Stifled yearnings

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Link to previous post: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/gulaal/1841522/when-time-stood-still


Today's scenes include Kesar doing some seva of PB and then getting scolded for leaving Gulaal behind when he went to Reva's...interesting moments there as always with the undercurrents. Then another lovely and rare kind of scene where Gulaal talks about her desires, the things that make her happy after Talli cajoles her into talking about them.

Finally in the end we have a very rare scene showing Gulaal reminiscing while holding the imlis Kesar gave her, a very interesting conversation b/w her and MB post that which show just how much she NEVER thinks about herself or her future and her tangible loneliness in the end again.




So without further ado, here are the videos courtesy Jzee.


[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaCVl1RNObA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9718zYFyo[/YOUTUBE]



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Posted: 13 years ago
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*edit*

Nur the title 😲 I was thinking of the exact same for the vid when it was taking me ages to come up with something in 'hindi' - wow! 😆

*edit again*

actually the second posted clip is chronologically first =)

* and edit again - the final I hope *

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Scene 1

The tone in which this scene begins - with Kesar being all cute mother's boy, is insinuating on a few fronts. He's just gotten out of that cast-in-a-spell chatt moment with Gulaal, thereafter getting a brief but bull's eye reality doze from her. The sight of him even in the distance from the window of the room where the camera has closed up far more on PB - is the sight of a ruffled Kesar, hastening his way through a corridors, the restless air about his body language. And then his own gaze finds his mother - if a second ago he had no idea where he was going, preoccupied by the scene before - now he firmly walks right in, pulls on the little boy act and the grown up responsible son as well - all at once. Sulking why PB didn't call him to do the oil massage (even as sulking is Gullu's trademark 😆 ) and reminding her that her son is back. To me, there were underlying, albeit very subtle nuances , of how Kesar, perturbed beyond solace by his encounter with Gulaal manages to find this unquestioning, unconditional solace in his mother. He's offering to help her, but really, this is such a good distraction to take a break from the disturbing effect of the 'collision' and calm himself down so he can think straight again! A second time that he manages to find this comfort in his mother - after the other time when he physically shoved Gulaal and gave her some very cutting comments, before walking into the kitchen weighed down by the entire thing, until PB's affection eased the heaviness. Now too, PB's motherly love shines through her eyes at Kesar's 'son acts' and Kesar readily, willingly, unknown to him even hungrily, basks in that warmth pushing the other problem aside. Not long enough. PB - such a difference from her character in the final moth or so - a mother in all sense despite feeling so touched by her son's gesture, doesn't forget to question him about his latest escapade. And Kesar, with but a momentary time out on the tense situation stiffens immediately, at the mention of her name, Gulaal. To PB's obvious question, he grunts away a zaruri nahin samjha, and PB's partly incredulous and partly further reproaching reaction is but deserved. Kesar tries to gruffly argue his point and settle the debate once and for all again, with itne durr nahin rehte uske gharwale - but PB has not been blinded by the smoke of a decade that hinders Kesar's vision, logic, or arguments. So she shoots right back, the difference of a village and a city - pointing out not just the latest mistake, but indirectly also hinting to Kesar to not forget the ways of his real roots, merely because he's been away for a decade! Adds Gulaal's sacrifice for the house, which, as a reminder of Gulaal's goodness always does, has Kesar's eyes showing touch of remorse and doubt and inner fight - and to that (a partly indignant Kesar who believes he knows more than PB does and a partly grumpy Kesar at his futility to find even temporary break from 'Gulaal' - the good and bad and confusing in between of her) says the most un-Kesar thing he can - to kya sabke ehsaano ka bdala main chukaunga? There could be so many ways to interpret this, but to anyone who doesn't know better, you could almost translate it to figuratively imply his DV with Gulaal is the family's trade off for her sacrifice! Because its the 'husband' duty he has fallen short of, and deemed unnecessary, even an obligation in repayment to her 'ehsaan'. PB, rightly offended, gives him a sharp Kesar! here - only to be interrupted by JK. The irony of JK envying PB's luck for a son like Kesar and a DIL like Gulaal - when the son is just being reprimanded for failing responsibility and the DIL, officially, doesn't deem herself 'DIL' - with regard to Kesar anyway! JK the evil but ever obliging matchmaker, manages to say everything icky that has Kesar finding more cause to be uneasy - after that shocking intimacy moments ago, the whole she's your wife and you're her husband being shoved down his throat is obviously not helping, especially when he needs to re-gather his focus of hating Gulaal - and then to top the awkward situation that JK is such an expert at creating, in walks the dutiful patni aka bahu aka lady who spells trouble 😆 And Kesar, with the way he almost starts at her entry, is definitely not prepared for more of this hubby wifey talk in her presence, no more after that charged chatt scene. The way they eyes clash, and avert in tandem - is indication of how not prepared Gulaal herself is. But for the chai in her hands, you can imagine her tugging at her pallu 😆 and Kesar, well, this is really his first meet her eye moment again, after that caught in a trance moment on the chatt. He's fidgety, uneasy, not in a state to deal with this closing in on him from all ends awkward situation. So he does, what he's been doing best these last few days. Excuses himself (formerly because the alter presence so demands) to walk away. Not before he comes face to face up close with her, the two have another charged eye-talk, Kesar looking ever so disturbed, almost like he expects for a second to find a comforting answer in her eyes; but there's so much conflict in his mind, so much confusion in Gulaal's own eyes from her incomprehension of his unpredictability - he pushes past her partly in haste to escape, and partly in covering up for all his lost 'cold act' upper hand - leaving her to at least momentarily look after him with a 'tries-to-be-discrete-in-vain' WTH expression!

