Why Maafi (Forgiveness) is Needed?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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BV deals with some heavy concepts that trips me up: Ehsaan (Gratefulness), Maafi (Forgiveness), Prayascit (Repentance). They are not black n white concepts...with clear answers...and there are proverbs every which way... "Ghar ka bhula shayam peh lauta" ya "Kuch galatiyoon ka maafi nahi hoti?"... they leave me scratching my head even without dandruff🤣🤣 So, let me empty my mind here b4 I end up with migraine:😆

Ehsaan (Gratitude) - CM is concerned the Singh's ehsaans will lead A to accept J back as her pati. Yeh toh nahi hogi unless J can raise the dead since Anandi is bound by Bhago ki Vaachan. Then there is Gauri ki Baby Dukh...neither of which CM is aware of. But, Anandi will surely soften...already she feels guilty about her inability to forgive Jugya. Seeing DS, B, etc. heartbroken particularly DS and seeing J in his miserable state she will certainly soften further. Then there is her habit of being J's savior and shield. Old habits die hard. All this is not, however, A returning ehsaan...its just A being A. Ehsaan is more transactional. I did X for you, So you do Y for me. No - the rishta btwn her and the Singh parivaar is pyaar not ehsaan. She may well forgive J out of love for the Singhs not J himself.

Maafi (Forgiveness) - J last week was treating it like a PRIZE he had to win. Something he was entitled to because he was "sorry". But, Maafi is not a right or entitlement. It has to be earned by the sinner/wrongdoer. That said, the Giver of Maafi can give it without repentance... Some are going on and on here about how G cannot be forgiven by J because she is not sorry... Sorry, but forgiveness of someone is independent of them apologizing to you. Forgiveness for the giver in many ways is freeing - about the victim letting go of negative baggage/injury they carry...its not a tit-for-tat rishta dependent on the sinner's sorry. In sum, by forgiving J all his sins Anandi frees herself from the pain he's inflicted on her to date including Bhago's death. And its something she can do for herself regardless of the selfishness of his sorry. Forgiveness does not undo changes time has wrought - i.e. JaAn divorce or sagaai with Shiv). It is simply the letting go of her past hurt. Decision not to carry a grudge or pain in her hear toward Jagya. From this perspective, A's perspective that is...Maafi is needed. Its not a prize that J wins... but, Angst that A dumps from her soul! Freeing it to be one with Shiv😉

Prayaschit? Paschyatap? (Repentance? Penance?) - J seems to have changed his mind about this and is now intent on A's barbaadi... But, I ve faith that the CVs will return to this later...when J will become even more barbaad due to his mission or lack of insight/vision... So, let me pontificate on it. Like forgiveness...its an independent concept. The sinner's penance need not be tied to the wronged one's. Penance/Repentance is actually about the sinner setting things right to the extent s/he can or to punish themselves to the extent they feel is appropriate keeping in mind their crimes/sins. Its a self determinate concept...where the goal/standard is set by the sinner and rarely the wronged. The goal maybe maafi, but it cannot be the contractual goal...i.e. if I do x as penance then I will be forgiven for Y sin. True penance is self punishment independent not only of the sinned but, maafi. Its the Sinner's attempt to rise/think beyond Maafi. Its a concept that J definitely does not comprehend as he feels that he has already suffered sufficiently...but, when he actually gets how wrong he is only then may grasp this.

Redemption - what is it? This trips me up more than Repentance... its even more convoluted... its societal recognition that the Sinner is once more worthy. They have risen above their wrongs...not because they have been forgiven, but their good deed out does the bad ones once more I think...

Aaah relief my mind is once more vacuous... ready to be filled with nonsensical crap😆 If u ve not nodded off... then feel free to share your own thoughts about these concepts. 😊

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Edit - Applying these concepts to current facts, A & Singhs may forgive J with result that Ghadesar returns home and executes revenge...don't worry his fail is guaranteed... then he will be repentant once more...and we will return where we started - "kuch galatiyoon ki maafi nahi hoti!" 🤣🤣

