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Isn't there a contradiction in @red? If, as I too feel after I watched yesterday's episode because a friend wanted my views on it, Onir is putting on an act to help Purvi get back with Arjun, then he is not likely to be married to Shalini at all. There is then no question of his having hidden anything from his Mishti-that-was, is there?

In fact, it was clear to me, after running the Arjun-Onir encounter part thru thrice, that Onir was egging Arjun on by the casual arrogance of his remarks about how he liked Purvi and married her, but now that his past had resurfaced, he had to go back to Shalini. There was a deliberateness to what he said and how he said it - ending with the statement, undoubtedly accurate, that neither Shalini nor he owed Arjun any explanation - that admitted of no other explanation.

I wish, however, that he had asked Arjun what his locus standi in the matter was: as Purvi's ex-lover or her current hopeful? It was a pity he did not do that. Archana slapping Onir, or Manav or even Soham pulling him up is logical, but why does Onir need to explain anything to Arjun?

What stayed with me from that scene was the very curious expression on Onir's face after he surfaces from the slap with all the effortless aplomb of Amitabh Bachchan in Bombay to Goa (the scene that got him his first big hit, Zanjeer, and thus his whole career as well), and tells Arjun again, without the slightest awkwardness, Leave! It was somewhat sad and knowing at the same time, and that told me beyond doubt that he was faking all this quite deliberately.

Which is something I detest. I HATE this mahaanta complex, whether in Archana or Purvi or now Onir. Why can people not sit down and talk things over decently and part decently? Onir could have told her: You go back to Arjun as he is now free, and I am tired of a loveless marriage.

She would have gone, for she never really cared for Onir. She simply accepted all he did for her and focussed only on her own interests, viz her parivaar. I used to say that for Purvi, there are only two categories of people. First, those for whom she will do anything: her aai, her aaji and her aai's parivaar. Second. those to whom she will do anything, to protect the interests of the first lot, and Arjun and Onir fit in here.

If she had really cared for Onir, and I am not talking of love, she would never have been able to get over the professional destruction and public shame she has brought down on him, reducing a world renowned doctor to doing manual labour to provide for her and her kid. She would have felt it under her skin every waking moment. But she shakes that off in a jiffy, and all she can bring herself to utter, and that too just once, is Kahin na kahin, iske liye main bhi zimmedar hoon.!! Main bhi?? And by now, she seems to have forgotten all about it.

In all the time that they were together, what has she given him? Not even a proper bed to sleep in, and that too even after she has had the baby. I cannot think of a single thing that Onir gained from marrying this girl, and I can think of a lot that he has lost. Of course it was due to his own folly in indulging every whim of hers regardless of ethics and commonsense, but the fact is that it is he who has become a public pariah for something that was never his idea. Who says anything to her?

Even now, when she believes that Onir has two-timed her, how does that take away all that he did for her when she was expecting the baby, and since? Or the fact that his very highly regarded career and reputation was wrecked for good by her folly?

Or the fact that he never took advantage of her physically, not even when she made advances to him?
But one does not expect her to remember any of that ' in fact she now talks of her not having given him pati ka darja, as if all that makes a man your pati is that physical relationship, not caring or affection or protectiveness. What a cheap concept!

So there is no question of expecting her to talk to him for once and see what he has to say.

The fact is that she is hurt in her amour propre, and in nothing else. She is used to dumping people for a greater bhalaayi, as defined by herself, witness what she did to Arjun on that hilltop, when she betrayed his trust totally and brutally. Now that it seems that she has been dumped, she cannot see beyond that, and she cannot take it.

And yes, I too agree 100% that ArVi (I never used this vegetable terminology in the old days, but it will do just fine now) need to get together pronto. There is no need to bother about Ovi, for the ubiquitous divorce papers are already there, and Onir, after committing professional suicide, has eliminated himself deliberately for their bhalaayi . When I think of how much I used to care for ArVi just a year ago, and how faded and tattered their love story seems to me now, it is enough to make one weep.

