one having any influence in the way she behaved has lead to the way she is.


And finally, why did her marriage with Adi break up? Was it plainly because Jigs was a bad woman? Was it because both were very young and immature when they married and could not handle the additional pressure that the kids brought on the relationship? Or was it because Adi could not be as successful and as rich as JW, plainly he couldn't be the man that her Bro was?
Early marriage and having kids too quickly. She could not cope with the demands of marriage and raising a family. If she was used to only thinking of herself than its hard to adjust to needs of others.
All their kids seem to be fairly maladjusted individuals. Was it that their unhappy marriage had never allowed them to mature as individuals or simply poor genetics or just plain bad luck?


Bickering parents does not create a healthy environment to raise good kids.


Ranveer had wanted to become a brahmachari and seemed to be a bit of a misogynist. Why? Just a randome inspiration in childhood or had his parents bad example created a revulsion towards matrimony and women in him?


It's kind of funny that his mother had so much influence in his life and he still wanted to be a bramchari.


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Right from the time KS has started, it has had an unhappy knack of
flitting from one event to another without properly resolving existing
issues and leaving behind more riddles than answers. Then again lots of
questions/issues which ought to have been raised (for eg. Dixit/Walia/
Shukla Parents) were never addressed at all. Particularly the issue of the
emotional legacy that parents left behind for their kids. Of course lots of
the riddles are downright ridiculous and not worthy of racking our brains.
For eg:
The fault entirely lies on the producer here, as we all are
aware that KS changed Creative directors in the middle of the game so
unfortunately the producer is the one at fault here. The KS from the
beginning to now is two different KS. There is no consistency in any
department even the production values are off. The person who had a
vision as to where to take this story was taken out in the middle when the
story was starting to develop and characters were starting to evolve.
Sandip Sikand noticed the chemistry between Jai/Bani onscreen and the
story changed accordingly-(as reported in the papers)--I mean He was
the one responsible to bring the audience the JB jodi. What else can I say?
The audience fell in love with the JB jodi--so now this show despite of all
the bloopers and loopholes still makes it to a decent TRP is solely
because of the JB jodi. Sandid Sikand noticed the chemistry and tested
the jodi out to the viewer and the viewer wholeheartedly accepted the JB
jodi. Alot of credit goes to both the actors in bringing life into these two
characters. And if one thinks about KS about how the JB jodi came into
being one has to wonder and think that fate played a strong role in KS
with the JB jodi...Why would the producer want to tempt with fate by
making KS into something it can never be --the JBPjodi-

How come Pia transformed from a silly, selfish woman but caring sister to
a rapist?
Well the character of Pia would have eventually gone after
Jai Walia. Pia has never viewed her Bani Di as Mrs. Walia. Also, that scene
after Bani goes missing and she confronts JW accusing him of drugging
her Bani Di--That scene can be interpretated as a sister caring scene or I
'd like to interpret it as Pia's disbelief that Bani can be a desirable woman
and that a man like JW and Bani had an intimate relatoinship. She says
that if her Di gets pregnant she'll make sure she gets an abortion...what
kind of a sister would say that to her own sister's husband..that scene
told about an underlying cruel jealousy present in Pia's nature. She just
could not digest the fact that JB had bcome intimate and there was a
relationship forming there. Pia is a vain character frist of all. In the
beginning she is
shown as a flirt and she thinks she is God's gift to men. We see Bani
getting up doing arti and pooja making breakfast for her family-mind you
Pia is not so young that she can't help her sister out. Granted that
incident with the hotel manager when she flirts with him and takes him
shopping and brings gifts for her sisters shows she cares for her sisters
but its all about flirting, getting a man to do something for her--She
craves attention, with her looks and outgoing behaviour. To me if she
really had nothing to hide from her sister and loved her, when JW sent
Bani and Pushkar out to Mount Abu to work on the project in order for
him to propose to Pia, as a sister, Pia should have told her Di about it--
that was so bad when Bani walks into JP engagement like that--the way
she finds out--(JW is at fault here too) But Bani being Bani accepts the
engagement. She even lets Pia know that you are marrying a man who in
order to get engaged to you dumped his own girlfriend --if he can dump
her, he'll dump you too one day. The thing I want to ask the writers of
this show is why are they not making Pia view Bani as Mrs. Walia? Why
can't Pia see that her Bani di is Mrs. Walia? Pia always views her Di as her
Bani Di, not as the wife of Jai Walia.
Now for the rapist part, Is Pia capable of raping her BIL...she was
desperate, Pia would have made sure that while with JW in Dubai, she had
an oppurtunity to sleep with him....as for raping him --no--but seducing
him when drunk..yes...Bc the character was so far gone with her jealousy
and obsession that eventually she would have crossed the line...
The whole ONS trk is so without forethought regarding character
motivations. If they had shown the viewer JW refusing Rakshanda Khan
on June 19, then Pia was nothing for him. If he wanted to sleep with
someone in Dubai, he could have slept with any girl, but JW would never
have slept with his own SIL. I think the only motivation behind the ONS
trk was to have Pia frnt and center in JB lives and throughtout KS by
creating a JPgene with a JBP stryline--and for what reason-is beyond my
grasp.

