Gulaal - not making any sense

Originally posted by: chweetu

Apt analysis...😊

I would like to comment about the scene where Motaba asks her where she would go after three months.

GK can't give false promises that they will tryto stay together. After all the panchayat drama, there is no point of giving MotaBa or anyone hope that they will give their relationship a chance. Gulaal has made her decision loud and clear that she cannot accept Kesar as her husband. MotaBa hasn't been keeping well for a while so if they can make him feel better by doing SOMETHING atleast then why not? I think the reason why Gulaal hasn't been eating properly because of Sudha's behaviour towards her. She has to make sure Sudha and her don't cross paths in the kitchen so I guess she loses her appetite in the process.

Originally posted by: MeySimi

I would like to comment about the scene where Motaba asks her where she would go after three months.

Previously when the Kesar Talli wedding was fixed, there was no decision to officially cancel the Deeyarvatu. So I guess Gulaal would have stayed on as Kesar's first wife. Now in a society that allows such deeyarvatu, a man having two wives is permissible.

But after Kesar declared his love, Gulaal, stubborn that she is and always known to having her own way, decides to call of their marriage. Once cancelled, she is no more officially Kesar's wife in front of the society, so obviously she will have to leave the house.

Just my opinion!!

Regarding the music concert, it was not for washing away all the remnants of his worries and tension, it was just a mewans of bringing a relaxation from the tense environment. Kesar can't promise from his end that they would reconsider because he knows Gulaal is stubborn and wants to end this relationship, so there would be no point in Kesar reassuring Motaba. As for Gulaal, that is another different story.

Originally posted by: *Reemz*

GK can't give false promises that they will tryto stay together. After all the panchayat drama, there is no point of giving MotaBa or anyone hope that they will give their relationship a chance. Gulaal has made her decision loud and clear that she cannot accept Kesar as her husband. MotaBa hasn't been keeping well for a while so if they can make him feel better by doing SOMETHING atleast then why not? I think the reason why Gulaal hasn't been eating properly because of Sudha's behaviour towards her. She has to make sure Sudha and her don't cross paths in the kitchen so I guess she loses her appetite in the process.

Originally posted by: JZephyr

I personally think Kesar's plan of bringing Lalji Bha was not on acount of suckin up to MB, or just steering the temper from its point. From the time of his return, Kesar has constantly played the whimsical child-adult who has only gone on, day after day, to dash everyone's hopes of him becoming anything worthy of Vasant's place in the family. He has had too much of his own inside battle to settle before he can actually look at the big picture and start taking reign of his responsibilities. Bringing Lalji Bha to this house was like the start of returning the soul of this house to it's lifeless carcass atm. Everyone in the house is 'existing' together - almost a little more harmoniously than they did in happy times despite the inside grudges and demons - but fact is, every one in that house is just going on with their lives day after day and it's been on for a decade.

But this not what Kesar had been thinking, he is only worried about MotaBha "gussa". And what was the reason behind MotaBha gussa? he is not addressing that. Please listen to the dialogs between Gulaal and Kesar about going to MotaBha, and then Gulaal Kesar and MotaBna. Then MotaBha and Gulaal after the singer leaves.

Somewhere, there last ray of hope had been Kesar. And now, after failing that hope and image for all this time, Kesar has finally snapped out of the self imposed shackles of misunderstanding and holding grudges in the face of resolving matters. I'm not going to say he's any closer to forgiving Dushyant, or loving Talli, or not loving Gulaal - he's only decided to move beyond 'his personal undertakings' and set off to fix all that everyone could have expected him to come back and fix. He's bringing back, finally, what has been amiss in the house for a decade.

All in 2 days of his therapy by Talli. Quick transformation. Again you are assuming that what he would be doing next. Whereas Talli explains to him that he cannot force Gulaal

to love him, but if he lets her go and if she loves him she will come back. She also assures Kesar that within 3 months she will start loving him. So as per the dialogs, Kesar is now applying a different approach to win Gulaal back.

As far as the hope Kesar gave to the family, in the past he has almost shouted back at MotaBha that he is not Vasant and cannot be and does not want to be.