Of course, the fat will be in the fire if and when Ovi turns up in 3 months, with another Kirloskar Jr. on the way. Now that should liven things up, and give an lot of grief to all those plumping for the ArVi reunion because they insist that a child, in this case Pari, needs to be with both her biological parents. With another Arjun-Ovi baby on the way, it can hardly be argued that only Pari has this right. What to do then, other than hope that this baby too goes the way of its predecessor, the one that Onir trashed without so much as a by your leave to its mother? Clone Arjun, perhaps?

Oh, well, what is the point of lamenting over this train wreck of a show? As I wrote elsewhere today, my last forlorn hope, that Jodha Akbar would be so successful that it would bump PR up to the 11 pm slot and then out, has been dashed to the ground. So we are stuck with this horror show for a long while yet, and the only thing for me to do is to revert to not watching it..

Starting now, after sending off this one off post.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

PS: It was not a question of Purvi being "honest with Onir about her situation that she's pregnant". He finds that out for himself when he examines her when she is suddenly taken ill at that NGO. What she does tell him, honestly, is that she is not married. She could have pretended that she was a widow, but she does not, and to that extent, she is honest and courageous.

Originally posted by: rayadallie

[I agree. Even if he had confided in purvi when they came to mumbai, purvi would have understood but he choose not to. Onir's opportune time to confide in purvi was when purvi was revealing her past to him. He should have gone on to tell her but his hiding this from her was premeditated. It seem as though he still had hopes about shalini.

Even if he is doing all this act to get purvi reunited with her love, the fact still remains that he is married to shalini and hid that truth from purvi. They dont share a husband and wife relation per se but they are friends and companion.



QUOTE=sk11]Purvi has every right to be upset with Onir. Fact is she was honest with Onir about her situation that she's pregnant. Onir said he didn't care for anything not even her past, he simply liked her and wanted to marry her. So now that onir declares he's still married to his first wife, then how should purvi feel? Just because purvi has made mistakes and isn't perfect doesn't take away from the fact that she's human and is prone to getting hurt and angry also.

I agree Arvi deserve their happy ending.
Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Isn't there a contradiction in @red? If, as I too feel after I watched yesterday's episode because a friend wanted my views on it, Onir is putting on an act to help Purvi get back with Arjun, then he is not likely to be married to Shalini at all. There is then no question of his having hidden anything from his Mishti-that-was, is there?

In fact, it was clear to me, after running the Arjun-Onir encounter part thru thrice, that Onir was egging Arjun on by the casual arrogance of his remarks about how he liked Purvi and married her, but now that his past had resurfaced, he had to go back to Shalini. There was a deliberateness to what he said and how he said it - ending with the statement, undoubtedly accurate, that neither Shalini nor he owed Arjun any explanation - that admitted of no other explanation.

I wish, however, that he had asked Arjun what his locus standi in the matter was: as Purvi's ex-lover or her current hopeful? It was a pity he did not do that. Archana slapping Onir, or Manav or even Soham pulling him up is logical, but why does Onir need to explain anything to Arjun?

What stayed with me from that scene was the very curious expression on Onir's face after he surfaces from the slap with all the effortless aplomb of Amitabh Bachchan in Bombay to Goa (the scene that got him his first big hit, Zanjeer, and thus his whole career as well), and tells Arjun again, without the slightest awkwardness, Leave! It was somewhat sad and knowing at the same time, and that told me beyond doubt that he was faking all this quite deliberately.

Which is something I detest. I HATE this mahaanta complex, whether in Archana or Purvi or now Onir. Why can people not sit down and talk things over decently and part decently? Onir could have told her: You go back to Arjun as he is now free, and I am tired of a loveless marriage.

She would have gone, for she never really cared for Onir. She simply accepted all he did for her and focussed only on her own interests, viz her parivaar. I used to say that for Purvi, there are only two categories of people. First, those for whom she will do anything: her aai, her aaji and her aai's parivaar. Second. those to whom she will do anything, to protect the interests of the first lot, and Arjun and Onir fit in here.

If she had really cared for Onir, and I am not talking of love, she would never have been able to get over the professional destruction and public shame she has brought down on him, reducing a world renowned doctor to doing manual labour to provide for her and her kid. She would have felt it under her skin every waking moment. But she shakes that off in a jiffy, and all she can bring herself to utter, and that too just once, is Kahin na kahin, iske liye main bhi zimmedar hoon.!! Main bhi?? And by now, she seems to have forgotten all about it.