How come Sahil the angootha chhaap statue became the Prof. Moriarty of
KS?
I don't get this one either, the person in charge of KS is
the only one I suppose to answer this one OR if its all about Jigs wanting
to keep the Walia wealth then she must have let Sahil in on her plan as
Ranveer was now under Raashi's spell. Jigs wants the sisters out of WM.
If Jai Walia gets married and has a child then that child is the official
heir..I really have no idea why Sahilis the mastermind

But there are others which are worth thinking about. Of
course we don't have all the facts and a lot of our answers will have to be
based on our opinions/prejudices. But let's think about these:
JAI WALIA
JW was a successful tycoon, was engaged briefly to Rosh
(probably without any great love on his side) and yet never got married
until the age of 40. Why? Was it the breakup of his engagement with
Rosh? The knowledge of his role in KD's death? Or was it the unhappy
legacy of his parents' marriage?
I have to say he just got so busy in life and the woman he
wanted to marry left him for a career. I am sure the curse of ND haunted
him as well combined with the unhappy legacy of his parents. From what
we have been shown, his father left the family to live with a woman half
his age and Jai Walia was a witness to the tears of his mother, to his
mother awaiting the return of his father, and his father never returned...

JW had known that he had killed Kiran. And yet he
thought it fit to propose to Pia and later marry Bani, and ill-treat them.
Seems to be a rather huge indictment of JW's character. What made him
do such a nasty thing overlooking his own past misdeeds?
The writers fault here. I mean why wasn't it shown in the
beginning that how he was tied to these girls. They could have shown a
scene with him contemplating his past with a glass of scotch in his
hands..

The night in Dubai damaged both J-B. But perhaps it
devastated JW even more than Bani for the simple reason that while Bani
had a lot of emotional support during her trauma, JW was left to fend for
himself with possibly only Karuna (and even she may have some hidden
agenda) for support. He was in fact meted out some fairly horific
treatment by the GFNs. And yet even after he has been found to be
innocent, no one-Bani, Maasi, Dadi, Adi, Jigs, Rano, Pushkar- has ever
expressed any regret for what was done to JW or offered any healing
touch to him. In fact barring perhaps Rano no one has even admitted that
what had happened was an attack on JW as well. Why? Is it because he is
still considered guilty? Or is it really JW's fault- that he had failed as a
hubby/bro/uncle/father/son/friend and so no one has really been able to
trust him in the crisis or develop any sense of empathy for him when he
was found to be innocent?
1-Alright, if we look at all the incidencies that lead to him
taking Pia out to Dubai with him...Granted he did not understand Bani's
behaviour but c'mon he could have hired private investigators to find out
if he thought something doesnt seem right...
2-He kept on telling Pia lines like "pyar tumne kiya, shaadi usne" by this
time he should have been able to tell that Pia was not with her sister Bani
but kept on coming on at him--he is a 40 yr old man, he couldnt tell if a
flirt was making passes at him--touching him, saying I want to share
your lonliness? I don't know why the writers didn't show him to be firm
with Pia during that time. And that phone call he receives from his
lawyer, he never questions that, he could have if he believed in his heart
that Bani was not capable of doing what Jigs had said to him. When he
saw Bani at WM b4 taking Pia with him to Dubai, he saw Bani in the state
she was in --he couldn't tell that Bani was shattered?? Maasi tried to tell
him something but he refused to listen. And when Pia was with him she
wanted him. That whole ONS trk lacks continuity in character motivations
and writing--the only character the trk benfited was the cahracter of Pia