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Scene 2

I love this scene. A rare one, minus Kesar, full on Talli - but Mansi is magic here. The melancholy in her is inescapable. Speaking only for myself - and this may be surprising to some people - this is the only poignant Mansi/Gulaal scene that actually makes me misty eyed. The real sad stuff, is just intense to me, gripping, the kind I stare at like I've dissolve into the screen - but this one... is just different. The entire oblivion of Gulaal to what she has done to herself is disturbing to me far more, even, than the time, when say Kesar is being ridiculous to her, or even when she becomes a fallen angel. What anyone else does to her - anyone including Kesar, is one thing. What she has done to herself, in such a slow and unknowing but steady manner over the decade, is another. When she tells Talli kuch thik se yaad bhi nahi hai in response to naming some favorite - its worse that she's telling the truth. So far and deep inside has she buried the real Gulaal, that she no longer remains consciously aware of that existence. And interestingly, all the things that she lists as having liked sum up to one simple sentence - what I like most about life, is living it. And that's exactly what she has ceased to do in a decade - she has quit living life. She's only leading her days now. One after the other, like a wall clock that ticks away second after second, living time like an eternity, but in a way of a mechanical duty - not realizing the eminence of those seconds ticking away. As she recounts one thing after the other that she once liked so much (notice the past tense she employs) there is an unreal shine in her eyes, like she's having vivid visions of that time, and like a part of her brain has transported her back to that glorious lively past, but a part of her is just in this brief timeless spell of a sort - so she's not narrating in an animated manner, but in a dreamy fashion - like she'd sleep talk through her happy dream! Until, she wakes up. Just before she says ab to mujhe ye ghar he pasand hai - she takes those couple seconds to compose herself, almost like she was possessed by a spirit that she needs to shake off, get back the current day Gulaal into her body - and speak in accordance. The shine disappears. The smile widens in such a heart wrenching manner, you want to wipe it off, because its such a mockery of reality! To Gulaal, she has just snapped out of a 'dream' and descended back to reality. But to a viewer, she has just snapped out of her real person, to wear the mask of a substitute Gulaal and regain her dutiful limbo again. Mildly she chides Talli to have distracted her with redundant chatting, excuses herself to sleep - but a tiny part of her heart knows what was briefly awakened inside her, another tiny part knows she's running away from this awakening lest it begins to gain blood and overpower her resolve, and the most part of her, is just back to abiding by her robotic head and its mundane instructions. Mansi goes beyond herself in this scene. 👏 If I was going to rate her solo performance on this show - this might be my favorite scene. And can I dare to say, I'm ever so glad Kesar never gets to eavesdrop on this chat just here. A part of me is craving he would see her talking like this, and jolt out of his ridiculous grudge, but a part of me knows and appreciates, and roots for the reality of how things are, how not every time one laments a loss - even with a smile on the face - is an angel sitting ready with a wand to fix it!