In all the time that they were together, what has she given him? Not even a proper bed to sleep in, and that too even after she has had the baby. I cannot think of a single thing that Onir gained from marrying this girl, and I can think of a lot that he has lost. Of course it was due to his own folly in indulging every whim of hers regardless of ethics and commonsense, but the fact is that it is he who has become a public pariah for something that was never his idea. Who says anything to her?

Even now, when she believes that Onir has two-timed her, how does that take away all that he did for her when she was expecting the baby, and since? Or the fact that his very highly regarded career and reputation was wrecked for good by her folly? Or the fact that he never took advantage of her physically, not even when she made advances to him?

But one does not expect her to remember any of that, or even to talk to him for once and see what he has to say.
This is my main grouse. The way she has forced Arjun-Ovi into an unhappy alliance, controlling Arjun and making him take decisions on her accord, while she herself could not even stand for one minute and hear Onir out. The man, has been nothing short of a messiah in her life. But no, she could not stand him lying about HIS past, when she LIED to him about hers. Except the baby in her tummy, she has not been very true to Onir either. He did not bother about her past, and she NEVER asked him about his. Doesn't that make them equal on that count? She discounts EVERYTHING the man has done in a jiffy, whereas he has only been supporting her everytime one of her new TRUTHS came out. From Vinay, to Arjun to her family, it all unfurled for him in rude shocks and phases, and all he did, was stand by her and support him. But Purvi, lacks decency on many levels. So to expect her to be bigger person and at least hear the man out, was not expected anyway. She keeps herself above EVERYTHING and EVERYONE else. So her feelings matter most.



The fact is that she is hurt in her amour propre, and in nothing else. She is used to dumping people for a greater bhalaayi, as defined by herself, witness what she did to Arjun on that hilltop, when she betrayed his trust totally and brutally. Now that it seems that she has been dumped, she cannot see beyond that, and she cannot take it.

And yes, I too agree 100% that ArVi (I never used this vegetable terminology in the old days, but it will do just fine now) need to get together pronto. There is no need to bother about Ovi, for the ubiquitous divorce papers are already there, and Onir, after committing professional suicide, has eliminated himself deliberately for their bhalaayi . When I think of how much I used to care for ArVi just a year ago, and how faded and tattered their love story seems to me now, it is enough to make one weep.

Of course, the fat will be in the fire if and when Ovi turns up in 3 months, with another Kirloskar Jr. on the way. Now that should liven things up, and give an lot of grief to all those plumping for the ArVi reunion because they insist that a child, in this case Pari, needs to be with both her biological parents. With another Arjun-Ovi baby on the way, it can hardly be argued that only Pari has this right. What to do then, other than hope that this baby too goes the way of its predecessor, the one that Onir trashed without so much as a by your leave to its mother? Clone Arjun, perhaps? This is what I said too. This whole bio parents raising baby logic is so hogwash. If OVi comes back with a baby, are three of them supposed to co-exist together with all of Arjun's babies from two women ?

Oh, well, what is the point of lamenting over this train wreck of a show? As I wrote elsewhere today, my last forlorn hope, that Jodha Akbar would be so successful that it would bump PR up to the 11 pm slot and then out, has been dashed to the ground. So we are stuck with this horror show for a long while yet, and the only thing for me to do is to revert to not watching it..

Starting now, after sending off this one off post.

Shyamala B.Cowsik



Shyamala aunty,

Brilliant post! Pointing out everything that is wrong with this sudden 180 twist in story. And the glorification of purvi, in spite of all that has transpired thanks to her.

What is absurd is, she still does not acknowledge how she lied to him too about her past, how he lost his medical license due to her and how he has only been supportive, when no one else has been. Whether it was Sulo throwing her out, and Onir giving it back to Sulo for her sake, or whether it was slapping Arjun, assuming him to have left her high and dry. Even for a dimwit, it would have been questionable for simply taking on face value that Onir lied about such a big deal.

She tells all to Gauri, but not her role in this whole thing. OVi being engaged to Arjun before, her swapping of babies idea, Onir losing his medical license,..Zilch. Instead she talks about Ovi-Arjun';s divorce which is a private matter, like some gossip.

