The Greater Good - Page 3

Originally posted by: _saumya_

Trolling queen! 🤣

I will try to make sense here. Tell me if you want me to elaborate my viewpoint if it seems absurd. I will just reformulate your line and use my statistical knowledge to it.

How do you know that none of those girls will Grow up to become politicians and stop human trafficking? And statistically, there is a higher probability of one of them becoming a good leader in future keeping in view that there is a larger sample space.

The only thing I find pondering over is, Indira can't help in making the other girls good leaders in future but she can sure help her daughter with it.

Honey! I completely agree with charity starts at home and that prayer has always been my favourite one. It gives me immense strength even thigh I am agnostic. It somehow means more of believing in myself than anyone else, including God. Anyway, having said that, I am still not convinced with the view that whatever Indira did was inappropriate, it surely has been directed in an awful manner, though.

Thank you for the compliment Trolling Princess

Originally posted by: _saumya_

I would like to add tad bit about Roshni's comment and the various comments that deal with it.

Truly, inspiring a lot is a better thing to do than doing it yourself but if you don't have the first one in you, its ok to do your share than do nothing at all. Blessed are the people who are amazing orators and have the power if words to influence people but what if I am not, shouldn't I do the bit I can. I agree that the directors have tried to make us believe that Indira's speech was influential but I would just forget that part and believe that she did her share. You're right, just leading by example is just as great as leading by speeches etc. but that's the problem- in the show, absolutely not a single individual seems to want to follow Indira- not even Ishaan. I find that bit troubling especially since they would like us to believe that she is the well known Hitler didi of CC who inspires all the little girls (not that Ishan is a little girl) of her neighborhood 😆

About things start from home. Well its true that Indira has not been able to control her own family but because CVs have portrayed the family in such a way that it seems like nothing would change them, whatsoever. the track like always is being poorly dealt with because going to Rajjo to rescue her daughter without any plan was a bad idea . I agree that Indira isn't dealing with the situation in the best possible manner but I do not comply with certain arguments mentioned above.

I would love to hear to disagreements and agreements to my take.

Dia, this time I am waiting to see what is more important , views or people who give those views... 😉

Edit: sorry! You must be thinking kitna bakbak kar rahi hai ye aj 😆

Correct me if I am wrong but I consider myself good in Hindi and the first para of the song means ... Learn to respect yourself before you respect others and the last verse says " mushkile pade toh humpe itna karam.kar ... Sarh de toh dharam.ka, chalein toh dharam par" which means that in difficult tines, O Lord! Give us the strength to take up the right path. Now, who decides which is the right path. You might find a path right but I might not. Indira probably differs from your viewpoint. Also, Indira didn't know that Indu want asking in the can, obviously a mistake on her part but that's only humane, ain't it?

Sorry, if I digressed.

I would love to hear what you think Dia.

Originally posted by: _saumya_

So finally all the three of us are shipping on the same boat 😆 We can call KD too and go for vacations 🤣

Ok! So I think you know very well Dia, that not holding Indira responsible but just discussing the prospects might very well be your intentions but not everyone on the forum. I hope you don't have any feel good misconceptions about all of us.

Honey! That question was open to everyone . I would never direct a question which relates to Hindi to Dia 😆 I am sure, I know it better 😆 Anyway, that was a nice bhavarth Iska kya matlab? that your mom gave, a thorough analysis, even though I would like to ponder over on my own than take anyone's word on it. I am an agnostic, a firm one, I would have hard time taking all those words by heart.

She was a Hindi scholar... Please don't mind but I want to share a joke about Literature lecturers that I love.

The poet says "Curtains were blue"

literature teacher says " It reflects that the poet has written it in a gloomy mood however cheerful words he might have used"

The poet meant "The curtains were Freaking blue"

🤣 🤣

This is damn funny 😆

Dia! you might object to the statistical analysis but it actually does not hold good in any real life circumstance, mine or your's . because real life things are not as random as the data is supposed to be for the statistical anlysis to hold good. ufff! I started lecturing, I guess I am missing my TAship 😆

Yup, I agree. I guess the point I was trying to make is that the "Greater good" is undefinable or alternatively has many different definitions depending on one's perspective.