As for Gulaal and him 'ignoring' the question of deeyarvattu - I don't think they are; neither does MB. MB was miffed at them, utterly, because of all the reasons he mentioned to them - the return of music in the house has mellowed his temper - it has not changed his concern of line of argument. When he sets off to tell Gulaal of her importance in the house, it's actually his very wise way of giving her a sounding board. When Kesar addresses MB's concern for Gulaal in the father son talk, he is assuring his father that his decision to call off the deeyarvattu is not impulsive - like his billion preceding decisions, and that this time, he actually has a plan to 'fix problems' not just be swayed by them. He cannot promise end success - because who can? - but he promises that this is the end of his tomfoolery and that here on, he will do everything that he should have, to begin with. Which is why, MB says, that sometimes he talks like he's really grown up. That MB has a hard time believing Kesar has had some overnight doze of enlightening is not his fault - but by and by, steadily now, Kesar will be making all his points!

Kesar amazes MotaBha by saying that we should look after Gulaal for what she has done for the family and we should pay her back Did he not know this before? His behavior towards her? we might assume here that he was away to the boarding school, but who told him now to realise this. He still has not brought up his brother's murder especially when Gulaal knew all this time. He is still blinded/panicked by the fear of losing Gulaal.

So personally - I have to disagree about the CVs losing train of their thoughts or merely playing at suspense.

Agreed. I respect your take on this, its difficult for some to digest the way they twist and turn it on a dime without any rationale. I will not be surprised if now that doll Champa starts to speak to Gulaal and tells her how to respond to Kesar's moves. The way Talli did to Kesar, You may buy it, I am not.. 😃

Originally posted by: SlingShooter

But this not what Kesar had been thinking, he is only worried about MotaBha "gussa". And what was the reason behind MotaBha gussa? he is not addressing that. Please listen to the dialogs between Gulaal and Kesar about going to MotaBha, and then Gulaal Kesar and MotaBna. Then MotaBha and Gulaal after the singer leaves.

He is addressing MB's gussa, and reasons. With his revive music for MB, he has definitely mitigated the temper and mellowed the old man, who until a day ago told both Gulaal and him that he didn't want to talk. MB had his reasons to be angry, but Kesar's peace making move has brought him to the point where he has actually resorted to 'speak' to Gulaal - instead of just telling her how wrong she is, and that he doesn't want to talk about it ... it has helped him cool down and look beyond how much he is wronged as an elder to not be made privy to such vital undertakings in the house.

In concern with Kesar addressing the 'real matter' he tells MB, nothing can be done by just thinking of what lays ahead - which truly is MB's entire worry. He told them, in his temper, and otherwise, that hasty decisions reap regrets which cannot be redeemed - and when Kesar says there is nothing in looking to what will happen, but doing things correctly now, in the present, he is addressing the matter precisely. He has taken this issue with MB one step at a time - first by cooling him down, and then, by finding his right moment to tell his father what really is on is mind. I don't see what else there was to do? Like I said before, he cannot guarantee success. He was and is sorry he called the Panchayat without discussing with MB - but he's also trying to make his father see, that it would not change the circumstance drastically - except that it would have been the right course of implementing. Besides, that is done. And what's coming ahead cannot be predicted with surety. So he's striving to do his best for now. I think it's apparent that MB has always been wary of the way Kesar is with Gulaal - and the entire deeyarvattu controversy weighs on him because of that - he even sent Kesar to boarding for that prime reason a decade ago - but Kesar's wise assurance and sensible approach has hit a point, which is why MB tells him sometimes he talks like he's actually matured.

All in 2 days of his therapy by Talli. Quick transformation.

Not really. Unlike Gulaal, Kesar has not been shying away from problems, and has in fact been seeking answers more than anyone else. In his conversation with God in the temple, his dialog is proof of how close he comes to understanding the problem, when he talks of Gulaal's Vasant impenetrable circumference. Kesar has had his insane moments of impulses - and he has acted recklessly, but it doesn't mean he hasn't been coming around gradually. Talli - by the best practical implementation of stepping into another's shoes - only propels his moment of revelation. He has been gathering the pieces of jigsaw, but when Talli puts him in exactly Gulaal's spot, he can finally put all the pieces together and see the picture it forms. I wont call it a 2-day transformation at all. What has changed overnight is his temperament - and that is entirely attributed to his new found peace in the new found sense of purpose.

