Jalandhar is not a villain/ DT Nt pg 11

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A young member was lamenting here about having fallen in love with Jalandhar, for now she was not sure how she was going to cope with his inevitable destruction.

I want to tell her, and all those who feel as she does, "You fell in love with him because he is not a villain. He is a tormented, twisted, tragic soul, whom no one helped when he needed it "

For that is the plain truth. There is much that many of the protagonists - Shukracharya above all, Narada, Lakshmi and even Mahadev - could have done to prevent Jalandhar from turning to this self-destructive path, and threatening to take everyone and everything down with him. But none of them did anything. Instead, each of them seems to have made matters much worse.

Jalandhar is a basically a tragic figure, as vulnerable emotionally as he is invulnerable on the battlefield. Right now, he is being eaten up from inside by, as Nikhila pointed out correctly, insecurity. But not insecurity vis a vis himself, for he is fearless, as Mahadev himself notes. Rather insecurity vis a vis his loved ones, once his mother and now Vrinda.

Plus he has a sense of having been profoundly humiliated in front of his subjects by Mahadev, when he announces that Jalandhar is his ansh, and thus inferior to him (or so Jalandhar sees it, not without reason). It is this which drives him now to declare war on the Tridev, with the aim of regaining the respect of his subjects.

The same sense of humiliation makes him act extra brash and arrogant vis a vis Mahadev, whom he sees, wrongly but unwaveringly, as the fountainhead of the inequality between the devas and the asuras that has always prevailed. As Shukracharya has by now lost all credibility with him, Jalandhar pays no heed to his guru's praise of Mahadev's sense of fairplay vis a vis the asuras.

So he marches up to the Brahmalok, and confronts Mahadev like an angry teenager spewing contempt for the world of grown ups. He taunts Mahadev in a manner that seems more childish than anything else, and his continuous advance in defiance of Mahadev's warnings is a typical, brash dare.

One has also to remember that Jalandhar seems to have come straight from the age of 8 to adulthood, without the interim years of slow growth, mentally and emotionally, which leads a child thru the troubled teens to maturity. He is thus like an artificially ripened fruit, with all the defects inherent in such a product.

Thus, the disastrous outcome of this first encounter with Mahadev does not sober Jalandhar any more than a rough encounter with the law would have sobered James Dean. It only makes things worse, and stokes a burning desire to get his own back.

Now much of this could have been prevented, in the first place, by Shukracharya. A guru has the duty to guide, correct and protect his shishya even when he is misguided. Shukracharya should have told Jalandhar all about the Tridev and explained the essence of Mahadev a long time before he finally comes clean a week ago. He should also have simultaneously assured Jalandhar that he cared for him like a son, and that he would stop him from going on the wrong path. Then things could have been very different.

The trust deficit produced in Jalandhar by the sudden revelation that his guru is a Mahadev bhakt is like a child suddenly learning that it has been adopted. There is a double anger and fear that surface then - anger at what he sees as abandonment by the birth parents, and fear that the adoptive ones do not love him as much as if he had been their own child. Jalandhar now feels betrayed by the guru he had totally trusted all his life, and this pushes him to even worse follies. The blame for this is as much Shukaracharya's as Jalandhar's, if not more, for the guru is wiser and has to be more responsible than his pupil.

Even when things are going from bad to worse and Jalandhar approaches him for his advice, Shukracharya does not tell him that he will come to the court provided Jalandhar promises to respect his advice and follow it. That just might have worked, and the march on Brahmalok prevented.

Instead, Shukracharya turns his back on Jalandhar at the moment when he is needed the most, and when he could have exerted a moderating influence. He was treated with total contempt by most of the asuras earlier, but now when he has the shishya he had waited for all his life, it is he who fails him.

Vrinda alone feels for her beloved husband and tries her best to calm him down by gentle and reassuring persuasion. She does manage to some extent, but as he will not turn to her for advice on strategy or tactics, he is left without any worthwhile support at the most crucial juncture. Moreover, his resentment at her having pleaded with Mahadev to spare him rankles deeply, and undercuts her influence over him.

Nor is Mahadev free of blame for what Jalandhar has become. Having let Indra off for the cold blooded murder of Trishira, an ascetic engaged in tapas, it is Mahadev who gives birth to Jalandhar, so to speak. Why then does he not take any responsibility for his offspring? Why does he not punish Indra for murdering Jalandhar's mother? What does he mean when he declares that he will be responsible for all of Jalandhar's actions, good or bad? One does not see him doing anything to demonstrate this sense of responsibility.