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for Scene 3 - scroll down...
Edited by JZephyr - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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LOL you like it? I was wondering if it was too short but yeah that's all I could think of regarding today's scenes especially the Gulaal ones with the imli, MB, and with Talli in the end. *high fives for thinking alike then!* lol

*Edit: My bad...fixed the order of the vids now😆


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Caps batch 1:

So first we start off with Kesar being a good boy😆...all pampering his mother...awww😆




*sigh* I miss the original PB


Then she mentions Gulaal and Kesar ki tune change...back to budtameez mode😆



"Kesar!"...haha I love the daantne wala look PB gives him here...the look that says, 'you better come on line, boy...warna!"😆


And then arrives the star of the scene...our favorite evil cupid😆


The PATNI word...and everyone freezes😆


JK continues to lagaao mirchi😆


Gulaal maaroes an entry...I loved this shot...the camera angle they used





JK continues with her not so subtle digs about patni, duties etc. etc.😆...and K and G are squirming in their own ways




Kesar's had enough and it's time to leave now...do minute pehle he was like 'work doesn't matter...I'll take care of you, PB' and ab "Main karkhaane jaa raha hoon" waah beta😆


Ofcourse before leaving there has to be a set of intense looks exchanged😆




Gulaal's like woahh there, dude😆


Edited by nureat01 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thanks Nur for the post.
My comments might be a bit long .sorry😳

This is for the imli scene.

The first scene with Gulaal looking at the imlis is so beautiful.To think this must be the 1st gift that she got in 10 yrs.Ok there might have been gifts from
the family but this gift is special that she got from that special person in her life after Vasant of course.When you see the scene without knowing the story
you would feel that this is a woman in love who is cherishing the gift that she got from her loved one.MP's acting is praiseworthy here.no dialogues yet her expressions
makes us experience her happiness with her.To show the GV wedding photo in the background.very significant cause for once she doesn't look to Vasant but instead remembers
Kesar's sweet gesture.It always felt that though Gulaal had feelings for Kesar she suppressed them for the sake of the family especially MB and I feel that was the reason
for her harsh distant behaviour with Kesar later cause she knew that if she allowed him in she could easily fall for him.The conversation with MB is the supresssion of her
desires and wishes and her happiness.The last scene where she is picking up scattered imlis.so sad.It's like there's a tiny part in her somewhere that acknowledges that
she needs Kesar's companionship but has to sacrifice it for Talli.Beautiful scene with two very good actors.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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This is for the Ehsaan,kurbaani...

The title of the video is so apt here.In the first scene again we see the softer side of Kesar which always comes out in front of his mother.I love their scenes.It's best not to remember those last few episodes with the alien panba.and this scene is so good.It starts out with a son's concern and love for his mother's health.and Kesar is so cute here trying to pamper his mom.and then there's a change in the room with Panba's mention of not taking Gulaal.and the sentence that he says "maine zaroori nahi samjha" that was so hurtful and mean.i felt Gulaal's pain as if she had been standing there listening to him say that.and Kesar is so funny when he said "jab chahe jaa sakti hai woh"i wanted to jump in front of him and say really Kesar would you really let her leave? and show him the episode where after his confession he begs her not to leave him😆.then the dialogue"tho kya sabki ehsaanon ko main hi chukata rahun"this bit is very interesting.there's a complaint and it's like he doesn't want to accept the responsibility of being Gulaal's husband which everyone keeps reminding him of since he came back home.two opposite emotions here.He wants to be the husband but doesn't want to acknowledge it sort of thing going on.I know Iam rambling please bear with me.and then comes the rockstar JK⭐️ who really was a true GK champion for a very long time.she adds the needed mirch masala by referring to Gulaal as Kesar's wife. I love the expression on Kesar's face when suddenly Gulaal enters the room.it is very interesting.it is as if he still remembers what happened earlier
and at the same time has to keep up the "i hate you"face on which i think he is really not successful in.THE LOOK that he exchanges with her before
leaving the room speaks volumes.