Again you are assuming that what he would be doing next. Whereas Talli explains to him that he cannot force Gulaal

to love him, but if he lets her go and if she loves him she will come back. She also assures Kesar that within 3 months she will start loving him. So as per the dialogs, Kesar is now applying a different approach to win Gulaal back.

I'm sorry - but are you dealing with dialogs preferentially? Because in reply to Talli's 3 month Gulaal love claims - Kesar states clearly, that its not his motive any longer. He has not stopped loving Gulaal - he has only stopped seeking from her. Like he later tells PoonamBaa - he's not expecting Gulaal to accept him as a husband anymore. He's only being her friend, because he really wants to offer her the presence of one person in her life that she can really fall back on - a person she hasn't had in a decade. It's absolutely not his intention or approach to win her back - he's put that far far back on his priority list - if you're going by the literal dialog even.

As far as the hope Kesar gave to the family, in the past he has almost shouted back at MotaBha that he is not Vasant and cannot be and does not want to be.

And he's still not striving to be. In fact, he never can be, and his problem solving approach bears a unique character of his own. Perhaps people have this illuson of watching him become Vasant - but what he's striving for is merely becoming worthy of the 'mojdis'. One doesn't have to be a clone, to become equally dependable or capable. Each man to his own ways.

Kesar amazes MotaBha by saying that we should look after Gulaal for what she has done for the family and we should pay her back Did he not know this before? His behavior towards her? we might assume here that he was away to the boarding school, but who told him now to realise this. He still has not brought up his brother's murder especially when Gulaal knew all this time. He is still blinded/panicked by the fear of losing Gulaal.

He's certainly not blinded by the fear of loss, and you really have to back that statement up with example/explanation... because the last thing he's appeared to be these last couple days is panicked and blinded. He's grieved, but he's put it past him. He hit rock bottom by volunteering to let her go - and ever since he did, he has realized every moment that he has given Gulaal at least a seeming semblance of some support. He has only quit shoving their relation in her face, instead he has resorted to being there, in person - whatever the bond. He has not brought up Vasant's murder, because he has stated 'in clear dialog' that he's only striving to give Gulaal some happiness back. Did he not know this before? He did. But then he was blinded by the conflicting emotions of rage and love for her - both of which were vague, and have only slowly cleared out. You are saying what I already did - about how it has taken him al this time to come around - but simply because it's taken him time, one can't assume he shall continue to fail at improving.. especially when for the first time since his return he shows promise of persistent maturity.

Agreed. I respect your take on this, its difficult for some to digest the way they twist and turn it on a dime without any rationale. I will not be surprised if now that doll Champa starts to speak to Gulaal and tells her how to respond to Kesar's moves. The way Talli did to Kesar, You may buy it, I am not.. 😃

I don't know why talking to a picture (Vasant's) or talking to an idol (of God) can be any different from talking to a doll. Sometimes people just introspect in that manner. By talking out loud to inanimate objects - because it clears their line of thought. An idol of God (technically of stone) cannot actually feasibly answer anymore questions than a doll can/will. Non-ideal circumstances just compel people to look desperately for signs, and then it just doesn't matter what brings on the revelation.

In the end, I think we all are guessing. Only the CVs know what's happening! 😃

Originally posted by: SlingShooter

I wonder that CVs of this show are too busy watching other shows that they have lost track of how they have built the story. Mostly dialogs set the direction of the story, (when the character says, "I am going out" and then he walks out. He does not go to bed and sleep) i.e. what you say to whom and how and in what situation. But in the next episode they want to create a twist, they just do it without realizing that its out of place and there is a disconnect..

A day before MotaBha was angry at Kesar and Gulaal and when they go to say sorry he gives them his piece of mind. He is furious at Kesar and Gulaal both at taking such big decisions without consulting the elders. And the first decision by Gulaal of choosing Kesar in Deeyar-vatoo was wrong and now Kesar's decision of breaking the deeyar-vatoo is again wrong and he also says that they don't give enough importance to MotaBha and he means nothing to them. Gulaal says otherwise that they always need his blessings and he snubs her saying that she does not mean what she is saying.