Not that this comes as a surprise, for when it comes to parenting, Mahadev is clearly of the Victorian school of sternness and rigid rules. If it had not been for Parvati's intervention after Kartikeya leaves Kailash in a huff about Ganesha have been declared the pratampoojya, Mahadev would have left him to get back home or not as he chose. Again when, after Parvati has lost her memory, Kartikeya argues with his father demanding that Mahadev bring his mother back, he is dismissed curtly, with little understanding for his anguish. But later, the same plea from Ganesha meets with a far more indulgent response and Mahadev gets set on the ashtanga yoga path to help Parvati regain her memory.

Jalandhar, if one considers him as a sort of child of Mahadev's, clearly falls into the Kartikeya category, or perhaps into that of the very arrogant and difficult original Ganesha. No wonder he is going to end up decapitated as well!

To revert, why does Devi Lakshmi not announce her kinship with Jalandhar to him as soon as she stops Narayan from using the sudharshan chakra on him, as requested by Indra? If she had done that, it would have made a huge difference to his blind hatred of the devas.

Why does Narada go to Jalandhar's coronation as King of the Asuras and provoke him with barbed remarks?

Instead of doing anything to give Jalandhar a sense of emotional security and proper guidance,and thus try to avert the looming disaster that threatens, all of these personages seem to be waiting for an excuse to justify killing him.

It was not Jalandhar's fault that Mahadev accepted Brahaspati's fraudulent arguments in favour of his charge, Indra, and did not annihilate him for the murder of Trishira. If Mahadev had not gone soft at that juncture, there would have been no Jalandhar, and none of the present crisis.

Now Jalandhar is caught up in a vortex of paranoia, and not even Vrinda can reach him and pull him out of the darkness into which he is slipping deeper and deeper. Consumed by a raging desire to get even with Mahadev, he is losing the sense of right and wrong, the very nobility that prevented him from attacking the unarmed Kartikeya after Indra murders Vritrasura by treachery.

So he will have to be destroyed, in an awful and avoidable waste of such a tremendous potential for good, of so much courage and so much energy.

And if the Vrinda story is going to develop as in the puranas, Narayan's deceit would be the worst of all. It is no use excusing it saying that he was defending dharma. Mahatma Gandhi would have been categoric on this; one cannot defend dharma thru adharmic actions, and what Vishnu is said to have done with Vrinda is inexcusable.

In the end, after Vrinda has been deceived and Jalandhar satisfactorily disposed of, the Tridev will of course reinstate the sleazy Indra, with the blood of two innocents on his hands, as if that did not matter at all. And when he commits his next crime, Brahaspati will plead again on his behalf, and Mahadev will let him off again, after another lecture on the role of a guru that Indra will not even have been listening to. Guru?? I have never before seen as weak and as contemptible a character as Brahaspati.

No wonder the asuras harbour such a deepseated resentment against this favouritism shown towards the devas by the Tridev.

I dare say many of you might not agree with much of the above, but I hope you will at at least find a contrary take of some interest.

But I am sure you will all agree that it is Mohit Raina's superb, layered and subtle take on Jalandhar that has made this track so very special. Mohit has always been a master of facial nuance, but as Jalandhar, he has surpassed himself.

Finally, it is remarkable how much time is being devoted to this track, much, much more than even for the Samudramanthan track. And I love it.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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Posted: 12 years ago
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wow awesome take👏👏👏👏

i really don't find jalandhar as villain. from childhood he has suffer so much and there was no one to hold his hand, hug him, make him feel wanted and the only one who loved him was his mother who was taken away from him in the most cruel way top of it his wife vrinda is worshiper of devtas that kinds of make him feel like he is being insulted but i really really like it how vrinda reason's with him and he understands her but then his anger for devtas takes over. he is not bad by nature, circumstance made him who he is

coming to vishnu doing that with his devote vrinda makes me sick. i never thought vishnu will do something this😲 what jalandhar said that this devtas only knows how to backstab us came true. this kind of shows they cannot fight without cheating but then again he needed to be stop but why kill jalandhar along with vrinda🥺( i really like this couple so i wanted to see them for a long time but alas) anyways i really like jalandhar😃he is who he is but if he had been taken care of he would have been something we would have loved to see.
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Originally posted by: .Shiva.

wow awesome take👏

i really don't find jalandhar as villain. from childhood he has suffer so much and there was no one to hold his hand, hug him, make him feel wanted and the only one who loved him was his mother who was taken away from him in the most cruel way top of it his wife vrinda is worshiper of devtas that kinds of make him feel like he is being insulted but i really really like it how vrinda reason's with him and he understands her but then his anger for devtas takes over. he is not bad by nature, circumstance made him who he is

coming to vishnu doing that with his devote vrinda makes me sick. i never thought vishnu will do something this😲 what jalandhar said that this devtas only knows how to backstab us came true. this kind of shows they cannot fight without cheating but then again he needed to be stop but why kill jalandhar along with vrinda🥺( i really like this couple so i wanted to see them for a long time but alas) anyways i really like jalandhar😃he is who he is but if he had been taken care of he would have been something we would have loved to see.



