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Posted: 12 years ago
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If I understand this correctly, Indira would like us to believe that its okay for her to "sacrifice" her daughter at this juncture because by doing this she will be ridding the world of an evil individual and therefore saving countless -well lets say hundreds or thousands- of innocent human lives.
Sounds noble at first glance.
Here's my issue with it (well actually I have many issues with it, but I'll just point out one for now) 😆 How does Indira know that Indu- if saved and allowed to live- won't grow up to be a worldwide leader who will work to abolish child trafficking throughout the world and by "sacrificing" her now, Indira is just devoiding the world of an individual who would have otherwise grown up to save Millions (not hundreds or thousands, but millions!) of lives!!! How does Indira know that by "sacrificing" Indu, the Great Greater Greatest good of the whole world (which would be brought about by Indu in a few years if she's allowed to live) is not being compromised??? How can she do such a disservice to the whole world just for the sake of her state or country???
If anyone has any thoughts on this, please share :))

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Posted: 12 years ago
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kisne indira ko ye bola ki indu mar jayegi marne se jyada bura to uske sath tab hoga agar rajrani use bench dega nanhi si jaan tab kya karegi adalat main kitne khoon ke mukadme chalte hai pata nahi kitne din wo jail main rahega or uss chip main bas rajrani ko khoon kare dikhaya gaya hai or adalat main video sabut ko itni manyata mili hai ya nahi mujhe nahi malum.
indu ko chhudwane ke baad unn ladkiyo ko rajrani ke khilaaf use karti to shayad rajrani ko lambi saja ho sakti thi.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Great post Dia.👏👏
Since this track started I am trying to understand New Indira and her principals .
My mother always told me Samaj seva starts at home. First you clean your own room and then you go clean dirty street in Mumbai .she used to make us sing one prayer every day . I will just post one verse , I think most of us grew up with this

Hum ko man kee shakt dienaa, man vijay kare
Dusaron kee jay se pahale, khud ko jay kare.
Like you wrote. How does Indira knows what future hold for Indu? With Indu's personality and knowing Indian politicians ,she might become prime minister and help millions of individuals by passing law and reinforcing it. The whole world known this that child trafficking exits in India.and it's a problem!

why she is damn sure that Indu will be killed ? Look at the other horrible side . If she is sold to Arab and send overseas , she will be kept lady and no way out for this poor child. Or if she becomes prostitute like Sajani, and live horrible life ,is Indira doing justice to her own " parchai"?
Why Indira is doing good to society when she cannot be a good mother? Will society admire this mother? Why Indira thinks that if she sends Rajrani to jail she will save thousands of girls. His "Chamche "will carry on the work . This will go on and in until people who encourage this business stop abusing these girls . Yes stoping Raj rani is the start but what price ? Your own blood? There are many ways to save Indu , why she thinks her way is only way ? Why is she so stubborn that she does not hear her own daughters cry for help or own husbands plea for Marcy ? Only to save strangers?
Every one of us makes society . It's collective thing. So if every one of us improve our self then we will not need external help.

Edited by Heema22 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -dear10-

kisne indira ko ye bola ki indu mar jayegi marne se jyada bura to uske sath tab hoga agar rajrani use bench dega nanhi si jaan tab kya karegi adalat main kitne khoon ke mukadme chalte hai pata nahi kitne din wo jail main rahega or uss chip main bas rajrani ko khoon kare dikhaya gaya hai or adalat main video sabut ko itni manyata mili hai ya nahi mujhe nahi malum.

indu ko chhudwane ke baad unn ladkiyo ko rajrani ke khilaaf use karti to shayad rajrani ko lambi saja ho sakti thi.

Mona, yes we don't know what will happen to Indu and like you said, a life of servitude would be worse than death, but uske saath jo bhi ho, yeh pakka hain ke she will not be able to live her life to grow up to be what she has the true potential to be. Like you said, there are so many ways for Indira to get Rajrani arrested- why she choses to use her own daughter for this sake is beyond me- this makes me question her motives. If Indira wants, she can spend the rest of her life working towards the cause of child trafficking- Rajrani hi kyun, there are so many other people in this trade who should be brought to justice too.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Heema22

Great post Dia.👏👏

Since this track started I am trying to understand New Indira and her principals .
My mother always told me Samaj seva starts at home. First you clean your own room and then you go clean dirty street in Mumbai .she used to make us sing one prayer every day . I will just post one verse , I think most of us grew up with this

