Shyam and his so called Lust factor - Edited* - Page 8

Originally posted by: sree07

ok now i should shut up and go home. Totally agree. Good points to make me take a break from oh-shyam-is-not-so-bad posts... Thanks for the insight.

I really did not think of this POV. Shyam never had a chance to express his lust...lol. I totally missed the bulls eye. CVs never gave him a chance. Ya.. agree :). Very very nice post...

My name is sree...u got it right...

Originally posted by: ipkkndfan_29

Sree ... I genuinely felt your insight highlighted a lot of points about Shyam that are legitimate... so you HAD hit the bull's eye ... my point in all this was that I agree with you (about Shyamu being obsessed) and have thus focused more on the reasons as to why it has been shown like this (of him not taking it forward with Khushi) by CV's (as per my POV) ... so its more about why it is so and if it was shown differently then what could have happened.

Also I do state here that whatever happens when it comes to morality and goodness of heart (& I am not focusing here on Arnav's behaviour towards Khushi when he is angry), there is no comparison between Arnav & Shyam.

But then Shyam & Arnav are both immensely complex characters and if you analyze their each and every trait, then you understand that there is no right or wrong about how you perceive these character's and their thoughts... Some see it as simple as Black & White and some can fathom the grey within it.

BTW none of this is Shyam or ASR or Khushi or for that matter any Forum member bashing...LOL thought a disclaimer was necessary 😆😆

Hi Sree,

Wonderful post. I agree with your analysis a lot. I even loved the way ipkkndfan_29 has added more layers to the analysis. I will refrain from making a 3 mile reply but here is what I think.

I am usually very annoyed at CVs for giving their main story characters extremely exemplary arc, only to butcher them down mercilessly - the way they did with ASR making Kushi sleep outside - This is not about that, so don't want to digress.

I think the CVs are still showing that brilliance with Shyam's character and characterizations. I think, Shyam is the most effective villain with minimal screen time, minimal villainy but maximum impact. I posted similar thoughts in another post.

Take any Hindi Soap. There are at least 15 villains all harping on the female lead. Even in the number 1 and number 2 show, there are at least 3 people planning the down fall of the female lead and are rather cruel all the time. In IPKKND, we have one so called villain. Shyam. How much has he tortured Kushi? If you ask me, except for his leering at her and confessing her love and manhandling her twice, not much. Yes he tried to kill Anjali, but after a while those attempts were silly and humorous culminating his beloved scorpion trying to kiss him. He tortured Kushi's father. But Kushi is still unaware of the fact. This is where I feel IPKKND is different. Kushi's tears, in the last 9 month are only 10% because of Shyam. We all know who cause the other 90%.

But Shyam still has been effective more than any villain, because his brain worked in the most critical and key moment to start the hatred track. Not only did it click, it did irreparable damage. He was cunning, clever and managed to make ASR turn black from grey. He wanted ASR to be angry at Kushi. This way in his twisted mind, he thought Kushi who was getting giddy at ASR buying her bangles, would run to him for protection. Shyam knows, ASR's wrath. But he also cleverly directed all of ASR's anger towards Kushi. He taunted ASR and challenged him to go tell Anjali. He was so confident Anjali would take his side instead of her chotey. Later he was panicking. But not in front of ASR. This is what reduced Arnav from becoming a true ASR. Shyam in his mind thought, ASR will do something to Kushi where in he can step in and be Kushi's savior once again.

So to me, Shyam has all good, bad and ugly forms of attraction, lust and so called love for Kushi.

If anyone can think of SRK in Darr. There were many who were sympathetic to SRK in that movie. But none (at least I hope) expected any different outcome in the end. He got what he deserved. Shyam to me is a variation of that. In his mind him loving Kushi is enough and Kushi shouldn't and doesn't have the right to say yes or no to him. In his mind, the only logical thing for Kushi to do and feel is accept his love and obsession and lust. If Kushi doesn't do that, it is not because Kushi doesn't love him, but it is because Shyam feels, circumstances and fate are the villains for him.

This is where I think CVs have done a masterful job. He always makes surprising comments to Anjali, yet when Anjali looks at him, he sweet talks the same sentence and makes her giddy. He is always using his brain in small amounts at a time, but he had two masterstroke moments so far. One was confronting ASR, realizing, ASR knowing the half truth and stabbing ASR in front and back and completely killing ASR love for Kushi - even if it is only for the time being.

