Gone With The Wind?!

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Much much better than the last two days - very sad, but far easier to connect with, thank god!

I'm not sure if this is me, or a general opinion - but I prefer PooBaa knocking sense into Gulaal any day over Vasant. If its prejudice, then prejudice it is - the ME aired in between was about the only thing I made a face at.

But I'll move to the other things for now. Nur and I were talking earlier in the day when I said that although the recent series of FBs had been annoying and disappointing in general for how much from the past could have been used and wasn't - but I thought (in retrospection of course) that there was a trend about them.

For Gulaal, they are also sort of taking her flight of fantasy only to the period of having lived like a wife with Kesar - with strings attached of course - but that... she's always thinking of memories where either Kesar has been 'the hubby' or her 'the wife'... so maybe that's consciously done?! I think they're limiting it to the time Gulaal finally, with whatever resignation, sort of let Kesar step into her inner most circle, and the life they spent as a 'couple' (minus paap and chiii lol) then... because that is the phase recalling which Gulaal's realization should touch its peak, of how easy it really was letting him in, once she let go of her resistance, and how right it had seemed, despite whatever notions she had previously held... and how for that brief phase - even without her 'reciprocating love' in a sense, and at her darkest phase in general, she had managed to feel so light hearted, and found semblance of deep peace!

And on that note - Kesar's FB yesterday, while playing the tuntuna was of the scene where she asks him to teach her... insinuating a memory of a rare instance where Gulaal is actually going out of the way to please showing extraordinary willingness to accept him, even in a leading role...

Its almost like their FB's are not supposed to indicate the good and/or bad memories, but a trend of their wishful thoughts... of those respective elements in their bond that have remained mostly unfulfilled...

So anyway - watching today's episode sort of confirmed the idea to me. PooBaa's most important words IMO were - sach to ye hai, ke Kesar ne tere dil mein pati ki jagah bana li hai - it sort of when on to explain why her FBs were limited only to the recent month or so. That's been 'her phase' of slow but steady acceptance. And the only phase, where she was literally beginning to breath into her role of a wife again - with applying conditions as I said.

Again - Kesar's FB's when he was shown in the courtyard so shattered by Gulaal not coming to see him, and later at 'their home' - he was thinking of the few times she'd actually given him the position - fixing his kitchen, patting him out of his choking... he's been so deprived of her explicit attention - that its always been a void. He told her once before, that he was bothered by how her duniya no longer revolved around him - and even today when she tells him in the later dialog, kya mujhe tuje bhula sakti hu! - he says he knows it, but still... just like his telling MB - doosre ko pyaar sweekar nahi hai, sweekar being the key word - he understands consciously or subconsciously that he means as much to her... that his place in her life, like he used to believe in his innocence a decade ago - has indeed always been one class apart and unique - but just that understanding with almost a drought of emotional/verbal whatever confirmation from her has taken its toll on him - so his fantasies are all about having that place in her life - where he matters most, and first...

I have to add I'm glad when they were making him write a letter, they linked it back to all the others he had written. His line - tujhse apni baat main chitthyon mein hi keh pata hu - is a hit on more than one level. A) his confession of how she has been his confidante, when she knew it, and when she didn't. B) she knows what he means by the letters, and its about as much justice as we can get at this point to something as important as those letters were to the track at one time... it gave that end a formal closure. The fact that he goes to meet her next morning, gives her the tuntuna, but not the letter he gave MB is also, a following of his trend... he's never really 'delivered' his letters right, has he?! they've always reached her too late, through others...

I like how the CVs linked up a subtle detail like Mansi doing short buttons to spend her time...its almost like she would chose to do that duty ... reminds you instantly of all the times you've seen her do it for Kesar - and no one else, right?! This is where the Gulaal CVs have always had an edge, I'm glad to find it back in execution today - the subtle signs...

Most most most impressed by Neil's voice modulation through out the episode. so much strain to his voice - it wasn't husky, it was strained as if through held back tears, very affected by the barely held back avalanche of emotions.

Special shout out to his candid broken - woh nahi aayi MB... wo jaanti hai main jaa raha hu... fir bhi... - oh my heart went out to him </3 Both actors, fantabulous! And of course the final GK scene - a lot easier to connect with Mansi today, thank heavens... but I have to admit Kesar touched the chords far more. Maybe because he never had that lapse... maybe, because today was really his episode. I'm extra happy that we got to see 'their house' of a month through Gulaal's eyes, as much as Kesar's... I'm also glad that even in his deepest throes, Kesar made far less a picture of charity case today - hallelujah to that! Perhaps it had something to do with the fact that Kesar knew where she would be - and that someplace (oh thank god for the small mercies) was something EXCLUSIVE to GK... for good or bad, that was their place... [maybe I just got skeptical over the last two days, but I actually apprehended she'd gone to visit Vasant's tomb stone or some nishani like that... I'd have been very very disappointed... but when they showed the house, I was like, oh of course, lol, silly me!]