Dia! I really want to reply on your religious belief wala thread because my religious beliefs do not end on the word agnostic. I am a Hindu agnostic theist 😆 With people who do not know enough about Hinduism would think I am a believer but well, Hinduism is vast, enormous, it gives way to any belief that you have. I agree with you here as well- hinduism has 2 sides to it- the spiritual/philosophical (which I find fascinating) and the traditional diety/praying side. If we consider just the 1st side, I am very much a believer. OK! We will have this conversation some other time because I am just saying things completely not related to the post and p[eople might even get offended by my take at it.

You perfectly said it with Physics ka example. I hate you sometimes for coming up with such beautiful examples and expression of thoughts. I have to admit the thought is not completely mine- it was inspired from a recent program I watched about physics and challenging our traditional ideas of space/time etc. Nit hate you but yes, I get jealous. look at the whole thing have written it so messed and clumsy. 😒 Getting back to what I was saying. Yup! CVs have been trying to force their beliefs on us and i am not at all cool with it. But don't you tell me that everyone has been trying to say this. 😆😆😆 But let's not bother about that.

Now after this lambaa wala comment, i want to dedicate myself a song...

aaj kitne dino ke baad , forum me aaj Saumya nikli 🤣

A song from me to you: Aaja ve mahi tera rasta udik diya, rasta udik diya rasta udik diya, aaja ve Saumya tera rasta udik diya

Originally posted by: AllThingsNice

Dia...you purposely have these discussions over the weekend, right?? So that when I return on Monday, there is nothing left for me to say! Next time I'll post on a weekday so you get 1st dibs on commenting 😆 But well, sorry to disappoint you. I am stubbornly going to present an anecdote that reinforces / reiterates the point you are trying to make.

Our office had a fire drill last week. The intent of the fire drill, as everyone knows, is merely to sensitize people to what they should do when there is a fire in the building. The fire alarm goes off and everyone is supposed to take the stairway exit without hitting the panic button and causing a stampede.

One of my colleagues is an ex-defense person. He has served in the army before making his way back into civilian life. During the class session of which exits lead where etc. this colleague just happened to mention that when there is a fire, the first instinct is to head for the exit. But the reality is that if fire is fought in the first five minutes, then there are chances that it can be controlled. That way, the damage to life and property can be minimized. So, maybe the training should cover a bit of that too. So that people know to deal with fire.

The MD of the company asked him to quieten down because fighting fire is the work of firemen and everybody's first concern should be to head to safety. To this, the ex-defense person said that our office is on the fourth floor of the building. If the fire can be controlled, then we stem its natural tendency to move upwards, thus giving the people in the upper floors more time to vacate. Its not as though people should not get to safety, but if someone knows to fight the fire, then they should stay and help in doing it. The MD was not at all happy to hear this and asked him not to divert the session with irresponsible statements.

Was it really an irresponsible statement? Was there no merit in what he was saying? Sure, there was because it was for the greater good. But the MDs point is: even if you are confident of fighting the fire, I, in my place, cannot allow you to do it because I am answerable for your safety and security. Even well trained people are at risk and I cannot risk anyone's safety. Besides, even if we assume that we do train office staff to firefight, should the occasion come up, who decides who should stay and who should leave?

Interesting anectode Kanan, I wonder what the firemen would have to say about this (if they would see the civilian staying and helping as something positive or ultimately a hindrance- especially if the civilian did not succeed and was added to their list of people to rescue- considering that if he had just saved himself when he had the chance, the firefighters could focus on resucing others who did not have this opportunity). But, on the other hand if he was successful, people would applaud his "unselfish" behavior.

There are no answers. You're right. And here's a question. The answer to this is closer to the point made in your original post. This is for whoever is reading this and might be interested in answering:

If you knew a pregnant woman who has had eight children already (three deaf, two blind, and one mentally retarded) and is herself suffering from syphilis, would you recommend that she have an abortion?

Originally posted by: _saumya_

Wo oh! Dia and Honey! That's Beethoven KD is talking about. 😆

Because I know it's Beethoven we are talking about, I might have a biased answer so I will back to edit this comment when I have thought it through. But I think , I will still suggest abortion if the woman can not afford to manage all the kids. I am not very sure about the medical side of all this.

Will be back!