BANI
Bani first fell for or rather was infatuated with Pushkar.
Later of course she fell for JW big time. But interestingly neither JW nor
Pushkar fell for her but fell for Pia instead. Why? Was it because Pia is
prettier (assume that that is the case without comparing RC/PD's looks)?
Or was it because Pia was lively and Bani was serious? Or was it because
Bani being so confident did not attract the same interest as damsel-in-
distress Pia?
1-Pia is a vain character, she needs the attention of men.
Pia is a flirt. They fell for her easy going flirtatious personality. As for JW,
he was in that environment of parties where the models, actresses are
invited. So, she probably looked as if she was a part of that world. But it
was her flirtatious persoanlity that got him attracted. Now why the word
love was used to describe his attraction towards her, beats me.
Plus, he was middle aged man and a young pretty girl who flirts with him
tickled him somewhere.
2-He saw Bani as an employee, as some caretaker to her sisters--he
never saw her as a woman. The same with Pushkar. Pushkar saw Bani as
a friend first but not someone he was attracted to. Same with Pushkar, I
think he saw her as a caretaker to her sisters. Not as a young woman.

Why did she fall in love with JW in spite of his being a
horrid hubby to her? Because he was rich and HOT? Was it because of her
sanskaars as a good wife? Was it because she appreciated the good side
of his personality? Or did she fall in love with him because his sense of
hurt at betrayal in love opened her to his softer side?
The space where love happened for them was the
bedroom. They were in close proximity with each other. It was really well
portrayed JW's desire for her--the sexual tension-JW saw her as a woman,
a desirable woman. As for Bani, she saw a man in pain, and saw that this
horrid man had a good side to him. The side he shared with his Maasi.
Bani has sanskaars, to her she will try to fulfill her duty, always.
Like he aptly puts it to Maasi that Bani made him meet himself. Bani saw
something else in him, she saw the goodness that he tried to shield form
others. Bani could relate to the hurt and pain as she herself was going
experiencing unrequited love with Pushkar. What Bani saw was that JW
was a very lonely man and she could relate to his loneliness as she was a
loner herself.

Ever since the PR raaz crisis she has never shown any
particular trust in JW, whether it was the divorce-alimony- miscarriage
fiasco, or the ONS or the Sahil murder case? Why does she so much
mistrust the man she claims to and probably loves very much as well? Is it
any fault on her part or is it that JW's own actions have hardly inspired
any trust in her?
Bani loves JW. He is her pati parmeshwar. He is her Ram,
her God. (Bani from a teenager has made her own decisions not out of
choice but she had to) Now, I think judging from his past reactions to
situations if Bani had revealed to him about JR-he would have slapped JR
and continued as if nothing was wrong. After all Jigs is his sister.
Now, was JW;s faith in Bani so little that during the div/alimony/abortion
issue, he "believed"Bani to be doing what she was doing just for the sake
of hurting him?--Why didn't he try to find out what was going on himself
if he doubted her behaviour--The writers could have handled this much
better.. Also, Bani might be confused rt now regarding trusting him but
she is trying to trust him...esp. after all he did post ONS and his kiss on
Pia's forehead crying mera bacccha--that is the clincher--Still, Bani is
trying to trust him. As for not letting him know about Sahil's murder-well
that is the writers fault.

My favourite topic- the Dixits. She abandoned JW and
subjected him to substantial emotional torture during the PR crisis and
yet once she found out the truth has never regretted her parents actions?
Pia has not only destroyed her life but destroyed JW's life on two
occasions the second one perhaps more brutally. Yet Bani has never
regreted what Pia has done to him. Why?
My question to the writers here is why have they never
fully explored Bani's role as JW's wife..Why is Pia given so much
importance over JW in Bani's life? It doesn't make sense here except to
keep on giving the character of Pia more importance at the expense of
the two main protagonists.
As for not acknowledging what her parents did to him, that is entirely the
creative directors/writers fault on not following up..

Is it because she still considers
JW guilty? Or could it be that whatever love she received has been from
her own family which makes her very enamoured of them to side against
them for JW's sake. Its only because of her duty as a sister
that she sides with them -As they are all alone in this world, no parents,
she feels more duty bound and responsible for them esp. the Kasam to
her parents binds her to them.

And could be it that very simply JW has never been
the kind of husband who could have won her undivided loyalty?
The husband/wife relationship between JB has never
beeen expolred. They have never really communicated as a husband/
wife. And Bani has never shown making a choice as Mrs. Bani Walia. She
is shown as being Nancy Drew. Never shown as a wife. Why they are
doing this boggles my mind?

As For Jigyasa,
What can one say about a person who witnessed the murder of her own
father and kept her mouth shut when she was bribed.


Regards
Priyanka
PS: I might add a few more questions.
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  • How come Pia transformed from a silly, selfish woman but
    caring sister to a rapist?