The next scene is so poignant.I love Talli here.She is the only other person apart from kesar who treats her like an individual and not as Vasant's widow or Kesar's wife.Talli truly cares for her and we see it throughout the show.and it is so sad to see that the once lively,chulbuli and a selfloving person
like Gulaal does not remember what her likes and dislikes are.very sad.in trying to fulfil Vasant's dreams Gulaal forgets that she is a woman who herselfhas likes,dislikes,aspirations and desires which again Kesar brings up in yet another lovely scene.all in all this scene sort of sets the tone for the upcoming aam bagicha scenes(so looking forward to it).sorry for the lengthy dialogue,its the enthusiasm of pouring into words what i had been feeling watchin these scenes.looking
forward to a wonderful discussion.
on another note a what if scenario.if Gulaal had decided to leave the house for a few days during this kesar's angry phase(i know she wouldn't cause she is a fighter)
what would have Kesar done?i really wonder hmmm...



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Posted: 13 years ago
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Nice title Nur!..sums it up well..

@Paanbaa-Kesar scene..Loved this one!..ah I loved this lady who plays her...there is the right amount of motherly affection and sternness. Again he is made to realize that not taking Gulaal with him is a huge deal as much as he likes to think otherwise and unlike what he really expected it to be, just a private war between him and Gulaal.His answer that she could go anytime and visit, he doesn't want to make it seem that he crushed Gulaal's hopes for the day..and then Paanbaa goes on to say it isn't a realistic possibility in a village, indirectly indicating that there are some responsibilities he has to fulfill as being the 'husband' in the eyes of the society, though PB doesn't spell it out..we have JK for that!..lol..

@ehsaan..He does seem to be paying the price for Gulaal being in his life..she meant the world to him..and it came crashing down with one revelation.

There is this nervousness throughout when he is talking to PB..loved Neil's acting here.

Hail JK! 😆with her new mission to unite GK!..excessive use of the words, pati, patni, bahu, saas..and Kesar is shaken there..not like he doesn't know, but as we always say they don't like to be bound by such tags..it just makes it awkward each time.

Gulaal ki perfect timing wali entry..He is suddenly looking at her with the words Patni still ringing in his head, and their previous encounter on the terrace still fresh. While he gets up to leave and pauses in front of her.. he seems tensed?..and accidentally brushes past her..like many of you always say..'charged' is so the word for that moment.


@Talli-Gulaal scene.. very sweet one..Firstly, for Talli to remember to question her likes and dislikes after observing Gulaal at breakfast. Kinda reminded me of the scenes from Runaway Bride..something where Julia's character doesn't really know what kind of eggs she actually likes to eat..manages to adjust tastes depending on her boyfriend. Here Gulaal has been living according to everyone's likes for too long and makes it her liking as well. She doesn't give herself any attention pretty contrasting to what she was before Vasant's death. She's living for others than for herself..for 10yrs now..a very monotonous life..and I guess the only moments she did get into the playful mode was with Talli since Kesar wasn't around, so its fitting that its Talli here who gets to ask her these kind of questions.

She does eventually share her likes...but not without ending it on a note that she is satisfied in the confines of the house now...it's sad to see her cage herself this way, this self imposed set of rules that she has given herself..reminds you of Kesar telling her how she has been slowly and steadily killing the woman inside her..of course here it's not about major issues like marriage,, but even small pleasures of life..

@MB-Gulaal scene.. Gulaal thinking fondly of Kesar..sweet stuff.. the use of the imlis in this scene is interesting...as if she is holding on to these little moments of happiness that somehow remain shortlived in her life..as the Imli's fall on the floor...and when she tries to pick up the pieces she doesn't really know if she can build a dream where in there is nothing but happiness, where all her desires can be fulfilled..the uncertainty is too much.

Like many of you mention how alike Kesar and Gulaal are...here too its funny how MB asks both of them in a span of couple of days what their future plans are..and both of them have no real concrete answers to that...they tend to compartmentalize everything,.for now he has an agenda against Gulaal, and for now she has her mind fixated on getting Kesar getting married to Talli. MB here did not seem very pleased with his I assume, he points out the obvious what will be of her after this? MB worries about her, he worries that she never seems to think for herself...but then lets it be...because he can't do much..

