The Greater Good - Page 2

Originally posted by: Walden

Thanks for writing in. You brought up 2 points in your comment, one about "selfishness" and one about "the greater good." If you don't mind, I would like to address only the 2nd point in this topic. The debate on selfishness is a whole another topic which I promise to post next week (btw I think my signature is somewhat reflective of what I think about selfishness/unselfishness). But getting back to the "greater good" point.

Looking at the current situation, Indira is willing to forgo her daughter's safety in order to get Rajrani arrested and save the many girls that may potentially have been jeopordized if Rajrani stays in power. For you, this is acting in the greater good (correct me if I'm misunderstanding or misrepresenting your viewpoint).

But this is my point, how do we know that if we save Indu now that she actually won't grow up to save millions and by denying her this chance, we are really not acting in the greater good. If saving 15 lives is better than saving 1, then surely saving millions (which is what indu may do if she is given the opportunity) is better than saving 15? Is the greater good just defined by numbers? 15 is better than 1 and 100 is better than 15? I don't know the answer to this but I surely don't appreciate the fact that people (by this I mean the writers and Indira's character) like to believe that they do and somehow pretend that their approach to sacrifice 1 for the many is "better" or more "just" than the person who wants to save 1 life who is in immediate danger at this time, when the rest could be saved thru many other means.

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Originally posted by: Heema22

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Very Well raised point heem di.. If HD cvs truely want to bring society together, they need to show that the parents of the rescued children come to help INshi and raise their voices against the cruelty of RR. That will help to spread the message that unity in society can do wonders !! This will truely give a complete social message.teamwork only gains greatness. No body can be great alone. Absolutely true Heema di.. We have M.K.Gandhi who has earned greatness but thats only because he had fought ,not alone, but with help of everybody's skills.. The freedom fight was not his alone but he gave space of encouragement to everyone and thats what made India's STRUGGLE GREAT because it was every man's show !

Heema Di ..What a choice of the verse !

Humko mannki shakti de naa..

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Roshni . I happy that you understood my POV. When I was watching furious Indira beating RR. I was was shock to see no one in audience joined in .If writers have included those mothers with rage about RR abducting their daughter ,this would have made incredible impression on me. And powerful massage to society . Every one just stood one place with their daughters and did nothing. one of them acknowledge the fact that Indira was great but So what? . Where is her daughter ? Why aren't you fighting for her daughter as she fought for yours. Every one looked so selfish. We never "fall united" . they needed to join in and overtake RR.This was very disappointing . United civil movement with massage would have been very powerful in my POV but they want to show Indira's Jung.

Dia I am sorry to divert your post but this was bothering me!.

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I will try to make sense here. Tell me if you want me to elaborate my viewpoint if it seems absurd. I will just reformulate your line and use my statistical knowledge to it.

How do you know that none of those girls will Grow up to become politicians and stop human trafficking? And statistically, there is a higher probability of one of them becoming a good leader in future keeping in view that there is a larger sample space.

The only thing I find pondering over is, Indira can't help in making the other girls good leaders in future but she can sure help her daughter with it.

Honey! I completely agree with charity starts at home and that prayer has always been my favourite one. It gives me immense strength even thigh I am agnostic. It somehow means more of believing in myself than anyone else, including God. Anyway, having said that, I am still not convinced with the view that whatever Indira did was inappropriate, it surely has been directed in an awful manner, though.

Originally posted by: _saumya_

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I will try to make sense here. Tell me if you want me to elaborate my viewpoint if it seems absurd. I will just reformulate your line and use my statistical knowledge to it.

How do you know that none of those girls will Grow up to become politicians and stop human trafficking? And statistically, there is a higher probability of one of them becoming a good leader in future keeping in view that there is a larger sample space.

The only thing I find pondering over is, Indira can't help in making the other girls good leaders in future but she can sure help her daughter with it.