So in closing, Shyam's character in my opinion, the CV's are still holding close. They have shown Shyam execute some of his plans with 98% failure rates, because I have a feeling, and I hope the CVs don't disappoint me, but they are holding Shyam back and will unleash him later on, and he will be even more devastating to Arnav and Kushi and this was just a trailer.

Originally posted by: ipkkndfan_29

Hey Sree (I hope that's your name & I didn't get it wrong 😃 ) ... Excellent post with good insight on Shyam's character 👏👏

I for one have always maintained that Shyam's feelings for Khushi have always been portrayed as an obsession ... an obsession which has been increasing steadily to the extent that it has slowly started over shadowing reality and has blurred the lines between right and wrong for this damaged individual. Only extreme obsession would not let Shyam understand that Khushi does not love him and WILL never love him irrespective of whether his matrimonial status changes ... this signifies how deeply twisted his mental state is.

As far as lust is concerned I do feel that some part of him lusts after Khushi in the same way that Arnav does (but with a major difference which I have mentioned later in my reply) ... a physical attraction to her beauty and her extremely feminine attributes -- However, I believe there are a couple of reasons why this has never been portrayed by CV's:

1. Shyam is the villain here who cannot be shown as being physically close to a girl who is supposed to be pure and innocent both for the love of her life (read Arnav) and the world.

2. Khushi no matter what is portrayed as an extremely moralistic & lower middle class girl who believes that her "izzat" is her most prized possession. If Shyam was shown as physically lusting after her and violating her bodily to an "extreme" degree, then it would definitely disgust & make her mad her enough to scream bloody murder. If you notice, "most of the time" Shyam has been courteous while disguising his true intentions.
I think the nearest he came to physically violating her was the poolside scene on the sangeet night where he completely forgot himself and stepped in to her personal space to show that he has a right to be in her life. This IMO was worse than the terrace scene where even though he hugged her , it was more on the lines of a lover albeit an obsessed one declaring his love to the other person. It looked ugly because we knew what is the story behind it all...as you said its all about perception.

Now coming to Arnav's attraction to Khushi as partly being lust --- I am not sure that that is correct. I have my own reasons to believe that Arnav's reactions to Khushi even though always based on physical attraction (especially initially) and the simmering sexual tension between them has always been a very huge part of their "relationship", but still there is vast difference between Arnav & Shyam's feelings:

Arnav has been in close physical proximity to khushi right from the start whether he was angry with her or when he had realized his feelings for her. But this physical attraction was NEVER one sided. Khushi has equally been affected by finding herself near him. She has never minded whether she is in his arms or he is holding her close to her. Arnav knows this and DESPITE THIS, he has never taken advantage of the right that this girl had allowed him. He has always been a gentleman whether it was while handing her her fallen duppatta with his eyes averted or when they were alone in Nanital.

This however has never been the case in the Khushi-Shyam equation. She has never been comfortable (in the physical sense) near this man even when she did not know the truth about him and even when he was engaged to her. The best example for this was the night in GH (after they are engaged) where Shyam holds Khushi's hand and she snatches it from him clearly indicating that this right was never given to him by her.

Now my question here is if Khushi had faced the same circumstances with Shyam even once before knowing his true face, if she would have fallen into Shyam's arms even once (like she had done uncountable times in Arnav's arms), would Shyam still not have acted and tried to get closer to her physically irrespective of her not being comfortable ... I think he would !!!
This I feel is the major difference between Arnav's & Shyam's attraction towards Khushi.

Now I just hope that the CV's never ruin Arnavs character and show him doing something in his extreme anger. However, I do feel that the CV's should take Shyam's obsession for Khushi to another level wherein he will decide to have Khushi at any cost whether it is by moving towards his prime obstacle Arnav or by going overboard in assuming that Khushi loves him and trying to make her his with force.

I know its been a long post...did not think I will type down so many of my thoughts on this topic ...I have missed a few more thoughts of mine but since am running out of time, I have decided to stop here 😆😆

Originally posted by: stafhtad

You were spot on and this was an excellent addition to a wonderful post by Sree. It is difficult for me to highlight the portion which I liked, as I like everything you wrote. 👏👏

Originally posted by: ipkkndfan_29

Thanks Sudha ... I have stopped making such analysis posts recently coz was really caught up in my work for the couple of months...It felt really good to write my thoughts after a long time 😃... I would have liked to write on the other points mentioned by Sree too but thought this was long enough 😛😆

P.S -- I adore your "What the Fictions" 👏👏

PPS -- Sorry Sree for spamming your post so much 😉😆
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:) no worries...absolutely loved your analysis and POV... hope to read more...