  • Pia's prime goal has been to be wealthy and have fame and
    fortune, even now that she has lost her memory, she still claims
    that the grandeur of walia mansion will be hers one day. Does
    she value love? Her attraction to Pushkar was also based on
    the misconception that he was the bearer of gifts like the
    handphone. She was ready to marry Mohan Khandewal when
    Bani refused, all for the sake of money. Suddenly, just before
    the marriage she realizes that love rules over money. But this
    realization is not deep. If she had married for money, then she
    would still have been unhappy and she would have craved for
    Pushkar's love. So, she will be having an illicit affair with him.
    Jai for bank balance, pushkar for love and passion.
    However, if it was the same Pia as she was etched out in the
    beginning, she wouldn't have drugged Jai to sleep with him.
    After all what is the hurry, she knows her sister has sent him the
    divorce papers and signed them, she is under the impression
    that her sister is not in love with Jai walia, Jai keeps repeating
    to her that she was his love and not Bani. The original Pia
    would have continued hitting on him and would have
    eventually ended up as his emotional support but she wouldn't
    have resorted to raping him. She would have waited for him to
    come to her willingly because she is sure of herself and her
    ability to attract the male species. Why did the creatives show
    her as so desperate women that has to have sex to show him
    her love. I need the man with his money before another
    woman pounces on him, I need to make him feel guilty
    because he has slept with me and thus owes me a future?
    Come on, men like JW probably have sexual relations without
    strings attached with ease. So, how would this theory of hers
    worked? Would Pia have chased JW if he had surrendered
    100% of his wealth to Bani? I doubt. Turning her into a rapist
    is not in sync with her character. It only made her look cheap,
    I'll sell my body to get what I want. The same Pia to promised
    Bani that she would never model items that brought shame to
    the family!

    <P align=justify>
  • How come Sahil the angootha chhaap statue became the
    Prof. Moriarty of KS?


  • <P align=justify>

    Simply because the creatives had no other bakra. They
    wanted to show it was an insider job. I think our IF members
    who dreamed up of outsiders like some survivor of Singhania
    clan, a business rival , an old flame (JW could have many of
    them ) stood a better chance of being the culprit.



    <P align=justify>JW had known that he had killed Kiran. And
    yet he thought it fit to propose to Pia and later marry Bani, and
    ill-treat them. Seems to be a rather huge indictment of JW's
    character. What made him do such a nasty thing overlooking
    his own past misdeeds?
    <P align=justify>

    This has no consistency with the character as it was introduced
    much later and thus began all character assasinations. If JW
    had known about the PR accident then I am sure he would
    have apologized to the girls for the accident the first time they
    met and start off in the proper footing. He would have helped
    them financially if they could accept his apologies and accept
    his help. He wouldn't have hid it from them. He had no
    attachment for them but he accepts his part and pays off with
    money afterall that is what makes the world go round. How
    would he know that their father never told them? If anyone
    needs to tell them it is their father. It is now JWs responsibility.
    Yet he is going out of way to help them. How many accident
    causers keep supporting the victims family. They usually give a
    one time payout and the chapter is closed.


    <P align=justify>
    <P align=justify>My favourite topic- the Dixits. She abandoned
    JW and subjected him to substantial emotional torture during
    the PR crisis and yet once she found out the truth has never
    regretted her parents actions? Pia has not only destroyed her
    life but destroyed JW's life on two occasions the second one
    perhaps more brutally. Yet Bani has never regreted what Pia
    has done to him. Why? Is it because she still considers JW
    guilty? Or could it be that whatever love she received has been
    from her own family which makes her very enamoured of them
    to side against them for JW's sake. And could be it that very
    simply JW has never been the kind of husband who could have
    won her undivided loyalty?
    <P align=justify>

    I cannot sympathise with Bani with regards to her treatment of
    Pia. Bani herself was the root cause of this action of Banigiri.
    Her saving her husband's fortune by virtue of a divorce and not
    communicating with him when he is virtually standing in front of
    her door then is the most ridiculous plot I have ever come
    across. If I was so upset with my husband for killing my parents
    I would have left him to handle the betrayal by his own sister
    and nephew, I wouldn't try to be a heroine.
    A sister who at the first opportunity of her BIL supposed being a
    free man shags him so that she can emotionally blackmail him
    should be disowned. Her actions has proved that she is adult
    enough to take care of herself dictate her own life and make
    her own decisions thus she is also fit to accept the
    consequences.
    The creatives have introduced male rape with no inkling how to
    address this issue. All they are showing is that the male is
    responsible for having a sexual liason with a woman. So
    woman go seduce and drug the man of your choice and he will
    pay for it whilst you can go off scot free. Entrapment.