Hum ko man kee shakt dienaa, man vijay kare
Dusaron kee jay se pahale, khud ko jay kare.
Heema, you just gave me a idea for another topic- koi baat nahin, that one I will make fo next weekend 😆 Btw, what prayer is this- I'm trying to remember if I've recited it as a young kid.
Like you wrote. How does Indira knows what future hold for Indu? With Indu's personality and knowing Indian politicians ,she might become prime minister and help millions of individuals by passing law and reinforcing it. The whole world known this that child trafficking exits in India.and it's a problem! Exactly, Indira right now is placing a value judgement on Indu's life (which I am completely against- none of us are in a position to decide whose life is worth what)- she's basically saying that "saving" 10 lives is better than saving 1. But she does not know that the 1 life she is sacrficing could grow up to potentially save millions of lives.

why she is damn sure that Indu will be killed ? Look at the other horrible side . If she is sold to Arab and send overseas , she will be kept lady and no way out for this poor child. Or if she becomes prostitute like Sajani, and live horrible life ,is Indira doing justice to her own " parchai"?
Why Indira is doing good to society when she cannot be a good mother? Will society admire this mother? Why Indira thinks that if she sends Rajrani to jail she will save thousands of girls. His "Chamche "will carry on the work . This will go on and in until people who encourage this business stop abusing these girls . Absolutely, Rajrani is just scratching the surface and getting rid of her probably won't change much. If Indira truly wants to bring about real change, then she should get her daughter back and then devote the rest of her life to working towards this cause. That would be truly noble and would bring about real and sustainable change. This show sends out such a poor message about how individuals should go about trying to bring change in society. Its really pathetic. Yes stoping Raj rani is the start but what price ? Your own blood? There are many ways to save Indu , why she thinks her way is only way ? Why is she so stubborn that she does not hear her own daughters cry for help or own husbands plea for Marcy ? Only to save strangers?
Every one of us makes society . It's collective thing. So if every one of us improve our self then we will not need external help.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dia . This is the prayer . Frist verse of the prayer is very powerful . tells us that you must improve yourself and thats starts at home and with in yourself . manty people read it to their avantage but for me . you must improve your self and help yor family before you help others.This my moto for my self. When I am confused and need way out of problems always sing this. . For Indira in my POV ,First Dharma is Matru dharma, then Patni dharma and after that Samaj Dharma . This is on U tube. Great payer . She must fight for her daughter life and future first before she thinks about the others. You must improve yourself first before you improve others ! if Indira fights for others then is there any one besides Indu's father fighting for INdu? I do not see other family members who's daughter are rescused raising their voices against Indu,s Abduction . They are happy that they have thier daughters, ? And not worried about Indu? Is her own daughter is her first and most important Zimedari? You tell me


Hamko manki shakti dena man vijay karen
doosron ki jay se pahle khudko jay karen
doosron ki jay se pahle khudko jay karen
Hamko manki shakti dena man vijay karen
doosron ki jay se pahle khudko jay karen
Hamko manki shakti dena

bhed bhaav
bhed bhaav apne dil se saaf kar saken
bhed bhaav apne dil se saaf kar saken
doston se bhool ho to maaf kar saken
doston se bhool ho to maaf kar saken
jhooth se bache rahen sach ka dam bharen
jhooth se bache rahen sach ka dam bharen
doosron ki jay se pahle khud ko jay karen
Hamko manki shakti dena man vijay karen
doosron ki jay se pahle khud ko jay karen
Hamko manki shakti dena

mushkilen paden to hampe itna karm kar
mushkilen paden to hampe itna karm kar
saath de to dharm ka chale to dharm par
saath de to dharm ka chale to dharm par
khud pe hausla rahe badi se na daren
khud pe hausla rahe badi se na daren
doosron ki jay se pahle khud ko jay karen
Hamko mank...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Yes Truely agree with you...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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no wonder humanity in the world crushes below every second...if the greats were selfish as some wanted them to be,we wouldnt have even an independent nation today...sad,in this age ,we are stilll hellbent on being selfish and we expect others to be too...luckily the greats arent here to witness this...indira took a strong stance because she viewed it from the view of the greats...she knew of theconsequences yet she never revered to the pressure...now,i realise she is a great character..to be able to stay strong even if the whole family revolts ,thats already a great in making...she was selfless...an attribute not many,sadly no huge number possess..she thought of the greater good...inshort, the number of girls mattered to her and she viewed them as hers just like indu...we will never know the pain of others until we experience it ourselves...just like those mothers whom will be depressed...indira took charge of the whole dilemma and wanted to end it for the greater good because she was selfless...and only some greats possess that attribute and how lucky we are that they do cos if not for them,the world wouldnt have stayed sane...indira defined the greater good for me!!!!...