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JZ...a little treat for ya and other NB fans of course.. :)

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/iss-pyaar-ko-kya-naam-doon/1842048/partying-on-the-sets-of-ipkknd-offset-pictures



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Scene 3:

The starting part of Gulaal coming across those imlis in the drawer had so much to put forth in symbolism.

A) A sign that she's hidden away 'feelings' and 'desires' - locked them away securely - but that these intangible things, represented by the tangible imlis in this case, are not what a person can control or subdue per wish. They can surface at any occasion, most unexpectedly, to remind us of good times and bad - and to bring about revelations we tend to ignore or be convincingly blind to for the most. So even in the midst of some very estranged times with Kesar - where she has almost given up on struggling to unearth her Kesar she finds this ray of hope - even if she doesn't explicitly think it out like that.

B) Take a bow DOP! Even in such a character face centric scene, he works with such nuance and excellence. The way the camera starts rollings from Gulaal's entranced smile reminiscing the imli scene, moves on to the picture of GV wedding behind that very aptly positioned heart shaped decor piece, to a reflection of her in the mirror - a happy enchanted reflection of a woman oblivious of what her heart is feeling. I love the way the camera comes to stand at a still of GV a couple married and so in love beneath that heart - like it were a blessed mistletoe - even as the woman unbeknownst to herself has traveled a few days back into time to a recent cherished memory of the re-advent of love in her life! Interestingly - she wears a dress in the colors red and yellow - our accepted version of Gulaal and Kesar - and the contrast in that frame of her past, present and advancing future co-existing in a harmony reflected by her treasured smile, is so well projected! The frame doesn't move away from GV frame when Gulaal's mind is occupied solely by Kesar - because Kesar has never been shown a 'replacement' to Vasant in Gulaal's life. Vasant has been shown a means for GK to come together! And I absolutely love the use of mirror, of how Gulaal has to but lift her eyes once and look at that reflection of herself to discover a girl so in love! Its like if she glanced up now, she would either not recognize that person looking back from the mirror - or be at least partly appalled at its existence!

C) At MB's calling of her name from the door, she quickly makes to pack the imlis away again - symbolic of the way she locks away her heart and its wishes from the sight or any and everyone -but they fall and scatter all over the floor - such a subtle but evident sign of how she cannot truly lock away the love that's going to blossom after the anguished gore is past! The way the imlis scatter is almost a foreboding of how Kesar's love for her will not be something that can be 'contained' and locked away! That it will spread in its impact far and wide, despite her urgent and hasty efforts to keep it under wraps!

D) G-MB conversation, what a fantastic elder-younger duo these two make 👏 There's so much that has gone between them in their life to bring them to this point, where he, disapproving of the biggest decision of her life, the DV, has accepted it without judging her for it; where she the ex-widow of one son, in name wife and once in duty guardian of her other son, proposes that she has an alliance prospect for her husband in name, his now only son alive! The ease with which Gulaal can open her 'longtime plan' to MB is all on account of the strength of their mutual understanding and trust beyond that critical disagreement over the DV itself. Its interesting how she is later accused by PB of never having told 'the mother of the groom' about prospects of matchmaking for her son; that she never had a conscious intention to 'hide' her plan is obvious from her talking to MB about this now. But that she subconsciously finds the greatest understanding for herself in MB - is obvious from how easily she shares her intention. PB may have well been the softer and easier target to claim - might have given in sooner to her 'son's scope for better happiness' than MB, who is far more stuck on the vital stats - aur tera dhyaan kaun rakhega? It reminds me of what JK had stated the other day in a far more taunting manner of course, but stating only fact, of what does she deem will be her position after letting Kesar go! Gulaal has no answer. She tells MB the same garbled crap that DB and PB dished out to JK's taunt the other day - of how Gulaal would always be part of this house, the prime part. But MB's eyes have the wisdom of his age and experience, and he knows, and shows through them - that she's talking either in naivete, or in preferential ignorance of facts. That no matter what else, if and once she lets Kesar go, nothing will in fact ever be the same for her!