And if Onir is doing this to re-unite the jeeja-saali duo, I have little respect for him. Be a man, talk to your wife and tell her to go back to her lover, if she so desires. But to play this card is simply not manning up to the truth. And this makes the amar-prem re-union truly one to walk over a good man who was a messiah in her life. And after calling herself the reason for Ovi's unhappiness, to go ahead and marry her ex-husband, would be as shameless and stupid. But then, can you expect anything other than that from Purvi?




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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Isn't there a contradiction in @red? If, as I too feel after I watched yesterday's episode because a friend wanted my views on it, Onir is putting on an act to help Purvi get back with Arjun, then he is not likely to be married to Shalini at all. There is then no question of his having hidden anything from his Mishti-that-was, is there?

In fact, it was clear to me, after running the Arjun-Onir encounter part thru thrice, that Onir was egging Arjun on by the casual arrogance of his remarks about how he liked Purvi and married her, but now that his past had resurfaced, he had to go back to Shalini. There was a deliberateness to what he said and how he said it - ending with the statement, undoubtedly accurate, that neither Shalini nor he owed Arjun any explanation - that admitted of no other explanation.

I wish, however, that he had asked Arjun what his locus standi in the matter was: as Purvi's ex-lover or her current hopeful? It was a pity he did not do that. Archana slapping Onir, or Manav or even Soham pulling him up is logical, but why does Onir need to explain anything to Arjun?

What stayed with me from that scene was the very curious expression on Onir's face after he surfaces from the slap with all the effortless aplomb of Amitabh Bachchan in Bombay to Goa (the scene that got him his first big hit, Zanjeer, and thus his whole career as well), and tells Arjun again, without the slightest awkwardness, Leave! It was somewhat sad and knowing at the same time, and that told me beyond doubt that he was faking all this quite deliberately.

Which is something I detest. I HATE this mahaanta complex, whether in Archana or Purvi or now Onir. Why can people not sit down and talk things over decently and part decently? Onir could have told her: You go back to Arjun as he is now free, and I am tired of a loveless marriage.

She would have gone, for she never really cared for Onir. She simply accepted all he did for her and focussed only on her own interests, viz her parivaar. I used to say that for Purvi, there are only two categories of people. First, those for whom she will do anything: her aai, her aaji and her aai's parivaar. Second. those to whom she will do anything, to protect the interests of the first lot, and Arjun and Onir fit in here.

If she had really cared for Onir, and I am not talking of love, she would never have been able to get over the professional destruction and public shame she has brought down on him, reducing a world renowned doctor to doing manual labour to provide for her and her kid. She would have felt it under her skin every waking moment. But she shakes that off in a jiffy, and all she can bring herself to utter, and that too just once, is Kahin na kahin, iske liye main bhi zimmedar hoon.!! Main bhi?? And by now, she seems to have forgotten all about it.

In all the time that they were together, what has she given him? Not even a proper bed to sleep in, and that too even after she has had the baby. I cannot think of a single thing that Onir gained from marrying this girl, and I can think of a lot that he has lost. Of course it was due to his own folly in indulging every whim of hers regardless of ethics and commonsense, but the fact is that it is he who has become a public pariah for something that was never his idea. Who says anything to her?

Even now, when she believes that Onir has two-timed her, how does that take away all that he did for her when she was expecting the baby, and since? Or the fact that his very highly regarded career and reputation was wrecked for good by her folly?

Or the fact that he never took advantage of her physically, not even when she made advances to him?
But one does not expect her to remember any of that ' in fact she now talks of her not having given him pati ka darja, as if all that makes a man your pati is that physical relationship, not caring or affection or protectiveness. What a cheap concept!

So there is no question of expecting her to talk to him for once and see what he has to say.

The fact is that she is hurt in her amour propre, and in nothing else. She is used to dumping people for a greater bhalaayi, as defined by herself, witness what she did to Arjun on that hilltop, when she betrayed his trust totally and brutally. Now that it seems that she has been dumped, she cannot see beyond that, and she cannot take it.

