Jalandhar is not a villain/ DT Nt pg 11 - Page 4

Well said sruja.! Logical 2 cents I must say

Going by this show's version, why blame Shukracharya for not telling J about his origin? He was with Samudradev first, then with Matsyakanya. Samudradev should have informed him about his origin. If he can tell him about Parvati then why not about his birth? It was matsyakanya who told him several times, Devas are to be kept away from, they will harm, as they had destroyed her eggs. From childhood J was tought to be against Devas. Shukracharya met him much later. He could see future, he asked J to control his anger first, he knew what he'll do in future so he avoided telling him some facts.

@mnx12 and @Srujaconscience

OMG! I am overwhelmed! Among the best posts I have read on any online platform till date.

Thank you so much. It prompts me to learn more and think from yet more different aspects.

Thank you again. I am going to bookmark this thread just to keep revisiting and ruminating over these posts.

My dear,

I would like to thank you most warmly, for you have said almost everything that I was thinking of putting in a wrap up post - especially on the need to avoid dogmatism and to preserve freedom of speech, which is the lifeblood of a free forum. You have said it all so beautifully, with quiet dignity and clarity of thought. Now I do not have to write anything more!

Jalandhar has throughout been more sinned against than sinning, and if he had been handled properly right from the beginning, especially by Shukracharya, he might have ended up as a powerful and very capable king. Your take on him @blue is very perceptive, and as you would have seen from the my opening post, is very largely in agreement with my own views. The single sentence Jalandhar is a product of his circumstances and people around him, is so spot on that, as Goethe once said of Kalidasa's Shakuntala, All at once is said.

I also agree that his sudden enmity towards Mahadev seems excessive, but I think it is rooted in the humiliation that he feels has been inflicted on him by Mahadev, and that too in front of his subjects, by calling him his ansh. Mera upahaas kar rahe the. Mujhe meri tuchchata ka aabhaaas karaya. And then the anguished, angry cry: Main tuchch nahin hoon!

Moreover, the tremendous sense of latent power that radiates from Mahadev, despite his surface calm, stuns Jalandhar, as he says later to Vrinda. His instinctive admiration is changed into a huge chip on the shoulder because he resents what he feels, and resents the deep samarpan Mahadev inspires in almost everyone, including the asuras.

Now Jalandhar is an avowed opponent of any kind of bhakti or samarpan, as he tells Shukracharya yesterday. Whence the rebellion against the father figure, Mahadev, like an angry teenager wanting to assert himself. And when he gets nowhere in his first attempt and falls flat on his face (in fact on his back!) the resentment burns only brighter, and is soon going to be self-destructive. What a waste of such tremendous potential for good!

As for @red, with which I agree totally, I do not see how it is possible to justify the Tridev letting Indra literally get away with murder time and again. After he wantonly murders Trishira, Mahadev lets him off because of the wimpy Brahaspati's plea. But being a trikaaladarshi and sarvagna, Mahadev must have known exactly how insincere Indra was, and how soon he would revert to his old sleazy ways. What can possibly justify the leniency shown to Indra then? It cannot be explained away by any philosophical construct like leela. No wonder the asuras always felt discriminated against even by the Tridev,.

As for Narayan and Vrinda, I have written in extenso about it in my opening post. I cannot accept it no matter what the compulsions, for as Gandhiji used to say, the means are as important as the ends, for they affect the ends too.

Lastly, while the tales from the Shivapuranas so painstakingly described here are fascinating, we can discuss DKDM here only on the basis of the characters, in this case Jalandhar, as shown in the TV serial. What he was said to be like in the puranas is thus not relevant to the discussion,and this holds both for him or for anyone else like, say, Indra.

Once again, congratulations on a beautiful post.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: Skepblun

First of all, I would request the sensitive members to not to get affected by posts of members here. I am sure no one wants to mock the religion! People are reacting only on the basis of what they see in the show.

Secondly, it is not wrong to question actions of religious figures. Some people who are devout devotees may feel it is wrong to question "God". But it's all a matter of belief! Many do not even believe in God. Many have different ideas of God. There are atheists, agnostics, skeptics etc. and they have equal right to expression as anybody else. Their views should be respected too as long as they are not cussing at or bashing a devta or God.
Many do believe in the religion but only ask questions becuse they genuinely want clarification or knowledge on why what happened the way it did. It does not make them wrong!

So replies like "you don't ask questions on God's act" or "you're hurting sentiments" are kind of extreme and seem intolerant of differing views or questionative mindset. It is not healthy for a discussion forum.

Thirdly, on topic, judging purely on basis of the show I do not think Jallandhar is a villain. I find questions asked by him very relevant. I feel it was Shukracharya's fault that he did not tell the truth of his identity to Jallandhar. Lord Shiva should also have met him and told him about his birth and purpose of his birth, instead of leaving him on his own. Whatever Indra, Lord Vishnu and Narad have done to Jallandhar has not been fair either.

He had no guidance. He is just caught in lies and half truths. He was never guided ONLY provoked. He's never had anyone to rely on except himself and to some extent his guru. His mother's loss still rankles. He managed to achieve the Trilokadipathi position on his own. It's no wonder he thinks one should first prove himself and a fair competition should decide who rules.

We find it laughable that J thinks he can be like Mahadev. But from his POV, anything is achievable if you're willing to make any effort for it. If you do not have something then you develop it or gain it. That is what he feels.

He has unbridled, un-channelised energy and lot of motivation which makes him feel one can accomplish/achieve anything what one wants.

He's a very interesting character. Good and inspirational in many ways, tragic in some ways, bad in some ways.

I think serial should have shown things properly. As of now Jallandhar's sudden enmity with Tridev seems odd and sudden. It almost comes across like an abrupt change in the character.

I would not call Jalandhar evil just because of his actions. I do not mean to offend purists and devotees but there are actions done by "heroes" and "gods" also that are questionable. It's another matter that their actions be it good or bad get justified as some great, Divine "leela" while others get vilified for even a wrong thought they harbour in their minds.

Jalandhar is a product of his circumstances and people around him.

I don't think anyone is born evil.

Dear Skepblun,

I agree with you completely about these two posts. I am new to this forum, but I already know about and admire the quality of Meenakshi's analyses. Today, I am delighted with the one by Sruja. Thank you so much, my dear Sruja. You made my day, or rather night, for it is 1:41 am!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: Skepblun

@mnx12 and @Srujaconscience

OMG! I am overwhelmed! Among the best posts I have read on any online platform till date.

Thank you so much. It prompts me to learn more and think from yet more different aspects.

Thank you again. I am going to bookmark this thread just to keep revisiting and ruminating over these posts.

Originally posted by: Nikki_SAS-holic

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ROFL on you for blaming Tridev specialy Mahadev 🤣, You like Jalandhar fine but don't point finger at Mahadev when you don't know the real story, Cv's showed it in twisted way for sake of TRP, The only thing to like abt Jalandhar is "Mohit n his superb diffrentiation b/w two charactors" , The person i would like to blame is Indra he deserve to die from Jalandhar's hand