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Posted: 13 years ago
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Munira.. you finally found time.. .will get back to you soon.. have loads going on now..

Paaji.. pata nahi kyon.. just like kaka.. mera dil hain ki manta nahin.. this cant be the end of our one fave character like VV.. his balance is his USP.. he cant meet such a miserable end.. I really think there is more to him.. esp when D was explaining to Kaka.. he was surprised.. like he was seeing it in a diff way already.. after kaka dose..šŸ˜‰

in the end when he hugs kaka.. and PK is crying.. he has this assuring peace on his face.. tht he will correct everything.. how can he find tht kinda peace in seeing PK upset if he really doesnt know whats the best for everyone already.. he may just tell S that we both love each other but I love my family too and their happiness lies with D.. and she is the best for me.. and i cant see her sad...

IDK why.. I still cant give up on the hope yet.. for VV.. itna khudgarz nahi ho sakta.. esp after hearing his kaka scold him.. may be for the first time.. there was this peace and maturity in his voice in the end.. I just hope it was our old smart... intelligent.. mature VV emanating.. amen.. tu apni positivity pakad ke rakh.. dont let it go yet.. its NOT OVER.. D is and will stay at v.villa.. upar se jab tak IMV hain apun ko koi tension nahišŸ˜‰
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I am not an idealist, but also don't agree dat U hv to be sly, conniving, ruthless, without conscience to hv ur way nd 2 acheive ur ends by any means, however correct nd noble dat end maybe. In business, still all this can be overlooked,( but by no means should be overlooked), as it's a cut-throat world out there, but in relationships, no ways.
But thats his character .šŸ˜†šŸ˜† And if he is not like that , show will flop .

Take away IMV and MB flops . Who is interested in seeing a fair , sudhra hua IMV ?šŸ˜†

Take away Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights and WH ceases to be a book .

I disagree with u that in business this can be overlooked but in relationships it cannot .

Infact Muneera I wud put it the other way round . In business one can afford to lose a deal or two , somewhere it can be picked up again and life will go on , money will flow in with another project .

But in personal relationships if matter gets out of hand , LIFE gets destroyed .

Thats the reason many Indian parents r very strict about the choices their children make . Why they insist on good Khandaan , good sanskaars , Good qualities .Left to the youth , jawani ka josh of the children , they will straightaway go for looks as the criteria .šŸ˜† They will read angel like qualities in the most mundane of actions of their loved ones . Just like Vaibhav did . Sabina ne yeh sikhaya and Sabina ne woh sikhaya . I was like ...bloody hell , Sabina was there for only one measly month in which she took a strong stand that HER bastiwallahs get the best deal . And she got it . In that one month kya kya sikhayegi ?šŸ˜†šŸ˜† What Vaibhav claims he learnt from Sabina , was there all around him even before Sabina steped in his life . His beautiful mom was doing one noble social work after another just like Sabina ...his grandparents were down to earth people who ate gathiyas and roadside food with relish ...just like Sabina sucked sweets and golas . Grandpa showed love to Grandma by tying gajras etc . Zindagi jeena was all around Vaibhav . He was not seeing it . Like sonali very rightly said , he saw it when someone talked about it flippantly to him in a seductive red sari .šŸ˜†

So much he has given credit to Sabina , has he ONCE , till PK fired him , given credit to Devki for the innumerable things she did for him ? He was blind as a bat to them . Itna khudgarz , itna ehsaanfaramosh he was . Utha li Bag aur chal pada SAbina ke peeche . Na Devki ki parva ki na Maa Baap ki . Big Lover Boy .Huh .

IMV can afford to lose a business deal what he cannot aford is his son throwing away his life and legacy for sumone thoroughly unsuitable for his legacy and life . Sabina was challenging him to take Vaibhav away and give him some crores to start a new business ...IMV was gonna take that from a film actress who walked in his son's life just a month back ? He had build this all to pass it on to his sons and here was this actress , threatening indirectly to topple it ALL by taking that very son away .

To top it ,,,,,,,,,the culture in which she had been raised . That conservative Gujju family wud be ok with that kind of bahu ? I am not talking od stupid Sid , Baa and Master here ...I am talking in general . Which traditional gujju family , this rich , wud be ok accepting an elder , linked up , different religion actress whose mom posed for po*n photos ?

I can fully understand why he came down hard and cut this at the root ...Son had bluntly told him he wud not listen . So he went to the other source ...Sabina ...and MADE her listen . His POV was simple ...he did not want to lose HIS son , nor did he want this alliance to take place . So he found a way in which both objectives were met ...son remained with him , and the actress only walked out .

Perhaps it was wrong . But he is Vaibhavs father . He was not gonna stand by and let him make a foolish choice . He was not gonna stand and see Vaibhav becoming a neurotic mess around Sabina like a jealous gigolo while she provided him crores for business by continuing to act in films . Vaibhav wud have taken that money and HATED it at the same time ...he wud never have been able to bear that film atmosphere and men touching Sabina on screen or off screen . Very honestly speaking , Sabina wud have emasculated Vaibhav unintentionally and he wud have been miserable .

I have seen many Indian parents do what IMV did ...when sons did not listen , they have approached the unsuitable girl and told her to get out . Now he went a step further and ENSURED she wud get out as he is a man in that position .

Neither was he interested in pursuing the revenge on Sabina nor did he have personal hatred for her . He simply wanted her out of his son's life , bas . the blackmail was only till THAT point . Once she moved out , he was least interested in messing up her life or teaching her lessons .