Now this dialog takes place between the head of the family whom Kesar and Gulaal respect and love and Gulaal served MotaBha for so many years had no meaning as far as the story is concerned.

Gulaal and Kesar should have sat down to discuss how do they go about things because MotaBha clearly said what Kesar is doing is incorrect. Neither Kesar nor Gulaal gave MotaBha any assurance ke ham koshish karenge ke saath rahen taake aap khush rahen. When Kesar walks in the kitchen and is upset that MotaBha is angry, Gulaal just assures him but they are oblivious to the fact that their current state of relationship is the issue.

Instead they bring a singer to make MotaBha happy. Did the singer resolved the issue out of MotaBha memory and he sang his miseries caused by Gulaal and Kesar away.

MotaBha was not furious because he did not get to sing or perform in front of the family or listen to his old time favorite singer. His concerns were clearly expressed by him. Kesar and Gulaal were so damn concerned about MotaBha narazgi that they sat in his feet aur haath jodh ke muafi maang rahe thay. But they were in tears when they saw MotaBha singing and they thought that made him happy. (with them????)

After the singer leaves, it was one of the most stupid dialog exchanged. MotaBha thanks Gulaal for making happy (strange) and she humbles herself by saying that elders do not thanks their young ones but give them blessings. MotaBha did not forget the earlier discussion with them and he continues from his yesterday speech and is still sad as to what would happen after 3 months. MotaBha was sad when he said that he cannot imagine the house to be without her. Again Gulaal instead of giving any assurance or making any effort to stay with this family. She bluntly states :

1. Why spoil todays happiness by thinking about what will happen after 3 months.

2. MotaBha was almost in tears by just imagining that he would lose her. Once before, When Talli was about to get married, MotaBha asked her what position she would have after Kesar marries Talli. She requests MotaBha that he will not let her go and she will serve him and this family. But today he raises the same question, what will be her position? Ya mera tujh par kya haq hoga?

3. She just spurts out, as if talking to some roommate in a hostel, that I don't know where I will go and live but I will still have the love/heart connection with this family. In other words she so far is not inclined to stay back as Kesar's wife. Nor she is showing any inclination and intention. What respect, what connection with the family and what does she cares about MotaBha feelings????

4. After the panchayaat asked them to try the DV for 3 months she came to Kesar to thank him and she feels like a free person. And can breathe and under no pressure. But today she was not eating her food, Reva brings her the food. Why has she stopped taking food?? just to make a scene with Kesar. She also overheard Kesar assuring PoonamBa that not to worry, even if Gulaal does not stay as his patni, its still his responsibility to ensure that she is happy. So I guess this is also lagav which brought tears into Gulaal eyes.

Just by hearing these words Revji was so satisfied as if he they are going to stay married forever. Does Revji not realize that after the marriage breaks she will be left alone for life and maybe revert back to widow status. Kamal hai, kaisa baap hai. This colorful dialog assurance is good enough for PoonamBa also who was falling at Kesar's feet. How can Kesar look after Gulaal when she goes away (to no where) and not married to him.

5. The family she talks about, she has not shown to care that much but for Talli. Again today she is guilty as to what happened with Talli and starts to console her that Kesar will one day acknowledge her love. But once it comes to Kesar's love she calls it lagav. If looked at it technically, Talli love is induced love, Gulaal induced it into her by telling her that she will marry Kesar, so she starts loving him. Talli is not buying it anymore.

6. It is obvious that CVs have made up their mind to keep suspense in the story, but for creating this suspense they ignore what they make the character to say or do it.

The point I am trying make is the dialogs sets the direction of the subsequent events. It now appears that they have a books of emotional dialogs with dramatic wordings with them and they just select some at random or some to just create a twist but again it does not go with the characterization and flow of the story. I seriously hope that this show having one of the finest cast for the past so many years, where every actor is giving his/her 100%, should not go down in the history of Star Plus as least watched show because it stopped making sense.