Originally posted by: stafhtad

Hi Sree,

Wonderful post. I agree with your analysis a lot. I even loved the way ipkkndfan_29 has added more layers to the analysis. I will refrain from making a 3 mile reply but here is what I think.

I am usually very annoyed at CVs for giving their main story characters extremely exemplary arc, only to butcher them down mercilessly - the way they did with ASR making Kushi sleep outside - This is not about that, so don't want to digress.

I think the CVs are still showing that brilliance with Shyam's character and characterizations. I think, Shyam is the most effective villain with minimal screen time, minimal villainy but maximum impact. I posted similar thoughts in another post.

Take any Hindi Soap. There are at least 15 villains all harping on the female lead. Even in the number 1 and number 2 show, there are at least 3 people planning the down fall of the female lead and are rather cruel all the time. In IPKKND, we have one so called villain. Shyam. How much has he tortured Kushi? If you ask me, except for his leering at her and confessing her love and manhandling her twice, not much. Yes he tried to kill Anjali, but after a while those attempts were silly and humorous culminating his beloved scorpion trying to kiss him. He tortured Kushi's father. But Kushi is still unaware of the fact. This is where I feel IPKKND is different. Kushi's tears, in the last 9 month are only 10% because of Shyam. We all know who cause the other 90%.

But Shyam still has been effective more than any villain, because his brain worked in the most critical and key moment to start the hatred track. Not only did it click, it did irreparable damage. He was cunning, clever and managed to make ASR turn black from grey. He wanted ASR to be angry at Kushi. This way in his twisted mind, he thought Kushi who was getting giddy at ASR buying her bangles, would run to him for protection. Shyam knows, ASR's wrath. But he also cleverly directed all of ASR's anger towards Kushi. He taunted ASR and challenged him to go tell Anjali. He was so confident Anjali would take his side instead of her chotey. Later he was panicking. But not in front of ASR. This is what reduced Arnav from becoming a true ASR. Shyam in his mind thought, ASR will do something to Kushi where in he can step in and be Kushi's savior once again.

So to me, Shyam has all good, bad and ugly forms of attraction, lust and so called love for Kushi.

If anyone can think of SRK in Darr. There were many who were sympathetic to SRK in that movie. But none (at least I hope) expected any different outcome in the end. He got what he deserved. Shyam to me is a variation of that. In his mind him loving Kushi is enough and Kushi shouldn't and doesn't have the right to say yes or no to him. In his mind, the only logical thing for Kushi to do and feel is accept his love and obsession and lust. If Kushi doesn't do that, it is not because Kushi doesn't love him, but it is because Shyam feels, circumstances and fate are the villains for him.

This is where I think CVs have done a masterful job. He always makes surprising comments to Anjali, yet when Anjali looks at him, he sweet talks the same sentence and makes her giddy. He is always using his brain in small amounts at a time, but he had two masterstroke moments so far. One was confronting ASR, realizing, ASR knowing the half truth and stabbing ASR in front and back and completely killing ASR love for Kushi - even if it is only for the time being.

Second was, him telling the truth to GH, before Kushi could. I know, no one might have paid attention to this. But that was a killer move too. Going and accepting his fault and breaking off the engagement and apologizing etc, he planted the seed that he is redeemable. This is why they think, he may or can change. He came and confessed after all. He has effectively manipulated Kushi, Anjali, ASR, GH, Raizada all but doing pretty much little to nothing. If that is not an A class villain, I don't know what is. And Abhaas is extremely good looking and does a wonderful job. Or else, it is very hard to hate him as much as the other typical Hindi serial villains who torture the female lead 20 out of the 22 minutes, 5 days a week.

So in closing, Shyam's character in my opinion, the CV's are still holding close. They have shown Shyam execute some of his plans with 98% failure rates, because I have a feeling, and I hope the CVs don't disappoint me, but they are holding Shyam back and will unleash him later on, and he will be even more devastating to Arnav and Kushi and this was just a trailer.

Rgds