PooBaa telling Kesar Gulaal is tired and she will make them talk later - Kesar pulling of the phone, knowing that later was good as never... oh his expression </3 </3

Gullu rushing out at the sound of the mobike!!! Abe yaar ye bandi na!!! Needs to go see a specialist! Kal aya tha, perfect situation and location for isolated GK, but she had to hide, now she runs at the sound - lol! Oh btw, Gulaal telling PooBaa - nahi mil paayi main - was such an echo of Kesar telling PooBaa - main nahin ru paunga Baa, jitna rukunga, uta jana mushkil ho jaayega... sigh! Full circle there for me, both being classic themselves...

Highlight of the episode? - I think the kaunsi dor song selection?! What an excellent and meaningful segment of that tune to be selected for today - and for Gulaal, all the more than Kesar...

And Aakhri mulaqat?! Gulaal's shocked raised eye to that was foreboding enough... if I didn't know the ending already - if so much Indian fiction wasn't always getting happy ends... if this was real life... I'd be scared if I was Gulaal... And kuch bhi to humesha nahin hota - Kesar :((((( [ on a side note, reminded me of the show ending after one final episode... humesha is such a myth of a word!] ofc, I also saw the humesha phrase in more sense... GV had gotten together to be like that humehsa. Gulaal had taken up her widowhood to be like that humesha. Talli had woven her dreams to be with Kesu humesha. Kesar had thought Gulaal would be humesha - good or bad... so much to those words... coming at this point...

finally the accident - was I the only one who shifted in the seat watching the scene?! I almost couldn't see it, even though it was just a scene on a show... Oh Sunday !!!

btw - still disappointed with ME. I'm glad they showed us what we already know is happening, so it didn't prove too much a spoiler... but watching it just made me think for the nth time... why Vasant for the realization! I know many people think she needs this closure... I just think she got it ages ago... but anyway... if the ME proves to be even something effectively like today - albeit happier at least half way through - I'll let this show go with more peace than I'd thought over the last two days.

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jump right in people - second to last thread post, this.

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JZee

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ps: ignore formatting/grammar/typos... this was really long for a phone, I could hardly scroll and fix!

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AreYaar thumbnail
Posted: 14 years ago
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And we're baaack!

Just had to get that out! 😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I loved the episode today... midst all the tears and anguish that Kesar evoked in me... I felt for him so much... this guy deserves sooo much happiness in the world.. even for Gulaal, its slightly more difficult to understand where she is coming from, but you can feel her pain through the farewell scene.. so, well enacted by both.

He has been such a perfect husband, friend, guide at times even, and after all this... one would want to just give him anything to see him smile...

ohhh... and Gulaal, its difficult for her still to let it all go ... and give in to her emotions for him so easily... but, one can just watch them both and wish that things were happier for the two... and then it would all be PERFECT !!!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Phew ok, getting that out of the way...I frankly LOVED today's epi...especially compared to the crapfests that the last two were, I just felt so CONNECTED throughout the epi that I was almost crying tears of joy...THIS is how a Gulaal epi is supposed to feel while watching it...dunno what the last two days were about :S

Maybe it also helps that all my expectations were practically finished and then we got THIS...Kesar writing her a letter...and the bit where he said, "main shaayad tujhse sirf chitthiyon ke zareeye baat kar paata hoon", my heart just broke a little...so glad they made a reference to the letters there atleast.

Oh before that, Poonambaa's scene with Gulaal was very good too...so basically Gulaal went back into Ostrich mode big time in this epi...but this Gulaal I still understood...today her emotions were in place, I could connect...from her refusal to see the facts right in front of her eyes as Poonambaa laid them out to her helplessness in missing Kesar, yearning for him...

The saans albeli sequence was very good...another moment that broke my heart was when Kesar picked up the thaali in the house *sigh*...today there were many beautiful nuances in the epi.

But really seriously my heart totally broke in the last goodbye scene...it was SO heartbreaking but beautiful at the same time..."Tu nahin aayi?"...*sigh*...and the way they shot the bit when Gulaal's fingers are inching towards his hand, hesitantly about to lay her hand on top of his when he wrenches his away and walks off *sigh*...Poor Kesar :((

All said and done, today the GK CONNECT was BACK! Most especially in the saans albeli sequence even as Gulaal hides from him and then in the last scene...ahh the JOY on her face when she hears the sound of the bike and runs out...someone should have held a mirror up for her there.

Finally, the precap...the Vasant dream sequence...I'm ok with it by this point...today's epi salvaged a lot...yeah the FBs could have been better in some ways but overall I can still take this.