I am not justifying him ,I merely read him as serial goes on . His primary purpose in selecting D u say was revenge but I differ there too . It was way more complex and interwined , that purpose . All I wud say is if IMV is a beast as some say šŸ˜†šŸ˜† it must be remembered , even the beasts don't hurt their young , they pick it up with their sharp teeth and place them in a secure spot . Even in that revenge , IMV did NOT hurt Vaibhav . He got the best deal for him . He told Charu ...I wud never sell Nirali for business profit , I will see she gets the best . He was truthful there . He will never do nuksaan of his babies .

Indulging every whim of his babies , even if they don't promise a good future for them , is NOT his way of loving them . His way is looking out for them , not going along with them .

U asked why he jeopardised Devki's Swing Air deal when he picked her up for her business flair . Simple . He wanted Devki by HIS side , profiting HIS family by becoming one with HIS family . Had Devki won the Swing Air Deal for Vaibhav Group , he wud NEVER have jeopardised her attempt . She did it for Chandraprabha Enterprises , egged on by that trouble maker Baa , who instead of telling her that working AGAINST ur husband right at the outset of ur marraige won't work in the long run , however idealistic it sounds ...merge the two companies and work side by side with him ...bring real happiness in the house ...to urself and to this house both ...egged her on to stand AGAINST IMV simply coz she personally wanted to crush her son's ego .

Son was egoistic but son was not harming Devki , he wanted Devki to run his company for him by giving her considerable power . Son even wanted Devki and Vaibhav to have happy marital life . He had no problems with that .

IMV is very complex and his means offend many but I find his choices very sensible . I agree with his rejection of Sabina as unsuitable for the life at Vaibhav Villa and I agree with his insistence that Devki work for Vaibhav Group as a bahu instead of AGAINST it .










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Posted: 13 years ago
#33
Kaka was superb today
good dialogues
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Kools I agree wid u dat IMV did d right thing by making D his bahu, but for d wrong reasons. Yeah 4 a complex man like IMV, revenge was not d only motive 4 making D his bahu, she had all the characteristics to be a bahu of such a big business house nd I'm sure if she wouldn't hv been suitable he would hv got other ways to get his revenge. But revenge was a driving force in his decision.
Also I don't know if I've ever mentioned in any posts or not, but I too m quite disdainful of V's kinda love nd him crediting S for everything, whn he has Charu for a mother, who could easily teach S a thing or two abt compassion.
I didn't say dat wat IMV did wid S was wrong, as I too feel he was totally justified in his actions. In S's case he didn't plant anything, d ammunations were provided by S herself nd only a fool will let go of such opportunity against a very real threat nd IMV mabe many things but surely not a fool.šŸ˜‰
No much b4 the Swing air deal, whn D was on a look out for a financer nd had found one, IMV jeopradised her chance, whn he asked d financer not to invest in D's company else dat would b d end of business wid V ind.s
Infact Muneera I wud put it the other way round . In business one can afford to lose a deal or two , somewhere it can be picked up again and life will go on , money will flow in with another project .

But in personal relationships if matter gets out of hand , LIFE gets destroyed
Exactly...dat's my take too...in relstionships emotions come into play...so relationships cannot be toyed wid. If tomorrow D comes to all abt IMV, like he being responsible for her BB getting a heart attack etc. den she wuld feel extremely betrayed nd her innocence wuld be shattered as she thinks highly of IMV...as a businessman, as a guru, as a FIL nd most importsantly as a human. So that would lead to matters getting out of hand nd life getting destroyed.
At d end of it all...I totally agree dat if IMV wouldn't hv been potrayed d way he is...der would be no story to tell nd MB wouldn't be MB.šŸ˜‰
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Posted: 13 years ago
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kools aisi shandaar posts mat likha karo, saara appreciation tumhe hi milega phiršŸ˜†

agreed with u on each point, no normal family would want someone like sabina as the bahu
vv has got everything he has inheritd it not achieved anything
he does not understand whats at stake
his father toiled hard to make this empire, and he cant let anyone mess with it
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: intruderfast

kools aisi shandaar posts mat likha karo, saara appreciation tumhe hi milega phiršŸ˜†

agreed with u on each point, no normal family would want someone like sabina as the bahu
vv has got everything he has inheritd it not achieved anything
he does not understand whats at stake
his father toiled hard to make this empire, and he cant let anyone mess with it


Exactly . No one wud . Just stand in IMV's place and see it all . He is not wrong at all . His metods r questionable but his choices or concerns r VERY REAL .


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000


Exactly . No one wud . Just stand in IMV's place and see it all . He is not wrong at all . His metods r questionable but his choices or concerns r VERY REAL .


vv has clear double standards , when that sid painting drama came up
he told d, kii sid choice was wrong ,was not at all practical a son should follow in his father footsteps
and something like jab do peedi kaam karti hain toh viraast banti hain
where is that vv now,he expects diff treatment for himself,
his father has pinned lot of hopes on vv ,ghar industries sab vv ke naam se hain
this chora does not realises it
this ishq kaa keeda destroys mind , vv ko dekhke mujhe lagta hain it is better if someone does not fall in love
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Posted: 13 years ago
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this ishq kaa keeda destroys mind , vv ko dekhke mujhe lagta hain it is better if someone does not fall in love

Woh kehte hai na ...Ishq ne hume nikamma bana diya varna hum bhi the aadmi kaam ke

Its very true of Vaibhav .See how he was and how he has become .

Aisa Ishq kya kaam ka jo tume is had tak gira sake ?

IMV ne bhi ishq kiya lekin usne Business empire build kiya .
Vaibav ne Ishq kiya aur bevda hone chala sab kuch chod chad kar Singapore jaane chala

I remember my mom a lot , woh hamesha bolti thi ...Ishq Vishq is only a tiny part of life , asal zindagi ka maayna isse bahut zyada gehra hota hai .


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