Living in denial! - Page 17

Created

Last reply

Replies

167

Views

12.8k

Users

22

Likes

534

Frequent Posters

sashashyam thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 12 years ago

My dear Nikita,

You flatter me, my dear, but the admiration is reciprocal. I hope you did not miss my last post on that other thread where I was, as usual, completely off topic, discussing Jodha Akbar instead of PR! It was to explain why I remembered my exchanges with you on my rather acerbic thread on Vishnu/Soham. Incidentally, look at him yesterday! His sisters is the object of obnoxious comments and he should do nothing, and must get beaten up to boot! It is plain nuts.

Equally, and undoubtedly unintentionally comic was Purvi telling Onir that she worshipped him like a Bhagwan. I did not know that bhakts made their bhagwan sleep on the floor while they themselves snuggled comfortably into a soft bed, or that they did not even worry about how the bhagwan would cope after being destroyed professionally thanks to the bhakt.

Well, that is enough to ensure that this is not off topic!

About Kai Po Che, to do a proper review for you, I would have to watch it again without interruptions late at night (I can do it, as I have it on DVD off a Showcase screening on Tatasky) . But my preliminary and necessarily brief comments would be that I found Sushant very, very promising, but I also felt that the hype about the film itself was a bit too much.

But to be fair to it, KPC is not pretentious, with endless, incomprehensible stretches of dim passageways and mysterious confabulations that end in nothing very exciting, like, say, Shanghai, which was so highly rated by the critics. KPC is very clear and is easily understood, which must have helped it in the small towns and the villages.

It is in fact a very good, competent film, which does not wander away too much from the central thread - of cricket, or sports in general, as a sure escape route from poverty, entwined with the other theme of communal violence, its causes, and how it can be defused. And it deals with both is a manner free of inbuilt prejudices, and with a degree of understanding for where the unpopular side is coming from.

The weakest point about most films/writing about the 2002 riots in Gujarat has been the almost total sidelining and disregard of the trigger, the arson attack on the train and the burning alive of so many, including a large number of women and children who were trapped in their compartment. It was as if their horrible death did not matter at all. One Indian politician actually claimed that the fire was set deliberately and they, in effect, were burned to death by their own party! The result was that even moderate, objective viewers were put off and Gujaratis as a whole were alienated by what they saw as unwarranted targetting of them as a State.

Every right thinking person must unequivocally condemn the rioting and the carnage that followed, but to blank out the dead of the train arson is inexcusable as well.

Kai Po Che does not make these glaring mistakes, and the bitter anguish caused to the families of those who were murdered in the train fire is brought out well. Even Omi, who turns into a murderous rioter, with extreme hatred being stirred up in him by his terrible personal loss in the burning of the train, is not pushed beyond the pale of humanity. One does not know if his transformation – with this hatred being extinguished when he pulls the trigger and kills a man - would have been th same if the person he shoots and kills had not been Ishaan. But the fact is that the fire of hatred within him is doused, and he is so transformed that he does not escape, as he could have done, but faces a trial and takes his punishment. He is thus fully redeemed. The way in which Ishaan's family accepts him and his prayasachit is also heartwarming.

I loved all the three young men – Ishaan, Omi, and Govind- and also Ali, the grave, withdrawn little Muslim boy who becomes a famous cricketer and finally fulfils the dream that Ishaan had for him. I liked it that he is no pushover for cricket and has to be won over. The whole ambience of his home and his family - his obdurate father, his stepmother and stepsiblings - is spot on. As is the resistance he faces when trying to take up sports. Even middle class parents would have, till recently, been very reluctant to have their kids go in for sports, even cricket, as a career. The reluctance of the school authorities to spend on sports facilities is typical, and understandable, for the parents of many of their students would complain if their children spent a lot of time on sports!

I was surprised and pleased that the rooftop tryst between Govind and Vidya (which I found odd, to say the least, and personally speaking. distasteful) did not result is a 'pavitra bachcha'. As I wrote earlier on this thread, in TV land, there seem to be only two kinds of women. One jo kabhi maa nahin ban sakti (especially if she had earlier committed the 'mortal sin' of getting an abortion). and the second who produces kids with alarming alacrity, like Kunti having Karna. It was such a nice change to have Vidya NOT expecting a kid. As was the very novel way in which Ishaan finds out about the escapade !

