Raju Raja..Pre-Mugal era

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Have you guys ever wondered why non -indian people only know about Tajmahal or Lal kila? Yes we are taught about Haddapan civilization, but then we take a jum to Mugal era in our history books. Why don't they know about the other great historic pieces from Indian history? Why they emphasize more on Mugal art and Mugal structures?

This was the topic of a documentary showed on Discovery science...WHat the Ancient Knew...the India? It's one of the rare videos I have seen where they are not bashing Indian culture down.

In that documentary, they talked about a king Raju Raja(?). He ruled in 800AD( might be wrong) in South India. His empire was Vast. He used to do trade with Greeks and Romans. One of the authors from greek from that era had left his personal journals about the kingdom. It was pre-mugal era and India was at the top of its prosperity. They have found all the metals we used today and which USA claims that they are the ones who developed it. Apparantly, greek merchant also mentioned in his diaries that he saw these statues made out of some metals that were unknown to him. He also saw many attributes to Raju Raja kingdom that he hadn't seen before.

He was one of the few kings who build many temples. His city had present day water drainage system. He had Universities. Both women and men went there. The greek author mentions that he was suprised how women roamed the city without any fear. Women also worked. When Mugals came and started to destroy many temples, Priests and local people were instructed to bury the treasures and important statues of dieties. Raju Raja also left the city with its pupil. No one knows if they left or if they were forced to leave the city. Over time tree grew around the city and the city was burried under a huge forest. By the time Europeans came, people had forgotten about the city. Then in 16th century, a British general was going through that jungle when he stumbled accross the temples and the city. Some of te temples were 80 stories high. First he was surprised to see such a magnificent structures and he sent letter to te queen that he has discovered treasure. But when he looked closely many of the temples had statues carved in sexual positions. He immediately wrote back to the queen that he has found something of a very demeaning nature. He wrote in his journal and in the letter to the Queen that, what he discovered should remain in jungle. No one needs to know about this. He stated that it seems like devil's work and these people who lived here were savages.

Later on, Indian gov't did find various statues and every day utensils stacked up against each other in the basments of buried houses.

The author of the documentary stated ," this was one of the reasons why so much of pre-mugal Indian history remains unlocked." Christans at that time were te authors of our history. They saw mugal art with flowers and the structures showed great resemblance to their own architecture. They glorified the mugal era in history books while other Indian history to them didn't deserve to come into the light.

Hope you guys didn't get bored! I found this so interesting. I never though about this issue before. But it's true. How often do we hear about pre-mugal era? Heck, the Aryan theory now they are finding out is false..again written by Christian authors. What do you guys think about this?

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Posted: 19 years ago
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I forgot to mention. The reason I started this topic was to know if you guys have heard about this King. I tried to do internet search, but I only found one aticle on it, but I wasn't sure if that's the same RajuRaja King.

I wonder how many of you are interested in History...because I get so excited about these things. Don't you guys get tired too watching what Romans contributed or what Greeks contributed. Anytime you turn history channel on, they are always showing Egyptian, Roman, or Greek or American history. I am so overloaded with that. I was first excited to learn about those cultures, but years after years, it got boring to me. I used to wonder why don't they show anything about China, Japan, or India...why focus on only those civilizations?
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Posted: 19 years ago
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This is fascinationg. Do you have name of this documentary or something I can order from public library? I would really like to know more about it. I have not heard about RajuRaja before.
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Hey sowmtaa...you know I had a feeling that you would reply to this. 😊 I was hoping I can learn more about this too...
The title is "What the Ancient Knew- India?" It was showed on Discovery Science at the beginning of this month. It's a series, like they made a documentary on what the Ancient knew- Japan? What the Ancient knew; China?
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Very interesting info, Dazzling Flower. I enjoy history too - especially if its about ancient civilizations.

Even I attempted to Google for Raju Raja, but could not find anything on him. Though I'm sure there must be something in a good library on this.

But, going back to the topic at hand, research always leads to new discovery. I'm open to learning something more about our culture even if it contradicts what we have been originally taught. Then I will make an assessment as to whether or not it makes sense to me compared to the older theories.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: T.

Very interesting info, Dazzling Flower. I enjoy history too - especially if its about ancient civilizations.

Even I attempted to Google for Raju Raja, but could not find anything on him. Though I'm sure there must be something in a good library on this.

But, going back to the topic at hand, research always leads to new discovery. I'm open to learning something more about our culture even if it contradicts what we have been originally taught. Then I will make an assessment as to whether or not it makes sense to me compared to the older theories.

Thanks 😛. I can't tell you how much I enjoy reading and learning about history. Before watching history of Raju Raja, I was not aware of his existence. I can't find anything on him though

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Wow this was a fascinating read for me too. I too have interest in history. What surprises me i too don't recall every reading about Raju Raja in my history books in India.

I'll try and research this topic too when i have the time. But thx for sharing this info.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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im sick of world history 😆

after a two year course, an AP exam, a SAT II subject exam and a state exam coming up..ive had more than enough of world history 😆 ...but i found everything soo fascinating

we studied harrapan civilization as part of the early civilizations near river vallys, we studied the aryan invasion/caste syste then we studies classical india which was basically the maurya and gupta empires and after that there is a big jump and we go to the mughal empire and afterwards it is imperialism which led to nationalism which led to independence....so thats what we learn about india in an american course designed on world history....rajuraja is nowhere to be mentioned...it is also interesting how many important people/events get left out of history books and there are those handful that constantly repeated...history is censored and we are fed only what they want us to know...it is disturbing that we do not get the full history and yea as u can probably tell..im also into history 😳
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I think they got the name a little wrong ( not surprising - the discovery people keep making a mess of the names all the time) - I think they meant Raj- Raja Chole, from the Chole dynasty, who established the Chole empire sometime in the 900 AD over almost half of India and south Asia, ruling over Srilanka and all the adjoining islands,as far as indineasia, and also built the famous Brihadeshwar temple.

Am I right?

Interestingly, the Indian history before the mughals is actually very very interesting. I find ot funny how they keep talking of the roman and the egyptian empires, and yet have never shown that India actually had the first university in the world in 800 BC, when few people went to school.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: Minnie

I think they got the name a little wrong ( not surprising - the discovery people keep making a mess of the names all the time) - I think they meant Raj- Raja Chole, from the Chole dynasty, who established the Chole empire sometime in the 900 AD over almost half of India and south Asia, ruling over Srilanka and all the adjoining islands,as far as indineasia, and also built the famous Brihadeshwar temple.

Am I right?

Interestingly, the Indian history before the mughals is actually very very interesting. I find ot funny how they keep talking of the roman and the egyptian empires, and yet have never shown that India actually had the first university in the world in 800 BC, when few people went to school.

its RAJARAJA CHOLA...not chole😆....yes, not much is spoken about the cheras, cholas and pandiyas who were contemporaries of the gupta dynasty..the cholas had a very powerful naval army, captured many patrs of soutn and south east asia and were very strong

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