Now let's see what all the ME brings us.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Great post, Jzee. I felt like crying watching that farewell between Kesar and Gulaal. Btw - My Quoting attempts are going whack. Sorry about the lack of quote box.

And Aakhri mulaqat?! Gulaal's shocked raised eye to that was foreboding enough... if I didn't know the ending already - if so much Indian fiction wasn't always getting happy ends... if this was real life... I'd be scared if I was Gulaal... And kuch bhi to humesha nahin hota - Kesar :((((( [ on a side note, reminded me of the show ending after one final episode... humesha is such a myth of a word!] ofc, I also saw the humesha phrase in more sense... GV had gotten together to be like that humehsa. Gulaal had taken up her widowhood to be like that humesha. Talli had woven her dreams to be with Kesu humesha. Kesar had thought Gulaal would be humesha - good or bad... so much to those words... coming at this point...

finally the accident - was I the only one who shifted in the seat watching the scene?! I almost couldn't see it, even though it was just a scene on a show... Oh Sunday !!!

btw - still disappointed with ME. I'm glad they showed us what we already know is happening, so it didn't prove too much a spoiler... but watching it just made me think for the nth time... why Vasant for the realization! I know many people think she needs this closure... I just think she got it ages ago... but anyway... if the ME proves to be even something effectively like today - albeit happier at least half way through - I'll let this show go with more peace than I'd thought over the last two days.

@blue, see that right there is my problem. Really what if there were no accident? What if the higher Deity didn't feel the need to interfere? I have so much to say about this but don't even know how to say it. She is willing to keep burying her head in the sand, the self sacrificing person who is not even sacrificing for any actual reason anymore. Who's benefiting from this? No one.

Vasant, I always figured he would come back at the end. Just, not this way way of Gulaal deciding to be with Kesar after Vasant spells it out for her. I do get that it's somewhat in her characterization that she would only do so after Vasant "gives his blessing" but I wouldn't have gone about it with the words he said. I would have just had him say some more subdued dialogues. Instead of Vasant making her realize her love for Kesar, and that she can be with Kesar now (as the articles are saying), it should be him telling her to let him go and live her life that it's okay to let him go. And it shouldn't be right before she decides to run to Kesar and tell him she wants to live with him as his wife. It should be during her period of reflection and pondering. As in you know after Monday's episode when we should have seen her go through all these conflicted feelings of "being proud of living as Vasant's widow" and the truth about her relationship with Kesar that she can no longer pretend to ignore or be ignorant of.

All that being said within the context of how the storyline is going, today's episode was good. I felt like crying. I was emotionally connected to both of them.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Oh the humesha bit *sigh* Sach mein...kuch bhi toh humesha nahin rehta...I need to rewatch the last scene again! Fantastic dialogues they had today!

Both NB and MP were fab in the last scene but NB was seriously stupendous...you feel so CONNECTED to Kesar's heartbreak, his pain...and honestly after EVERYTHING, there is this beautiful sweet innocence to his devotion towards Gulaal that NB brings out so well!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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WORD to everything you said!👍🏼

@PooBaa...it's very much in character for her to say all those things..she has been one of the first people to always remind Gulaal of how Kesar is her husband...that's why it's easier to accept PooBaa mentioning this again now..easier to digest than having Vasanth to say 'Kesar is her future'..

The flashback's make a lot more sense..the way you have explained it... For Gulaal, her husband has always been top most priority...the best example being how for 10yrs she literally lived to fulfill the dreams of Vasant...so right now her having these FB's of the times GK spent as a 'couple' on their own...sort of shows her making a place for Kesar as THE husband...PooBaa's words were bang on..

@Letter scene...perfect!...and as you say very true how he never really gives it to her...I'm guessing she will read it in tomorrow's epi when he's probably unconscious..

The entire sequence in the house...with Gulaal watching Kesar was heartbreaking...she did realize just how much pain he was in... and that's why couldn't stay any longer...also loved how Kesar just ends up spending the night there...

The farewell scene was awesome...Neil was fantastic!...and the scene almost moved one to tears...loved how when he held that tuntuna thing..his hand was literally shaking...and the conversation...simple and meaningful!

I think I just might forgive and forget about the last two episode debacles..