I loved the way in which cricket, and the pulsating excitement that pervades the dusty streets of a mofussil town whenever India is on the verge of winning big, is woven into the fabric of the narrative. And the surging tide of joy when it does, a joy that breaks all barriers, of class, creed and everything else. The last time I saw this done as well was 12 years ago, in Aamir Khan's very different Lagaan.

So, one arrives finally at Sushant Singh Rajput. The boy is a natural before any camera, with an unaffected spontaneity that belies the fact that he is a beginner in films. He can cover the whole gamut of emotions – exasperation, anger, gaiety, enthusiasm,passion, hilarity – without letting the effort behind it all show. He thus makes every scene look easy, but one knows that it is not easy. He carries the film, despite having no more footage than the other two and no romantic interest either, because he has that intangible gift: presence. And charisma. When Ishaan lies there, his eyes wide open and glassy in death, my breath was caught in my throat and I felt as if I had been punched in the stomach. It was so unexpected, and so very low key - no weeping or wailing and no dramatic closeups – and yet the impact was terrific.

No wonder that Sushant is getting films from very prestigious banners, and that is necessary to him to break into the top grade. Plus he has bagged the ultimate accolade, a Pepsi commercial all to himself!

In spite of all that I liked about this film, and as you can see that is a lot, it still was faintly disappointing. I felt that there was more that could have been done, which would have heightened the impact of the serious part of the film, the one about the communal angle. But perhaps that was deliberate, to make the film broadly appealing, and not one for a niche audience that would be interested in 2002 Gujarat alone. That is why Kai Po Che has been a success commercially as well, for its message is like one of those ovoid, sugarcoated capsules that slip down the throat without the least hassle. But the message does get home.

Well, my dear Nikita, I hope you are still with me. As usual, I have gone on and on and on, and this is longer than any review should be, for all that I meant it to be brief comments! Brief? !?😉😉But at least I do not need to do any more. I had no idea I had retained so much of the film That says something about it, does it not?

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: nikitagmc

@Shyamala Aunty: Offtopic but could not resist after reading your post above. Have you watched Kai Po Che? :D What did you think about it? Would love to read a review of the film and its characters by you, you write so very well.

nikitagmc thumbnail
16th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Nikita,

You flatter me, my dear, but the admiration is reciprocal. I hope you did not miss my last post on that other thread where I was, as usual, completely off topic, discussing Jodha Akbar instead of PR! It was to explain why I remembered my exchanges with you on my rather acerbic thread on Vishnu/Soham. Incidentally, look at him yesterday! His sisters is the object of obnoxious comments and he should do nothing, and must get beaten up to boot! It is plain nuts.Oh yes, I did read that one.. it was so sweet of you to praise those ramblings of mine.. it was less though.. in the PR of 2009-10 I used to discuss and debate (usually with Kools) for pages and pages, so much that people used to call me Manav's lawyer😆. Of course, with Ekta's tracks, you can never defend one character for long (she butchers every character equally) and have to constantly desert your favourite inspite of your adoration for him.😳

I did see that Soham-Teju scene yesterday, then they ruined it by Soham taking those beatings. At some point I felt Soham would remember his Maayi or someone else having taught him something about not tolerating such treatment if you havent done anything wrong and fighting it out. But in PR land, such 'tolerance' is the one which will be praised to the skies. 🤢

I would have rather much preferred to see Soham Teju bashing the gundas together and then hollering out aloud about their victory.😃


Equally, and undoubtedly unintentionally comic was Purvi telling Onir that she worshipped him like a Bhagwan. I did not know that bhakts made their bhagwan sleep on the floor while they themselves snuggled comfortably into a soft bed, or that they did not even worry about how the bhagwan would cope after being destroyed professionally thanks to the bhakt.

Well, that is enough to ensure that this is not off topic!😆

About Kai Po Che, to do a proper review for you, I would have to watch it again without interruptions late at night (I can do it, as I have it on DVD off a Showcase screening on Tatasky) . But my preliminary and necessarily brief comments would be that I found Sushant very, very promising, but I also felt that the hype about the film itself was a bit too much.