And yes, I too agree 100% that ArVi (I never used this vegetable terminology in the old days, but it will do just fine now) need to get together pronto. There is no need to bother about Ovi, for the ubiquitous divorce papers are already there, and Onir, after committing professional suicide, has eliminated himself deliberately for their bhalaayi . When I think of how much I used to care for ArVi just a year ago, and how faded and tattered their love story seems to me now, it is enough to make one weep.

Of course, the fat will be in the fire if and when Ovi turns up in 3 months, with another Kirloskar Jr. on the way. Now that should liven things up, and give an lot of grief to all those plumping for the ArVi reunion because they insist that a child, in this case Pari, needs to be with both her biological parents. With another Arjun-Ovi baby on the way, it can hardly be argued that only Pari has this right. What to do then, other than hope that this baby too goes the way of its predecessor, the one that Onir trashed without so much as a by your leave to its mother? Clone Arjun, perhaps?

Oh, well, what is the point of lamenting over this train wreck of a show? As I wrote elsewhere today, my last forlorn hope, that Jodha Akbar would be so successful that it would bump PR up to the 11 pm slot and then out, has been dashed to the ground. So we are stuck with this horror show for a long while yet, and the only thing for me to do is to revert to not watching it..

Starting now, after sending off this one off post.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

PS: It was not a question of Purvi being "honest with Onir about her situation that she's pregnant". He finds that out for himself when he examines her when she is suddenly taken ill at that NGO. What she does tell him, honestly, is that she is not married. She could have pretended that she was a widow, but she does not, and to that extent, she is honest and courageous.



QUOTE=sk11]Purvi has every right to be upset with Onir. Fact is she was honest with Onir about her situation that she's pregnant. Onir said he didn't care for anything not even her past, he simply liked her and wanted to marry her. So now that onir declares he's still married to his first wife, then how should purvi feel? Just because purvi has made mistakes and isn't perfect doesn't take away from the fact that she's human and is prone to getting hurt and angry also.

I agree Arvi deserve their happy ending.



@red, I merely say this because its shown in the show that Onir and he of himself admitted that he is married to shalini. I think I also read it in an article. However, he maybe putting up an act with his wife shalini to get purvi out of his life so that he can carry on happily or to reunite purvi with arjun and he can carry on happily with shalini. That is how I understand it unless you are saying that he and shalini are pretending to be married.
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Shymala darling, you speak way too much bitter truth and I am surprised that you haven't gotton rotten tomatoes yet or chased away out of PR land😉. Talking logic and ill about Mahanta queen Purvi that is blasphemy my dear😉...
Btw, I can't help myself😃, so will supply you with the logic about the fate of 'possible' Ovi's Kirolskar Jr. Well, if it happens, according to many, Purvi will surely adopt the baby. She can be the foster baby and will only be allowed to stay with one bio parent, and that is the father only😃. Surprised😃, well you see, this forum even discriminate babies, and since this particular apple isn't born of love (or rather the so called amar prem😉), the baby doesn't get to enjoy and be raised by both parents. It is only Pari, who has that right and can be blessed with both bio parents you see😉. So, as I have been saying - all are equal, but some are more equal than others😆. So, if you ever wonder if discrimination exists - you do not have to wonder far from this forum😃 dear...
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QUOTE=sashashyam]Isn't there a contradiction in @red? If, as I too feel after I watched yesterday's episode because a friend wanted my views on it, Onir is putting on an act to help Purvi get back with Arjun, then he is not likely to be married to Shalini at all. There is then no question of his having hidden anything from his Mishti-that-was, is there?

In fact, it was clear to me, after running the Arjun-Onir encounter part thru thrice, that Onir was egging Arjun on by the casual arrogance of his remarks about how he liked Purvi and married her, but now that his past had resurfaced, he had to go back to Shalini. There was a deliberateness to what he said and how he said it - ending with the statement, undoubtedly accurate, that neither Shalini nor he owed Arjun any explanation - that admitted of no other explanation.

I wish, however, that he had asked Arjun what his locus standi in the matter was: as Purvi's ex-lover or her current hopeful? It was a pity he did not do that. Archana slapping Onir, or Manav or even Soham pulling him up is logical, but why does Onir need to explain anything to Arjun?