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Heema22

Dia . This is the prayer . Frist verse of the prayer is very powerful . tells us that you must improve yourself and thats starts at home and with in yourself . manty people read it to their avantage but for me . you must improve your self and help yor family before you help others.This my moto for my self. When I am confused and need way out of problems always sing this. . For Indira in my POV ,First Dharma is Matru dharma, then Patni dharma and after that Samaj Dharma . This is on U tube. Great payer . She must fight for her daughter life and future first before she thinks about the others. You must improve yourself first before you improve others ! if Indira fights for others then is there any one besides Indu's father fighting for INdu? I do not see other family members who's daughter are rescused raising their voices against Indu,s Abduction . They are happy that they have thier daughters, ? And not worried about Indu? Is her own daughter is her first and most important Zimedari? You tell me



Hamko manki shakti dena man vijay karen
doosron ki jay se pahle khudko jay karen
doosron ki jay se pahle khudko jay karen
Hamko manki shakti dena man vijay karen
doosron ki jay se pahle khudko jay karen
Hamko manki shakti dena

bhed bhaav
bhed bhaav apne dil se saaf kar saken
bhed bhaav apne dil se saaf kar saken
doston se bhool ho to maaf kar saken
doston se bhool ho to maaf kar saken
jhooth se bache rahen sach ka dam bharen
jhooth se bache rahen sach ka dam bharen
doosron ki jay se pahle khud ko jay karen
Hamko manki shakti dena man vijay karen
doosron ki jay se pahle khud ko jay karen
Hamko manki shakti dena

mushkilen paden to hampe itna karm kar
mushkilen paden to hampe itna karm kar
saath de to dharm ka chale to dharm par
saath de to dharm ka chale to dharm par
khud pe hausla rahe badi se na daren
khud pe hausla rahe badi se na daren
doosron ki jay se pahle khud ko jay karen
Hamko mank...

Very Well raised point heem di.. If HD cvs truely want to bring society together, they need to show that the parents of the rescued children come to help INshi and raise their voices against the cruelty of RR. That will help to spread the message that unity in society can do wonders !! This will truely give a complete social message.teamwork only gains greatness. No body can be great alone. Absolutely true Heema di.. We have M.K.Gandhi who has earned greatness but thats only because he had fought ,not alone, but with help of everybody's skills.. The freedom fight was not his alone but he gave space of encouragement to everyone and thats what made India's STRUGGLE GREAT because it was every man's show !
Heema Di ..What a choice of the verse !
Humko mannki shakti de naa..
PERFECT👍🏼
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Originally posted by: nirvanas

no wonder humanity in the world crushes below every second...if the greats were selfish as some wanted them to be,we wouldnt have even an independent nation today...sad,in this age ,we are stilll hellbent on being selfish and we expect others to be too...luckily the greats arent here to witness this...indira took a strong stance because she viewed it from the view of the greats...she knew of theconsequences yet she never revered to the pressure...now,i realise she is a great character..to be able to stay strong even if the whole family revolts ,thats already a great in making...she was selfless...an attribute not many,sadly no huge number possess..she thought of the greater good...inshort, the number of girls mattered to her and she viewed them as hers just like indu...we will never know the pain of others until we experience it ourselves...just like those mothers whom will be depressed...indira took charge of the whole dilemma and wanted to end it for the greater good because she was selfless...and only some greats possess that attribute and how lucky we are that they do cos if not for them,the world wouldnt have stayed sane...indira defined the greater good for me!!!!...

Thanks for writing in. You brought up 2 points in your comment, one about "selfishness" and one about "the greater good." If you don't mind, I would like to address only the 2nd point in this topic. The debate on selfishness is a whole another topic which I promise to post next week (btw I think my signature is somewhat reflective of what I think about selfishness/unselfishness). But getting back to the "greater good" point.
Looking at the current situation, Indira is willing to forgo her daughter's safety in order to get Rajrani arrested and save the many girls that may potentially have been jeopordized if Rajrani stays in power. For you, this is acting in the greater good (correct me if I'm misunderstanding or misrepresenting your viewpoint).
But this is my point, how do we know that if we save Indu now that she actually won't grow up to save millions and by denying her this chance, we are really not acting in the greater good. If saving 15 lives is better than saving 1, then surely saving millions (which is what indu may do if she is given the opportunity) is better than saving 15? Is the greater good just defined by numbers? 15 is better than 1 and 100 is better than 15? I don't know the answer to this but I surely don't appreciate the fact that people (by this I mean the writers and Indira's character) like to believe that they do and somehow pretend that their approach to sacrifice 1 for the many is "better" or more "just" than the person who wants to save 1 life who is in immediate danger at this time, when the rest could be saved thru many other means.

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