But to be fair to it, KPC is not pretentious, with endless, incomprehensible stretches of dim passageways and mysterious confabulations that end in nothing very exciting, like, say, Shanghai, which was so highly rated by the critics. KPC is very clear and is easily understood, which must have helped it in the small towns and the villages.

It is in fact a very good, competent film, which does not wander away too much from the central thread - of cricket, or sports in general, as a sure escape route from poverty, entwined with the other theme of communal violence, its causes, and how it can be defused. And it deals with both is a manner free of inbuilt prejudices, and with a degree of understanding for where the unpopular side is coming from.

The weakest point about most films/writing about the 2002 riots in Gujarat has been the almost total sidelining and disregard of the trigger, the arson attack on the train and the burning alive of so many, including a large number of women and children who were trapped in their compartment. It was as if their horrible death did not matter at all. One Indian politician actually claimed that the fire was set deliberately and they, in effect, were burned to death by their own party! The result was that even moderate, objective viewers were put off and Gujaratis as a whole were alienated by what they saw as unwarranted targetting of them as a State.

Every right thinking person must unequivocally condemn the rioting and the carnage that followed, but to blank out the dead of the train arson is inexcusable as well.

Kai Po Che does not make these glaring mistakes, and the bitter anguish caused to the families of those who were murdered in the train fire is brought out well. Even Omi, who turns into a murderous rioter, with extreme hatred being stirred up in him by his terrible personal loss in the burning of the train, is not pushed beyond the pale of humanity. One does not know if his transformation ' with this hatred being extinguished when he pulls the trigger and kills a man - would have been th same if the person he shoots and kills had not been Ishaan. But the fact is that the fire of hatred within him is doused, and he is so transformed that he does not escape, as he could have done, but faces a trial and takes his punishment. He is thus fully redeemed. The way in which Ishaan's family accepts him and his prayasachit is also heartwarming.👏👏👏 Excellent point and I totally agree. I too think they approached it in a good way, by just painting a picture of the whole scenario, showing both sides but not passin an obvious judgement on it . This way, not only did they ensure that the film focussed only on the bromance of the guys and did not become too grim for mainstream audience, but also avoided controversy which usually plagues films made on such issues.

Regarding the ending, I was personally down initially after I'd returned from the film (with big tears rolling down my face when Ishaan gets shot.😭) I really did not understand why Abhishek Kapoor and the team had opted for this twist when they could have done so many other things, but then realised that this was probably the only ending which could have stopped Omi at that point of mad anger. Having lost his parents and in such vengeance, he had no fear of the law, morality or even God- he would have killed Ali or any other Muslim come what may. Ishaan's unexpected death and the realisation that he was responsible for it totally sent him into shock, anger got sidelined, finally turning into guilt and sadness and then seeking penance along with the realisation that he could not punish innocent folks for the death of his parents, and finally accepted Ali just as well.

I loved all the three young men ' Ishaan, Omi, and Govind- and also Ali, the grave, withdrawn little Muslim boy who becomes a famous cricketer and finally fulfils the dream that Ishaan had for him. I liked it that he is no pushover for cricket and has to be won over. The whole ambience of his home and his family - his obdurate father, his stepmother and stepsiblings - is spot on. As is the resistance he faces when trying to take up sports. Even middle class parents would have, till recently, been very reluctant to have their kids go in for sports, even cricket, as a career. The reluctance of the school authorities to spend on sports facilities is typical, and understandable, for the parents of many of their students would complain if their children spent a lot of time on sports!

I was surprised and pleased that the rooftop tryst between Govind and Vidya (which I found odd, to say the least, and personally speaking. distasteful) did not result is a 'pavitra bachcha'.😆😆😆 TV does influence our minds in multiple ways. As I wrote earlier on this thread, in TV land, there seem to be only two kinds of women. One jo kabhi maa nahin ban sakti (especially if she had earlier committed the 'mortal sin' of getting an abortion). and the second who produces kids with alarming alacrity, like Kunti having Karna. It was such a nice change to have Vidya NOT expecting a kid. As was the very novel way in which Ishaan finds out about the escapade !