What stayed with me from that scene was the very curious expression on Onir's face after he surfaces from the slap with all the effortless aplomb of Amitabh Bachchan in Bombay to Goa (the scene that got him his first big hit, Zanjeer, and thus his whole career as well), and tells Arjun again, without the slightest awkwardness, Leave! It was somewhat sad and knowing at the same time, and that told me beyond doubt that he was faking all this quite deliberately.

Which is something I detest. I HATE this mahaanta complex, whether in Archana or Purvi or now Onir. Why can people not sit down and talk things over decently and part decently? Onir could have told her: You go back to Arjun as he is now free, and I am tired of a loveless marriage.

She would have gone, for she never really cared for Onir. She simply accepted all he did for her and focussed only on her own interests, viz her parivaar. I used to say that for Purvi, there are only two categories of people. First, those for whom she will do anything: her aai, her aaji and her aai's parivaar. Second. those to whom she will do anything, to protect the interests of the first lot, and Arjun and Onir fit in here.

If she had really cared for Onir, and I am not talking of love, she would never have been able to get over the professional destruction and public shame she has brought down on him, reducing a world renowned doctor to doing manual labour to provide for her and her kid. She would have felt it under her skin every waking moment. But she shakes that off in a jiffy, and all she can bring herself to utter, and that too just once, is Kahin na kahin, iske liye main bhi zimmedar hoon.!! Main bhi?? And by now, she seems to have forgotten all about it.

In all the time that they were together, what has she given him? Not even a proper bed to sleep in, and that too even after she has had the baby. I cannot think of a single thing that Onir gained from marrying this girl, and I can think of a lot that he has lost. Of course it was due to his own folly in indulging every whim of hers regardless of ethics and commonsense, but the fact is that it is he who has become a public pariah for something that was never his idea. Who says anything to her?

Even now, when she believes that Onir has two-timed her, how does that take away all that he did for her when she was expecting the baby, and since? Or the fact that his very highly regarded career and reputation was wrecked for good by her folly?

Or the fact that he never took advantage of her physically, not even when she made advances to him?
But one does not expect her to remember any of that ' in fact she now talks of her not having given him pati ka darja, as if all that makes a man your pati is that physical relationship, not caring or affection or protectiveness. What a cheap concept!

So there is no question of expecting her to talk to him for once and see what he has to say.

The fact is that she is hurt in her amour propre, and in nothing else. She is used to dumping people for a greater bhalaayi, as defined by herself, witness what she did to Arjun on that hilltop, when she betrayed his trust totally and brutally. Now that it seems that she has been dumped, she cannot see beyond that, and she cannot take it.

And yes, I too agree 100% that ArVi (I never used this vegetable terminology in the old days, but it will do just fine now) need to get together pronto. There is no need to bother about Ovi, for the ubiquitous divorce papers are already there, and Onir, after committing professional suicide, has eliminated himself deliberately for their bhalaayi . When I think of how much I used to care for ArVi just a year ago, and how faded and tattered their love story seems to me now, it is enough to make one weep.

Of course, the fat will be in the fire if and when Ovi turns up in 3 months, with another Kirloskar Jr. on the way. Now that should liven things up, and give an lot of grief to all those plumping for the ArVi reunion because they insist that a child, in this case Pari, needs to be with both her biological parents. With another Arjun-Ovi baby on the way, it can hardly be argued that only Pari has this right. What to do then, other than hope that this baby too goes the way of its predecessor, the one that Onir trashed without so much as a by your leave to its mother? Clone Arjun, perhaps?

Oh, well, what is the point of lamenting over this train wreck of a show? As I wrote elsewhere today, my last forlorn hope, that Jodha Akbar would be so successful that it would bump PR up to the 11 pm slot and then out, has been dashed to the ground. So we are stuck with this horror show for a long while yet, and the only thing for me to do is to revert to not watching it..

Starting now, after sending off this one off post.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

PS: It was not a question of Purvi being "honest with Onir about her situation that she's pregnant". He finds that out for himself when he examines her when she is suddenly taken ill at that NGO. What she does tell him, honestly, is that she is not married. She could have pretended that she was a widow, but she does not, and to that extent, she is honest and courageous.

Originally posted by: rayadallie

[I agree. Even if he had confided in purvi when they came to mumbai, purvi would have understood but he choose not to. Onir's opportune time to confide in purvi was when purvi was revealing her past to him. He should have gone on to tell her but his hiding this from her was premeditated. It seem as though he still had hopes about shalini.

