Muqaddar, Qazi & Test of Love..IMP NOTE PG 14 - Page 12

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Posted: 11 years ago
Thanks Sangeeta for collecting all the info and Annu for the link...
The main thing is again if the Monday nikaah process is just extension of community nikaah, then whole discussion of Wali is mute point. The walid's name will be wrong on the contract, so has no value and so does talaknama. Lets wait till Monday.
And yes, this rate we will definitely PHd in Islam by end of QH..
The forum is showing lesser resentment now, most are looking forward and accepted the current track and future is totally unexpected that makes it even more exciting.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: beekay1


🤣 Thanks for clarifying.


Couldn't dilshad count? Cause she considers her family and basically has been her guardian in appi jijus absense
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: LaVita-E-Bella


Reposted what I wrote on my post..just in case lol:

Yes a wali can not be connected to the groom's family because there is a conflict of interest there, but it can be any other male, usually an Imam/Qazi. The Imam is able to act as Zoya's wali in this case.
Zeenat can not be the wali because it has to be male, but Anwar is her wali. He is not present at the moment though, and in place she could get someone else to act as her Wali. Islamically he does not have to be a legal parent/gaurdian. If Ghafoor was revealed he could be her Wali. The wali is still valid, yes the father/foster father should still try to be there, but if circumstances are such, then the Wali assigned can still be valid. Of course the smartest and easiest thing would be for Anwar to arrive there but this is a show lol. I think at this point we all just have to wait for everything to air.
Also Ayaan and Humaira's "nikkah" was legal through forms of paper, but invalid not only because of the date but also both were unaware what they were signing and at the time Ayaan was not happy with the marriage.
This is the biggest and MOST important thing of a marriage. It has to be consented from both parties on their OWN terms.

I honestly don't know what message Gul has here because she hasn't been clear about that. But I'm waiting to see how she plays this whole thing out. Where was the Qazi in the beginning of the show from the Akram wedding, he would've told all of them lol. Everything else in the nikkah can usually be worked out, but you can't get around the consent of both parties.

It's funny I was talking to one of my friends and she made a very valid point. She laughed and said "Ha ha, well it's tv so they can totally make up an invalid nikkah :P" and she has a point. But its hard not to take some things especially such as this seriously. I think we're all so pressed about this nikkah not being valid/invalid (other than of course most of us wanting to clear up the misconceptions on how the nikkah process is done) is because we really don't want Ayaan and Zoya to be married and a way for Zoya to come back to Asad lol. And after thinking about it, this stuff happens in real life too. Many Muslim families go about Nikkah ceremony and so many things can be considered invalid or valid in the process (maybe this is what Gul is trying to show). I think we also have to remember that Gul may not have been raised the way many other Muslims were. I'm not saying that excuses her because she should definitely research and get it right, but she may show something the way she was brought up with it and think its right, and often this is the case in reality.


you are right Lavita. Eventually, it boils down to what Gul wants to show...as someone mentioned on your post that even Imran Najma's nikaah was technically invalid. We should just let the tracks unfold as Gul has visualized them. 😊

Even in Hinduism there is so much variation in wedding ceremonies

I guess the main problem with Zoyaan nikaah is the lack of mutual consent...that's they key point in the validity of the nikaah. Wish the elders could have said something about that...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: -Shayari-


Couldn't dilshad count? Cause she considers her family and basically has been her guardian in appi jijus absense


Dilshad can't be the wali because of conflict of interest as Lavita mentioned above
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: bheegi


you are right Lavita. Eventually, it boils down to what Gul wants to show...as someone mentioned on your post that even Imran Najma's nikaah was technically invalid. We should just let the tracks unfold as Gul has visualized them. 😊

Even in Hinduism there is so much variation in wedding ceremonies

I guess the main problem with Zoyaan nikaah is the lack of mutual consent...that's they key point in the validity of the nikaah. Wish the elders could have said something about that...


Yup, I went to Islamic school and Sunday school for years, and have gained a lot of information over the years. From what I've learned and discussions that I've had with many people, there are always debates and difference of opinions from many scholars. Not only that, but there are many grey areas as well. People can take the smallest of things and invalidate things such as this, or even validate it. And in the end it always depends on the situation being presented. You always act upon what situation is in front of you.
But I'm kinda confused about the Najma and Imran nikkah. Maybe I missed something, but how is their nikkah invalid?
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Posted: 11 years ago
If the wali isn't present or could not be present, the marriage would be acceptable if he has already given his consent to the Nikah. Aapi Jeeju would have had no issue with AsYa's nikah so most probably they would have had consented to it already and hence, their presence wasn't necessary.

This is one other reason why ZoyAan is invalid. 😊


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Posted: 11 years ago
Bheegs : feedback here but have patience it's a long post lol

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3746535

Would love ur thoughts if u have time

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