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Posted: 14 years ago
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Nur - her ostrich mode today was another deal, on another level. This wasn't the Gulaal 'not seeing the truth', and living with her own warped convictions. This was a Gulaal as aware as she would ever become of HOW big a deal this was, what the loss was like... she couldn't bear to be shown the mirror because this time she KNEW! When she told PooBaa she can't listen to her - it wasn't to run away from the truth, it was to not add to the impossibility of her self imposed ordeal of dealing with KNOWING the truth, but putting it aside... and that's why when PooBaa later tells her how khushiyaan are at her door and she's packing them off - it shifts so very much... she knows it. She needs a final push... I'll deal with the accident, I'm not happy with Vasant. I can't bring myself to be. I'm just going to ignore him in the ME like PB... even though he's going to be a twist 10X more vital. But that's my problem I reckon. And yes, Loved is definitely the word today :D The connect was all back - in ever actor - helped that we didn't get to deal with any crappy actors (okay, I've aced in tuning out Kulli scenes now, they don't reach me :D )

Minks - Yes, sigh. So much perfection, is such pain! Can you believe we're celebrating so much tragedy in the second to last episode?! But that's how 'perfect' as you say it was!

Arshi - Exactly what I mean! If I just become Gulaal for a second... not knowing the next moment after Kesar walks out of that door - that aakhri mulaqat would be so scary to me! Remember how she freaked last week at that threat letter?! Could she really let him go today? I know we need it for the accident sequence... and then Vasant... but honestly, if I was just Gulaal - after that huge foreboding, could I need any more impetus?! Would I be so broken, yet to static? I think I'd be frenzy crazy and just stop him! Maybe come up with thousand excuses but the real one, but stop him! I dunno, maybe I wont... but that moment would be so so scary... I'd try to imagine the combined impact of not just living a life without Kesar - but never knowing of his existence again! It would effing freak me out beyond any logic/hold back/consolation... I think! And I would not need Vasant, or an accident... but as Srush said on her other thread - the CVs probably need a high point to 'suitably' wrap up the show... and if she gave in just now... the high point wont come?! A tiny part of me wishes it came another way... but I'm okay with it. I'm a little less okay with Vasant - but I'll survive that too. As long as GK in the ME are the powerhouse they were today... I had better find real tears in my eyes - sad, and happy! :D
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Nur - everything was back in form today. They remembered to connect old things to now - the letters, the tuntuna, the FBs... the dialogs were EXCELLENT... and the execution! Yes MP was back! If she hadn't been, it would have been like yesterday, where Neil was doing his part - I mean, he was fantastic evern yesterday - but this just goes on to prove why this show has been as powerful as it has been, it has two extremely talented leads who compete and compare so perfectly! The opening scene with PooBaa - Mansi had the haunting look back, and HOW! When she apologized to Kesar in the final scene, you could tell, that she could tell, that a sorry could never accomplish what she wanted - rid him of his pain... that obviously Kesar would never take it from her, not because he can't but because its true, in his head, she has only ever been all of his happiness! Reminds of when he told her - tu chahe mujhe jitna bhi maarle, main tuje nahin maar sakta... The maar doesn't have to be physical! He just cannot reciprocate the pain in kind. Because if getting pain 'at her hands' is so painful, giving it back will be many times more. He knows it - from his crazy angry man phase of Kesar back! Oh today was brilliant! I'm going to ignore the two days in between like those occasional kinks - say the new PB, lol!

Maz - Dude! Totally! I can imagine her reading that letter tomorrow - I really hope she does... maybe she will just find her way to his room and hunt out the others, and sit in the sea of them like he once did - but that's perhaps expecting too much?! Anyway, the one for now would do!

Arshi - Srushti posted that clip from the movie Tere Bin, of how Piya's dead husband comes back to release her, and yes, I would have liked something like that FAR more - if I had to deal with Vasant ka bhoot in the end... but I suppose what we have, we have for now... maybe the entire scene will be better? Kesar deciding to go to city was a dubious precap, but did well for itself as a scene, in justifying his reason, and his character...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: JZephyr

She needs a final push... I'll deal with the accident, I'm not happy with Vasant. I can't bring myself to be. I'm just going to ignore him in the ME like PB... even though he's going to be a twist 10X more vital. But that's my problem I reckon. And yes, Loved is definitely the word today :D The connect was all back - in ever actor - helped that we didn't get to deal with any crappy actors (okay, I've aced in tuning out Kulli scenes now, they don't reach me :D )





Jzee, come on now...Vasant isn't as bad as PB, is he?😆...We can't put him in that bracket :P

Yeah, this is not how I would want it either...but honestly I can deal with cuz the push seems like it will be twofold...since they are going with the dramatic high point on this anyways, I've more or less resigned myself to it and just hoping that the TREATMENT is good...like today the treatment was fab as it usually is with Gulaal.

From what I can make out from the precap...Gulaal will basically remind her that she killed herself inside and forgot to live, forgot to smile...which I guess is something that I can deffo picture Vasant's ghost saying to her...that why did she do this to herself?...Baaki I guess we have to wait to see HOW/IF he makes her realize about Kesar.

haha I toh totally forwarded the Talli crap in today's epi🤣...we're all aces in tuning her out now :P

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