E) The smile of assurance she put up for MB dissolves into solemnity as soon as he leaves. She may not yet foresee the extent of his gravity, but she can at least in the heart of heart understand where it stems from - and no matter what she tells herself, him, or the rest of world - Gulaal knows MB has legit reason to have questioned her not thinking about herself. Then her eyes catch sight of the fallen and scattered imlis. And the scene that follows, the transition of expressions - especially from the fond and cherished way she had reminisced at the sight of them earlier in the drawer - as opposed to now, is like she's collecting broken pieces of heart in every piece of that imli. The same imlis which when they fell and scattered earlier were like Kesar's love, impossible to be caged, are now like shards of her broken heart. She doesn't say or think verbally because they would be acceptance of a kind, but her heart can help but sink in desolation - at the prospect of letting go. A moment of tiny triumph at not having been denied her plan out-rightly by MB doesn't make her happy or call for celebration - but leaves her feeling vacant in place of that initial very satisfying emotion that had taken over her at the start of this scene. With her first step of success in separating Kesar from herself, Gulaal (although she doesn't ask herself why) only feels sad and lonely.

Overall a brilliant scene - with brilliant acting by both MP and MJ. That we get to have an insight on Gulaal's side, especially with regard to her relationship with GK - an unspoken but blatant evidence of how much it affects her to let him go - is such an early sign of the strain she feels long time from when the DV breaking genuinely draws in close. There is the in between where Kesar manages to push her so far back into recluse, that the loss of him is temporarily overshadowed by his 'offense' and 'violation' of her person and soul - but once those scores are settled and put past, the apprehension of Kesar's loss in Gulaal, although far more explicit and with far more conviction that she increasingly fails to deny, the fact that the fear itself has always been is obvious from this scene. And not the fear of losing 'the kid Kesar' and his affection, but the fear of losing her support system, her kavachh, her sapna - all in one go! Its interesting how later in between she begins to show far more signs of turning blind to this knowledge that she's handing over Kesar for good, how she chooses to revel in my dream of KT comes true rather than see that something inside is going to become null and void hence! But just here and now - Gulaal is far more acutely conscious of what she will lose. As always, she only manages to bury this personal emotion far below - transiently - when the moment demands of her, not long from now.
Edited by JZephyr - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Caps updated in the post above:

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Batch 2:

This was just such a sweeet and touching scene! I even loved Talli in it! LOL...seriously this was very veryyy sweet of her to genuinely pull all this out of Gulaal...you can tell how much she cared for Gulaal...and they were both just too cute together in this scene...Gulaal was relaxed in those few moments as Talli oils her hair...nice brief interlude




I love the bits when Gulaal starts reminiscing..."mujhe behta paani bahut pasand tha"...so apt given she's the water finding goddess of this show...lol...and the way she gets that faraway look in her eyes as if traveling back in time to happy memories...Manasi was brilliant in this bit




And then a pause...and you can see her pulling back...breaking away from the memories of when she was free, happy



Laughing it off...but this one line just broke my heart the way she said it, "ab bahar ki duniya mein kya ho raha hai, kuch pata nahin...aur mujhe jaanna bhi nahin...ab yehi meri duniya hai"...she tries to say it with her happy face but you can sense the tangible wistfulness/sadness lurking in her eyes, her body language...the way she's deliberately caged herself all these years...locked away any happy desires...*sigh* It's just so sad to watch her like this...what she's done to herself...





Again she says, "yeh bhi hum kya baatein lekar baith gaye"...as if she isn't even supposed to allow herself to go down this road...to think, to yearn for these things...*sigh* How sad is that



Imli reminiscing scene...Gulaal's smiles are sooo beautiful in this bit...and a very rare scene showing Gulaal thinking about Kesar so fondly in these terms...lol







MB calls out to her and startles her...the imlis fall...what brilliant symbolism




Oh Gulaal was just really breaking my heart in the scenes today...her scene with MB is so heartbreaking...especially when MB asks her, 'aur tera khayaal kaun rakhega?'...that line really hits home but as always she tries to brush it off and put on the happy face even as she can't prevent the tears falling from her eyes





And finally the very last bit with the imlis...the symbolism was just sooo poignant, so heartbreaking in this bit...the way she sees the scattered imlis and slowly starts picking them up, gathering them...while you can see the way she's looking almost dead inside...so broken...you really feel heartbroken for Gulaal in this scene





As always special applause for how beautifully this was shot...the DOP, the director...magicians, all of them👏
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Posted: 13 years ago
#9

Originally posted by: minizz

Thanks Nur for the post.