Even if he is doing all this act to get purvi reunited with her love, the fact still remains that he is married to shalini and hid that truth from purvi. They dont share a husband and wife relation per se but they are friends and companion.



QUOTE=sk11]Purvi has every right to be upset with Onir. Fact is she was honest with Onir about her situation that she's pregnant. Onir said he didn't care for anything not even her past, he simply liked her and wanted to marry her. So now that onir declares he's still married to his first wife, then how should purvi feel? Just because purvi has made mistakes and isn't perfect doesn't take away from the fact that she's human and is prone to getting hurt and angry also.

I agree Arvi deserve their happy ending.
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I have reached a point in the show where nothing surprises me anymore
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The thing is, if it is an act, it means that they are not married, Onir and Shalini.

As for why it seems like an act, it is not just what happened yesterday. Earlier too, it was very strange, the way he talks loudly to her within Purvi's earshot in that one room kholi, when he could easily have gone out and had a private conversation, and the way in which he loudly restates their marital condition in the market after seeing that Purvi is standing a little way off, her ears wide open.

Moreover, I cannot understand how no one in Kolkatta, where half the city seems to know him. knew of his earlier marriage and did not remark on it when he parades all over town with his (new?) wife, his Mishti. What about his aged retainer, Shambu Dada, and his close friends? Would not one of them have tattled to Purvi about her patidev's first wife? Even if he had divorced her? My dear, it is unbelievable, and totally ridiculous.Typical of the PR creatives.

I do not like the way in which the one consistently positive character in PR is being made to act like a moral contortionist. If you think back at the whole Onir-Purvi track, one can make no sense of it at all if he was married earlier and had not divorced his first wife. He has been professionally destroyed and for what? For the dubious pleasure of a platonic 'marriage', where he does not even get to act dad to Pari as her real dad is always hovering around?

How long did he think he could carry on without being exposed? He is not a village yokel, or a common, anonymous individual, he is very widely known all over the country, and his earlier marriage would have been public knowledge too. How come no one, including that Dr Braganza, had no idea of it? If you remember, she says clearly that 6 months ago, Onir was not married. It makes NO sense at all.

I think his mahaanta plans came up after Ovi bailed out. I do not like such stupid plans, whoever makes them, but then I have written about that already.

It is all a confounded and ugly mess, and no one, but no one comes out looking even tolerably good,

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: rayadallie


]@red, I merely say this because its shown in the show that Onir and he of himself admitted that he is married to shalini. I think I also read it in an article. However, he maybe putting up an act with his wife shalini to get purvi out of his life so that he can carry on happily or to reunite purvi with arjun and he can carry on happily with shalini. That is how I understand it unless you are saying that he and shalini are pretending to be married.



Originally posted by: sashashyam

Isn't there a contradiction in @red? If, as I too feel after I watched yesterday's episode because a friend wanted my views on it, Onir is putting on an act to help Purvi get back with Arjun, then he is not likely to be married to Shalini at all. There is then no question of his having hidden anything from his Mishti-that-was, is there?

In fact, it was clear to me, after running the Arjun-Onir encounter part thru thrice, that Onir was egging Arjun on by the casual arrogance of his remarks about how he liked Purvi and married her, but now that his past had resurfaced, he had to go back to Shalini. There was a deliberateness to what he said and how he said it - ending with the statement, undoubtedly accurate, that neither Shalini nor he owed Arjun any explanation - that admitted of no other explanation.

I wish, however, that he had asked Arjun what his locus standi in the matter was: as Purvi's ex-lover or her current hopeful? It was a pity he did not do that. Archana slapping Onir, or Manav or even Soham pulling him up is logical, but why does Onir need to explain anything to Arjun?

What stayed with me from that scene was the very curious expression on Onir's face after he surfaces from the slap with all the effortless aplomb of Amitabh Bachchan in Bombay to Goa (the scene that got him his first big hit, Zanjeer, and thus his whole career as well), and tells Arjun again, without the slightest awkwardness, Leave! It was somewhat sad and knowing at the same time, and that told me beyond doubt that he was faking all this quite deliberately.