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I liked your post. Very nicely explained all the concepts. I agree ur forgiveness concept too that anandi will indeed free herself from the pains in the past. But I just feel that forgiveness should be given to a person who is worthy of it. In this case J is not yet worthy. His wrongdoings don't end here. So, as of now anandi cannot even free herself ... But someday hopefully 'he' will be a person who anandi would be able to forgive n that day she will finally release this burden which she feels at this stage n forgive him without 'he' asking for forgiveness. Thus us what I feel unless cvs hv any different plans. Also, whatever I mentioned is abt forgiving j for his deeds not going back to him... Anandi<=>shiv , shiv<=>anandi is the only equation rooted for me!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I do not care what you have have written..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Maafi drama Pure. 1 month se dekh rahe . Ansh shadi hone tak bv dekhna bandh karana padega.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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You r ri8!
Every1 here tries to wash the hands off of the dirt...

Bhairon wants to do justice to Anandi as he brought her haveli.

DS wants to show her pota that she loves him through out at any cost irrespective of Bhairon's response...n already got Anandi's case finalized...

Jagat also planned 4 saat khun mafi..but was unsuccessful n trying last resorts...

Anandi wants to repay the Singh's help to her by trying to be softer on humanitarian grounds n convince Bhairon.. Who shd not hv probs after a's marriage...

Cm wants to show she cares shiv more than anything / anyone...

Shiv's family.got convinced as of now... But might feel embarrassed to see her softer stand ...

Shiv is the only person I hope is by the side of Anandi to steer her to her destiny AnSh...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sreevask

You r ri8!
Every1 here tries to wash the hands off of the dirt...

Bhairon wants to do justice to Anandi as he brought her haveli.

DS wants to show her pota that she loves him through out at any cost irrespective of Bhairon's response...n already got Anandi's case finalized...

Jagat also planned 4 saat khun mafi..but was unsuccessful n trying last resorts...

Anandi wants to repay the Singh's help to her by trying to be softer on humanitarian grounds n convince Bhairon.. Who shd not hv probs after a's marriage...

Cm wants to show she cares shiv more than anything / anyone...

Shiv's family.got convinced as of now... But might feel embarrassed to see her softer stand ...

Shiv is the only person I hope is by the side of Anandi to steer her to her destiny AnSh...


Even Shiv will get tripped up by his own goodness and feminist nature...he cannot imagine the blackhole that is J. He may think J is genuinely sorry...and A's maafi is her choice, so he should not intervene in it.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ



Even Shiv will get tripped up by his own goodness and feminist nature...he cannot imagine the blackhole that is J. He may think J is genuinely sorry...and A's maafi is her choice, so he should not intervene in it.


Haan...this danger is there with Shiv's thinking that cd as well b manipulated by chota mind...
More screeching ahead!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: melliflous

I liked your post. Very nicely explained all the concepts. I agree ur forgiveness concept too that anandi will indeed free herself from the pains in the past. But I just feel that forgiveness should be given to a person who is worthy of it. In this case J is not yet worthy. His wrongdoings don't end here. So, as of now anandi cannot even free herself ... But someday hopefully 'he' will be a person who anandi would be able to forgive n that day she will finally release this burden which she feels at this stage n forgive him without 'he' asking for forgiveness. Thus us what I feel unless cvs hv any different plans. Also, whatever I mentioned is abt forgiving j for his deeds not going back to him... Anandi<=>shiv , shiv<=>anandi is the only equation rooted for me!


Oh am not saying J's offences to date r at all forgivable...just that A frees herself by forgiving. But, I agree that the person shud be worthy of forgiveness...when one forgives an unworthy person then they free themselves, but the wrongdoer is lessonless and perpetrates worse sin...such has been J's pattern and will con't to be. But, this will be is last MAAFI for a long long long time if he blows it. As he will ve used up even the Sympathy card he is using to obtain his maafi...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

BV deals with some heavy concepts that trips me up: Ehsaan (Gratefulness), Maafi (Forgiveness), Prayascit (Repentance). They are not black n white concepts...with clear answers...and there are proverbs every which way... "Ghar ka bhula shayam peh lauta" ya "Kuch galatiyoon ka maafi nahi hoti?"...



its khane ki khichdi...K3

my prob..y so much of complexity..kyun kyun kyun...K3

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Anji,maafi is required so that ladesar can make a grand entry into the haveli and have a luxurious life without doing any work.

Dadisa will eventually ensure this. And ..well I wont comment on Anandi.

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