In show the Mahadev is to blame not Lord Vishnu as he Mahadev Anskh and Lord Vishnu what did to fufill his boon given to vrinda and Lord Vishnu did what he did on behalf of Goddess Parvati request. Lord Narayan own energy was protecting j due to Vrinda devotion to Lord Narayan.

Watch the episode where Vrinda proclaims J as her husband that is the second Lord Hari is extended his protection to included J from Narayanstra. Even today Vrinda ( Tuslsi) is sacred among Vaishnavties goto Balaji Temple, Vaishnav Temple you will she on Lord Vishnu is given with regluar mala also with Tulsi Mala.

BTW
Lord Brahma - God of Creation
Lord Narayan - God of Enforcement ( Protector of Creation)
Lord Shiva - Lord of Destruction
Per his role he he has due everything he has to continue existence .


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In show the Mahadev is to blame not Lord Vishnu as he Mahadev Anskh and Lord Vishnu what did to fufill his boon given to vrinda and Lord Vishnu did what he did on behalf of Goddess Parvati request. Lord Narayan own energy was protecting j due to Vrinda devotion to Lord Narayan.

yes mahadev is to be blamed to. jalandhar is his ansh he could have not killed him but showed him the right path. he did the same thing with his FIL where in the end daksh understood what mahadev was and started to accept him. wait parvati will tell lord vishnu to do that acts? i heard so many different story on this don't now which is true hope i get clear picture of what is true or not. no matter what to me what vishnu did was not right. vrinda was tricked by her own god so her husband can be killed. no woman in this world want their god to cheat them so they can become widow. cheating is not the right way and i cannot agree on this at all no matter how much protection vishnu has given to jalandhar. one hand he saved jaandhar while on the other hand cheated vrinda who is devoted to jalandhar sorry that did not jell well with me.

Watch the episode where Vrinda proclaims J as her husband that is the second Lord Hari is extended his protection to included J from Narayanstra. Even today Vrinda ( Tuslsi) is sacred among Vaishnavties goto Balaji Temple, Vaishnav Temple you will she on Lord Vishnu is given with regluar mala also with Tulsi Mala.

yes i watch the episode over and over again due to that confession of vrinda for jalandhar😳 but what get's to me is that i read vishnu marries vrinda once she dies and re-born as tulshi and due to vrinda's being so pure all jalandhar sin washes away.

BTW
Lord Brahma - God of Creation
Lord Narayan - God of Enforcement ( Protector of Creation)
Lord Shiva - Lord of Destruction
Per his role he he has due everything he has to continue existence .

yes i know this😆i have no problem with him protecting just that part i cannot agree on at all.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Your a Human not a God so you are not above God . So you can't judge what they and why they do they do it.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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TM I agree with you most on Mahadev's parenting...He never took any responsibility for Jalandhar...He often differentiates between Kartikeya and Ganesh.
Sukracharya hid facts from Jallu but he atleast looked after him, I reallly like this character.Yes Indra will become king once again...He knows how to keep Tridev happy.
But according to the story given in Puranas , Jallu was not so noble and kind as shown in this serial...that is why he was killed...
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ill start by saying that the whole "sob story" of Jalandhar-him having a mother etc,is entirely a "Trikon Chalchitra Purana Creation"-it doesnt exist...
so i wont use that whole angle to determine Jalandhars character
Jalandhar wasnt a villian-but the way he is going i feel he is going exactly in the way of Devraj Indra
Jalandhar isnt a bad person,neither is he a bad king-he was a messiah for the Asurs
however i belive that if anyone is responsible to what happened to him-its HIM himself...
i dont belive that someone can "brainwash" you,unless and until you allow what you say to affect you...
same in the case with Jalandhar...

everyone thinks Mahadev is wrong-i dont think he is...
he left Jalandhar on his own-had Mahadev kept Jalandhar in his shadow would have Jalandhar been the Asur king he was...?
Jalandhar too was born for a purpose-Mahadevs Krodha Agni was diverted towards Indra-but it had to be diverted
yet the Krodha Agni ultimately fulfilled its purpose of ruining Indra
Jalandhar's rise was destined-him going to the Asurs etc,Mahadev let him go beacuse he knew he was doing something that was right!-he was taking a long due revenge from Indra
and showing the Devtas thier place
Mahadev didnt ever stop Jalandhar-he let him be,and in a way when everyone else was getting insecure,Mahadev maintained that he wont do anything to Jalandhar till he feels Jalandhar is doing something wrong!
which is exactly what he did...
Jalandhar tried to decietfully make Parvati his-wasnt that wrong enough?