My comments might be a bit long .sorry😳

This is for the imli scene.

The first scene with Gulaal looking at the imlis is so beautiful.To think this must be the 1st gift that she got in 10 yrs.Ok there might have been gifts from
the family but this gift is special that she got from that special person in her life after Vasant of course.When you see the scene without knowing the story
you would feel that this is a woman in love who is cherishing the gift that she got from her loved one.MP's acting is praiseworthy here.no dialogues yet her expressions
makes us experience her happiness with her.So true...if a person was to watch this scene as a standalone, he'd think that GK were a proper couple...Gulaal's expressions are wonderful in this bit...truly Manasi was brilliant.


To show the GV wedding photo in the background.very significant cause for once she doesn't look to Vasant but instead remembers Kesar's sweet gesture. Vasant HAS to be omnipresent in every scene...lol...we can almost play a game of spot Vasant's portrait in the bg and we'd win it every time😆...but yes, I also found the placement interesting...the GV wedding picture in the bg and here we have Gulaal thinking of Kesar instead...it spoke volumes.


It always felt that though Gulaal had feelings for Kesar she suppressed them for the sake of the family especially MB and I feel that was the reason
for her harsh distant behaviour with Kesar later cause she knew that if she allowed him in she could easily fall for him. I don't think Gulaal really had those kind of feelings for Kesar at this point...because she has pretty much blocked herself off from feeling ANYTHING for anyone but Vasant since ages...but yes, there was a spark of something with Kesar that she definitely tried to ignore, or as you say suppress for the longest time cuz she couldn't even fathom that as a possibility consciously. And so yes...later on her major reason for shunning Kesar post his confession was definitely the fact that she was terrified of allowing herself to give in...she built it up as being WRONG, period in her eyes.

The conversation with MB is the supresssion of her
desires and wishes and her happiness.The last scene where she is picking up scattered imlis.so sad.It's like there's a tiny part in her somewhere that acknowledges that
she needs Kesar's companionship but has to sacrifice it for Talli.Beautiful scene with two very good actors. You know I find the last bit beautiful for how open it is to interpretation...the imlis are connected to Kesar...they symbolize what he means in her life, the happiness he can bring in her life...but that is never stated overtly in the scene...it's all in the symbolism...Gulaal was cherishing those imlis and thinking about Kesar before MB walked in...and during the entire conversation, she insists as much as she can that she wants to see Kesar settled with Talli and then she'll think about herself...but her face falls the moment MB leaves and the way she gathers up those imlis...the very imlis that Kesar brought her...trying to gather the scattered pieces of her life in a sense...but almost in a fatalistic way as if saying that this is impossible...I don't deserve even these stolen moments of happiness...it's not meant to be...but all of this is on a very very subconscious level...if someone were to ask Gulaal in that moment...what are you crying over? I doubt she would have a direct answer either...the most general one ofcourse would be how alone she feels after MB sort of pointed out again that she hasn't thought about herself long term after she marries off her current husband Kesar to Talli

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: minizz

on another note a what if scenario.if Gulaal had decided to leave the house for a few days during this kesar's angry phase(i know she wouldn't cause she is a fighter)
what would have Kesar done?i really wonder hmmm...





Minizz, please don't apologize...I'm really enjoying reading your input on the scenes...makes for a great discussion...feel free to ramble as much as you want! 😊

Regarding this bit...Gulaal would never have left the house during this angry Kesar phase cuz she could literally handle his worst barbs or any attack from him...what she couldn't handle was him confessing his LOVE for her😆...amazing paradox...his love for her was what scared her beyond anything...this woman who was otherwise fearless about most things literally ran back to her maayka when confronted with the reality of Kesar's feelings for her.

But in a hypothetical scenario...if she had left the house during this phase, Kesar would have found some flimsy excuse or the other to go to her house...on the pretext of 'visiting Reva' or anything...that's what I'd bet on😆

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