I loved the way in which cricket, and the pulsating excitement that pervades the dusty streets of a mofussil town whenever India is on the verge of winning big, is woven into the fabric of the narrative. And the surging tide of joy when it does, a joy that breaks all barriers, of class, creed and everything else. The last time I saw this done as well was 12 years ago, in Aamir Khan's very different Lagaan.

So, one arrives finally at Sushant Singh Rajput. The boy is a natural before any camera, with an unaffected spontaneity that belies the fact that he is a beginner in films. He can cover the whole gamut of emotions ' exasperation, anger, gaiety, enthusiasm,passion, hilarity ' without letting the effort behind it all show. He thus makes every scene look easy, but one knows that it is not easy. He carries the film, despite having no more footage than the other two and no romantic interest either, because he has that intangible gift: presence. And charisma. When Ishaan lies there, his eyes wide open and glassy in death, my breath was caught in my throat and I felt as if I had been punched in the stomach. It was so unexpected, and so very low key - no weeping or wailing and no dramatic closeups ' and yet the impact was terrific.😭 Khushi ke ansooo!!😳😳😳

No wonder that Sushant is getting films from very prestigious banners, and that is necessary to him to break into the top grade. Plus he has bagged the ultimate accolade, a Pepsi commercial all to himself!

In spite of all that I liked about this film, and as you can see that is a lot, it still was faintly disappointing. I felt that there was more that could have been done, which would have heightened the impact of the serious part of the film, the one about the communal angle. But perhaps that was deliberate, to make the film broadly appealing, and not one for a niche audience that would be interested in 2002 Gujarat alone. That is why Kai Po Che has been a success commercially as well, for its message is like one of those ovoid, sugarcoated capsules that slip down the throat without the least hassle. But the message does get home.

Well, my dear Nikita, I hope you are still with me. As usual, I have gone on and on and on, and this is longer than any review should be, for all that I meant it to be brief comments! Brief? !?😉😉But at least I do not need to do any more. I had no idea I had retained so much of the film That says something about it, does it not? It does! And no it wasn't tiresome to read at all, rather I loved the review. Thankyou so much for writing this one!🤗🤗

Shyamala Aunty


sashashyam thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 12 years ago

The curious thing is that I know Khaled Hosseini well as a political analyst on his native Afghanistan, which is of course a subject of great professional interest for me.

It was only when I was just reading an article by him with the title "Afghanistan gains must not be lost" that, lo and behold, at very end there was a note that he was the author of The Kite Runner, and A Thousand Splendid Suns, and that his latest is And the Mountains Echoed. Maybe that is the one you are reading now.

I have not read the novel, but I saw the film The Kite Runner. I wonder if it is close to the book.

Incidentally, here is the website coordinates for my July 15, 2002 review of Devdas, the one that rediff pulled after 4 days when they realised that they were meant to be promoting the film. I was only surprised that they did not get wise to it earlier! It will amuse you.

file:///C:/Users/Shyamala/Films/IndividualFilms/My%20Devdas%20Review.htm

Shyamala B.Cowsik


Originally posted by: sharadrocks

@sashashyam


Thank you so much for responding in such detail. I feel humbled by your efforts to be honest!

I share your views almost in toto on all the movies that you have referred to. Like you, I appreciate SLB for his aesthetics like I appreciate Ashutosh Gowarikar and Rakeysh Omprakash Mehra for their sincerity , Vishal Bharadwaj for his vision and cinematic language and Anurag Kashyap for his flouting convention. But they all have problems too. Yes, AK does glorify violence as a way of life, which is definitely disturbing.

On SlB's politics, I was of course not referring to larger politics but the intra character politics. I find him a big phoney who likes to pretend that he is intellectual but hardly has any understanding of what he is talking about, I am talking in specific of Black and his last film, Guzaarish. He covers up his lack of perspective with dominating landscapes!