Honey! I completely agree with charity starts at home and that prayer has always been my favourite one. It gives me immense strength even thigh I am agnostic. It somehow means more of believing in myself than anyone else, including God. Anyway, having said that, I am still not convinced with the view that whatever Indira did was inappropriate, it surely has been directed in an awful manner, though.

I would like to add tad bit about Roshni's comment and the various comments that deal with it.

Truly, inspiring a lot is a better thing to do than doing it yourself but if you don't have the first one in you, its ok to do your share than do nothing at all. Blessed are the people who are amazing orators and have the power if words to influence people but what if I am not, shouldn't I do the bit I can. I agree that the directors have tried to make us believe that Indira's speech was influential but I would just forget that part and believe that she did her share.

About things start from home. Well its true that Indira has not been able to control her own family but because CVs have portrayed the family in such a way that it seems like nothing would change them, whatsoever. the track like always is being poorly dealt with because going to Rajjo to rescue her daughter without any plan was a bad idea . I agree that Indira isn't dealing with the situation in the best possible manner but I do not comply with certain arguments mentioned above.

I would love to hear to disagreements and agreements to my take.

Dia, this time I am waiting to see what is more important , views or people who give those views... 😉

Edit: sorry! You must be thinking kitna bakbak kar rahi hai ye aj 😆

Correct me if I am wrong but I consider myself good in Hindi and the first para of the song means ... Learn to respect yourself before you respect others and the last verse says " mushkile pade toh humpe itna karam.kar ... Sarh de toh dharam.ka, chalein toh dharam par" which means that in difficult tines, O Lord! Give us the strength to take up the right path. Now, who decides which is the right path. You might find a path right but I might not. Indira probably differs from your viewpoint. Also, Indira didn't know that Indu want asking in the can, obviously a mistake on her part but that's only humane, ain't it?

Sorry, if I digressed.

I would love to hear what you think Dia.

Originally posted by: _saumya_

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Honey! I completely agree with charity starts at home and that prayer has always been my favourite one. It gives me immense strength even thigh I am agnostic. It somehow means more of believing in myself than anyone else, including God. Anyway, having said that, I am still not convinced with the view that whatever Indira did was inappropriate, it surely has been directed in an awful manner, though.

Hands down Honey to that one.line " what rights do parents have to sacrifice their children's lives"
I must say you have got my weak point c and just hit it right with that line. Parents are instead supposed to be well aware that t they well have to keep their children on the top of priority list before they give birth to them. And that they might have to give up their mahanta for them.

Ok, so I guess now e are shipping the same boat that I didn't think w were in the beginning. I too think that Indira's decision of saving all of them want wrong but poorly executed.

Originally posted by: _saumya_

Hands down Honey to that one.line " what rights do parents have to sacrifice their children's lives"
I must say you have got my weak point c and just hit it right with that line. Parents are instead supposed to be well aware that t they well have to keep their children on the top of priority list before they give birth to them. And that they might have to give up their mahanta for them.

Ok, so I guess now e are shipping the same boat that I didn't think w were in the beginning. I too think that Indira's decision of saving all of them want wrong but poorly executed.

Originally posted by: Heema22

Walden expressed her views about Greater good. I want to take the frist Statement @ bold.

You are talking about our great nation's Independence movement and those great people who participate in independence movement . No one stood alone. Many individuals joined the forces . This war was all over India. . Every one was fighting around India for one and only one cause " independence of India " this was done in unity . United we stand and decided we fall. Humanity is crushing ( it's you said ) because we are divided and do not agree on issues and every one trying to fight for their self interest and they bring others down who has difference of opinion or interest. If greats were alive today they will teach us to unite forces and not just start fight by yourself against social issues. During Independace movement , many people sacrificed their own lives but none of them sacrificed their young daughters life ( per my knowledge ) . Indira is not sacrefying her life she has her daughter's life on line . Big difference in my view point . I have no problem if Indira is giving up her own life to bring others daughters to their parents.she never offer RR herself for Indu!! This would have been great mothers sacrifice . I would have been happy viewer of this great mother.