Its Jalandhar who got greedy for power-who tried to replace Mahadev.
No One sees Jalandhars BIG ego behind what he is doing-he is utterly intimidated by Mahadev
the fact that Mahadev was the ORIGNAL messiah of Asurs-that he is the one who even his Guru worships
that everyone across the three Lokas worships-not Triloka Adi Pati Jalandhar...

Jalandhars ego is BIG-how come no one sees that?
He is most upset that even though he conqured all three Lokas-HE is still not worshipped
he thinks HE is God
a Mistake which Hiranyakashyap also did...thinking of oneself to be greater that God...
Jalandhar is not a villian-but he is just as insecure-trying just about every means to prove his superiority over others...

Jalandhar called his end himself!-He ALREADY had everything
a devoted wife-his "Shakti" Vrinda
he was Triloka Adi Pati-yet he himself choose to take panga with Mahadev

Narad Muni tried to brainwash Mahadev too-did he listen?No!
a person cannot be affected by anyones brainwashing,until and unless he himself allows that to affect him
Just like how Narayan said-Jalandhar could have very well ignored Narad
He choose to get affected by him,and began to think of Mahadev as his enemy!

about whos fault is it?
its no bodys fault i think-what Happened to Jalandhar was a leela
it was a culmation of many factors put together
and no one person can be entirely blamed
to teach us that ego arrogance and insecurity does not good to anyone-even if you are Mahadevs ansh your self...

Narayan had to hurt Vrinda-his own devotee
but no one sees that Narayan too paid the price of hurting Vrinda-one version says that due to what he did to Vrinda
he too had to undergo the pain she felt in his birth as Ram by having Sita taken away by Raavan
Vrinda had to be cheated on-or else Jalandhars tyranny wouldnt have stopped

He tried to take Adi Shakti-Mahadevs wife!-wasnt that wrong too?

Jalandhar dug his own pit too!i dont know why people are failing to see the other side of the coin too...
this is my opinion

PS:-this is a sincere request,even though Mahadev,Narayan are characters of a show
they are ALSO revered Gods of our religion,so please be careful while "blaming" them
this is a "leela" to teach us,it isnt meant for us to point fingers at our own Gods
besides you'll may end up hurting sentiments
so be careful
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completely agree with you shruti👏👏👏
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At first shyama mam.. I think u hv read my mind, coz I hav surprisingly same views as regards jalandhar.
This track has made atleast some of us thinking abt how a man can slip into darkness? I am particularly miffed wid shukracharya wen he tried 2 vindicate himself, but later admitted tht he was aware jalandhar's gradual destruction wen he met him at first place. Then why the shukra did nothing 2 prevent this fall. He had ample time wen jal was a boy & shukra clearly understood tht at tht point he won' override his guru. Clearly jalandhar's hatred was nt given a proper direction, and the cocept of 'asuron ka hith & utthan' was vague in itself & nt properly defined.
2nd thng I felt was the tridev's attitude. I did see narad pestering Brahma & Visnu 2 stop jalandhar asap as he is siding the asuras. Thus it shows tht even the devrishi is nt free frm bias. Suddenly after jalandhar's coronation the tridevs bcame eager 2 stop J merely on basis of the fact tht they had seen the future. I ask what stopped Brahma n Visnu's eagerness wen Indra contemplated Ahilya's violation, attack on Trishira etc. They cud read the future, the ought 2 hav stopped him.
Wen J took up the war, he cited inequality. Wen he was told the Lingodhbhav story, all he cud interpret tht tridevs r the perpatrators of this inequality. He failed 2 see tht tridevs r a system of checks and balences.
Jalandhar leads a rebellion against this order which he feels is unequal, a thinking tht has nt been checked by J's guru.
Jalandhar thus poses question as 2 why a child innocent bcums evil, a question frm which no one can escape!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: elasingh

TM I agree with you most on Mahadev's parenting...He never took any responsibility for Jalandhar...He often differentiates between Kartikeya and Ganesh.

Sukracharya hid facts from Jallu but he atleast looked after him, I reallly like this character.Yes Indra will become king once again...He knows how to keep Tridev happy.
But according to the story given in Puranas , Jallu was not so noble and kind as shown in this serial...that is why he was killed...



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