Which is something I detest. I HATE this mahaanta complex, whether in Archana or Purvi or now Onir. Why can people not sit down and talk things over decently and part decently? Onir could have told her: You go back to Arjun as he is now free, and I am tired of a loveless marriage.

She would have gone, for she never really cared for Onir. She simply accepted all he did for her and focussed only on her own interests, viz her parivaar. I used to say that for Purvi, there are only two categories of people. First, those for whom she will do anything: her aai, her aaji and her aai's parivaar. Second. those to whom she will do anything, to protect the interests of the first lot, and Arjun and Onir fit in here.

If she had really cared for Onir, and I am not talking of love, she would never have been able to get over the professional destruction and public shame she has brought down on him, reducing a world renowned doctor to doing manual labour to provide for her and her kid. She would have felt it under her skin every waking moment. But she shakes that off in a jiffy, and all she can bring herself to utter, and that too just once, is Kahin na kahin, iske liye main bhi zimmedar hoon.!! Main bhi?? And by now, she seems to have forgotten all about it.

In all the time that they were together, what has she given him? Not even a proper bed to sleep in, and that too even after she has had the baby. I cannot think of a single thing that Onir gained from marrying this girl, and I can think of a lot that he has lost. Of course it was due to his own folly in indulging every whim of hers regardless of ethics and commonsense, but the fact is that it is he who has become a public pariah for something that was never his idea. Who says anything to her?

Even now, when she believes that Onir has two-timed her, how does that take away all that he did for her when she was expecting the baby, and since? Or the fact that his very highly regarded career and reputation was wrecked for good by her folly?

Or the fact that he never took advantage of her physically, not even when she made advances to him?
But one does not expect her to remember any of that ' in fact she now talks of her not having given him pati ka darja, as if all that makes a man your pati is that physical relationship, not caring or affection or protectiveness. What a cheap concept!

So there is no question of expecting her to talk to him for once and see what he has to say.

The fact is that she is hurt in her amour propre, and in nothing else. She is used to dumping people for a greater bhalaayi, as defined by herself, witness what she did to Arjun on that hilltop, when she betrayed his trust totally and brutally. Now that it seems that she has been dumped, she cannot see beyond that, and she cannot take it.

And yes, I too agree 100% that ArVi (I never used this vegetable terminology in the old days, but it will do just fine now) need to get together pronto. There is no need to bother about Ovi, for the ubiquitous divorce papers are already there, and Onir, after committing professional suicide, has eliminated himself deliberately for their bhalaayi . When I think of how much I used to care for ArVi just a year ago, and how faded and tattered their love story seems to me now, it is enough to make one weep.

Of course, the fat will be in the fire if and when Ovi turns up in 3 months, with another Kirloskar Jr. on the way. Now that should liven things up, and give an lot of grief to all those plumping for the ArVi reunion because they insist that a child, in this case Pari, needs to be with both her biological parents. With another Arjun-Ovi baby on the way, it can hardly be argued that only Pari has this right. What to do then, other than hope that this baby too goes the way of its predecessor, the one that Onir trashed without so much as a by your leave to its mother? Clone Arjun, perhaps?

Oh, well, what is the point of lamenting over this train wreck of a show? As I wrote elsewhere today, my last forlorn hope, that Jodha Akbar would be so successful that it would bump PR up to the 11 pm slot and then out, has been dashed to the ground. So we are stuck with this horror show for a long while yet, and the only thing for me to do is to revert to not watching it..

Starting now, after sending off this one off post.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

PS: It was not a question of Purvi being "honest with Onir about her situation that she's pregnant". He finds that out for himself when he examines her when she is suddenly taken ill at that NGO. What she does tell him, honestly, is that she is not married. She could have pretended that she was a widow, but she does not, and to that extent, she is honest and courageous.



QUOTE=sk11]Purvi has every right to be upset with Onir. Fact is she was honest with Onir about her situation that she's pregnant. Onir said he didn't care for anything not even her past, he simply liked her and wanted to marry her. So now that onir declares he's still married to his first wife, then how should purvi feel? Just because purvi has made mistakes and isn't perfect doesn't take away from the fact that she's human and is prone to getting hurt and angry also.

I agree Arvi deserve their happy ending.



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