I read anything I can lay hands on. I find Hosseini's books compelling reads. Yes, his characters are dysfunctional but lovingly and compassionately crafted, I like that very much! Although, Jeeves and Calvin are the loves of my life!

soapwatcher1 thumbnail
14th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail
Posted: 12 years ago
Shyamala, have not read And The Mountains Echoed, possess a copy of the other two, couldn't tell you if The Kite Runner the movie was anywhere close to the book 'cos I could not bring myself to watch the movie. Both books left me raw and angry and sad at the unfairness of life.
sashashyam thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 12 years ago
Janhvi,

I agree, and I did not go anywhere near the book after watching the film. I do not know how critics can analyse it with such cool detachment. Perhaps that is one of the necessary conditions for setting up shop as a critic- that the horrors of the human condition do not touch you at all.

You and I are not made of such stern stuff, and so we retreat from The Kite Runner - and, in my case Alexander Solzhenitsyn, whose books - from A day in the life of Ivan Denisovitch to Cancer Ward and the First Circle, I read with great fortitude, till The Gulag Archipelago drove me away, as I simply could not take it any more - to Jane Austen, PG Wodehouse and Harry Potter.The excuse is that those worlds too were real, even the Drones Club, at one point of time.

But we should not have retreated to Pavitra Rishta!! Never mind, it might end suddenly, and release us from the malevolent spell that keeps us in thrall to this masterpiece of mediocrity!😉

Do take a look at my Devdas review. It will tickle your funny bone!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Shyamala, have not read And The Mountains Echoed, possess a copy of the other two, couldn't tell you if The Kite Runner the movie was anywhere close to the book 'cos I could not bring myself to watch the movie. Both books left me raw and angry and sad at the unfairness of life.

Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
Tanyaz thumbnail
15th Anniversary Thumbnail Trailblazer Thumbnail + 5
Posted: 12 years ago
Shyamala dear ...
Loved your review on kai Po Che ..
The weakness that you have pointed out ( not showing the entire picture ) sounds accurate ..Maybe the film makers just didn't want to go that deep in the political side of the events ...they just wanted to show the way the events impacted the three friends ...
I just loved the movie Shyamala ...the message that comes out in the end ' No greater religion than humanity " was something that is so needed in these times ..
The bullet sees no religion, race ...it just kills , can be your worst enemy in front or even someone who is like your brother ...
After watching this film the realization that comes is that we have had enough of the aged super stars ( who only play themselves again and again ) or even the sons or nephews etc of big shots ...
How much we enjoyed the raw talent of all the actors of this film ...
Hope there are more such films in the future ...
Naysayer thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Visit Streak 180 Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 12 years ago

The curious thing is that I know Khaled Hosseini well as a political analyst on his native Afghanistan, which is of course a subject of great professional interest for me.

It was only when I was just reading an article by him with the title "Afghanistan gains must not be lost" that, lo and behold, at very end there was a note that he was the author of The Kite Runner, and A Thousand Splendid Suns, and that his latest is And the Mountains Echoed. Maybe that is the one you are reading now.

I have not read the novel, but I saw the film The Kite Runner. I wonder if it is close to the book.

Incidentally, here is the website coordinates for my July 15, 2002 review of Devdas, the one that rediff pulled after 4 days when they realised that they were meant to be promoting the film. I was only surprised that they did not get wise to it earlier! It will amuse you.

file:///C:/Users/Shyamala/Films/IndividualFilms/My%20Devdas%20Review.htm

Shyamala B.Cowsik



@sashashyam

Sorry for the delayed response.

Yes, I was talking of And the Mountains Echoed. I have not seen the movies though.

Saw your Devdas review. You were more charitable than I would have been. Personally I did not care for any of the performances. They were almost as loud as the colours in the film. I found the film's tone too shrill for my liking. It is rather amusing the way Rediff behaved though 😊
Sakhile thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail
Posted: 12 years ago
I have read The Kite Runner and seen the movie. The book is of course much better than the movie. The book leaves you raw and truly portrays man's inhumanity to man in the most amazingly clear manner. It tells a story so raw yet so graphically that the reader's imagination is fired up and brings out your emotions. You cry at the beginning, the middle and the end. Together with the tissues you don't put the book down until you are done.
The movie on the other hand is rather romanticised and does not portraty all the themes of the book. It is a good movie and does bring the message across albeit less effectively than the book.
Both activities, watching the movie and reading the book, are however time well spent. It educates and enlightens.
Watching PR after such activities is restful on the mind.

Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".