    I am only giving my input on some of the questions. The others
    have been well discussed by the others and I agree with theri
    POV.

    rgds
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    Swati,

    (i know u will just hate me for my answers as uaual.)

    Sorry to disappoint you but I don't. You will have to do something a lot more serious than diss my poor Munna for making me hate you.

    (don't u think her acceptance of marriage to Jw was a also like selling her body to JW)

    In some ways yes. Pia was genuinely a kind of woman who at some point of time would have offered herself to JW or some other interested bidder if she got sufficiently frustrated with Pooch. That would have been no assassination of character, rather a natural progression.

    (so they turned sahild into bali ka bakra for no reason.)

    The choice of bakra is extremely unrealistic. They had a far more convicing bakra, Nattu working behind scenes for his Mom. Or TS had PS been willing to act a negative character.

    (JW was the person who was devoid of any emotions for woman and just used to use them too as commodity and to satisfy his needs )

    This is something which I am afraid is unsubstantiated. There is no evidence that JW was a compulsive womaniser or even flirt. The fact that he turned down Cobra on C-nite suggests that he wasn't. Of course equally surely there is no evidence that what you are saying is not true either. But what we do know for certain is that prior to Pia he may have had three relationships. One with Rosh (both romantic as well as physical, confirmed) Sonali (may have been romantic and also physical, but without any commitment from JW) and Sarlaben (most likely purely non-romantic)

    (if BANI may not have turned there on karwa chauth night he may have married pia or may have started a relationship with her)

    Again, I am not sure of this. If u remember his first words after he left Pia's room "Itni badi galte kaise ho gayee" these words were spoken EVEN B4 Bani had entered his room. Which suggests that he considered the dalliance a mistake. Had Bani never found out the tape and decided to go back to him, it would have been over for J-B. In that case, honestly I wouldn't have seen anything wrong if J-P had got back together (not that Munna would have done anything of that sort).

    (giving pia signals again and again that she was his first love and bani was not his love)

    I don't think he would have needed to give any signal, he could have seduced her the very night she had turned up at WM after leaving Pooch. Assuming that he didn't only for Krishna's sake, what prevented him from seducing Pia after he had found out that Bani had "aborted" his baby?

    (don't u think he should have told to bani about ONS on karwa chauth night only before sleeping iwth her)

    Ideally, yes. But he was caught in an extremely difficult position. Bani had reaffirmed her love for him and decided to reclaim her wedding vows on KC nite. It would have been a huge heartbreak for Bani. And also a selfish interest for JW, losing a woman who he geniunely loved. A wrong decision overall, but again a very difficult situation for him, if that is any defence.

    (if he was feeling guilty why post ONS he ssuccumbed to pia's blackmailing)

    To prevent her from kholoing his poll thus achieveing two things:

    Breaking Bani's heart.
    And causing him to lose Bani.
    (he gave valid reasons to bani to doubt him. )

    Absoutely. But he also did a lot after that to atone for his misdeeds:

    Taking her out of fire, saving her from rioteers in Ghatkopar.
    Disowing Pia and HIS KID after he found that he had been raped.
    Handing over his entire property to Bani.
    Stoically accepting the punishment handed out to him by St. Billo and the GFNs.

    And yet she still thinks that Mr. Walia is betraying him. And now after knowing everything she is still sheltering his rapist.

    (i think if Jw has given her time to tell her position just post ONS she may have said about that to him but he was not in a mood to listen to her)

    Here I don't quite agree with you. She has never felt a wee bit apologetic for her parents actions going by her reverence for them. And had JW given her the time, shoe would have explained the divorce-alimony-miscarriage thing but never regretted her parents actions.

    (bani has still not forget the fact him kissing pia and shouting mera baccha mera baccha)

    But she has to ask herself, why he has disowned Pia and her kid now.

    (words which JW spoke to her when she was mind rest form and was numb and how he treated her in front of press)

    Yes, but if she has any brains, she would have figured out by now that the whole thing was a charade of some sorts to get her out of shock. So why persist in distrusting him now?

    (how can Jw not able to make out what he was doing with pia.)

    It would depend on exactly what drug was administered to him and how much of it. May have been diff from what Cobra gave him. Besides, of course it is still extremely like that nothing happened that nite except Munna passing out with ILU Bani on his lips.

    Rgds,

    Pri

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