Disturbing Show and Disturbing Concept

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Posted: 14 years ago
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I am baffled at what is so romantic or compelling to watch in this relationship with these two characters that are distinctly lacking in chemistry. A 12 year old boy is forced to marry an adult woman - ILLEGAL. He is then supposed to have fallen in love with a woman who has not aged in over 10 years! This woman is supposed to be someone for whom he has apparently formed a desire. Are we supposed to believe that for over 10 years during these young boy's adolescent that he NEVER had a crush on a girl his OWN age? Give me a break. Who are these writers trying to kid.
Now, instead of marrying a girl his own age, he wants to set up house and have intimiate relations with his sister-in-law who is 10 year his senior!?!?😲 Good grief. And we are now supposed to believe that his adult woman is going to develop a phyiscal desire for a man whom she knew as a child and whom she is supposed to have had a maternal role? I don't care if some people consider they were once friends or whatever, this is beyond me.
I understand this is a show purely for entertainment but to actually consider that people are getting thrilled with this romantic relationship is scary. What next, I can only dread, an aunt falling in love with her nephew?!?!🤢
She should divorce this child from this ludicrous marriage and get out of that house and go home and live with her parents.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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In all fairness what you say does sound terrible in print, and you are entitled to your own opinion.

In my own humble opinion...The show's makers are showing a practice that is common in certain parts of the country- that of "deeyarvattu", wherein a widow is married to her brother-in-law to secure her life. Ironically enough, it was to escape this practice that Gulaal married Kesar, because she considered this marriage to be null and void. She secured her own sanity and honour for the time being and decided to marry off Kesar to a girl his own age when the right time comes. I am not trying to be nonchalant, but a horrifying truth is that child marriages are very much embedded in the Indian reality. Kesar is surely a victim, but Gulaal's intentions, however misguided, were honourable.

As for Kesar developing a physical desire for his sister-in-law, elder to him by many years...I would say it's natural, if not acceptable for some. From all your remarks, I am guessing that you are not a regular viewer of the show, so I draw your attention to a recent episode where Kesar justifies his attraction and love towards Gulaal by saying that ever since his childhood he has thought of her as his wife... it is for the same reason that he never wavered and thought of another girl. For him, Gulaal is his soul mate, his companion...and he was always loyal to her.

And no mention has been made till date of Gulaal accepting Kesar's advances...she has been stubbornly resisting the idea till now. From all that I have seen of this show it takes sudden plunges into the unexpected. So your question of a mother figure developing a physical desire for the brother-in-law she fostered rests till the future. (Let's just forget Freud and the Oedipus complex for now) And Gulaal was never a mother for Kesar really, she was more a friend for him...the childhood sweetheart kind. I think Kesar's brother Vasant could be considered a father figure for him...more than Gulaal being a foster mother. And your statement about what Gulaal should do- "She should divorce this child from this ludicrous marriage and get out of that house and go home and live with her parents". She did precisely that.

As for Gulaal's physical appearance remaining almost the same- she is not too old. Let's say she was 18/19 when she got married...so 10 years later- she must be 28/29 yrs old. And Kesar is 20/21 . Doesn't sound so bad now, right?

I also understand your concern about how such a TV show, albeit for entertainment can attract people and make them shippers of such an unusual relationship. Our TV Viewing does indicate in many ways how we function as a community. As a viewer, I don't have to justify my choice...but suffice to say that we are all incorrigible romantics at heart and wish for a happily ever after. Gulaal has been alone and unhappy all her life, and if Kesar is the silver lining on her horizon, why not??

Edited by Amri174 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Amri174

In all fairness what you say does sound terrible in print, and you are entitled to your own opinion.

In my own humble opinion...The show's makers are showing a practice that is common in certain parts of the country- that of "deeyarvattu", wherein a widow is married to her brother-in-law to secure her life. Ironically enough, it was to escape this practice that Gulaal married Kesar, because she considered this marriage to be null and void. She secured her own sanity and honour for the time being and decided to marry off Kesar to a girl his own age when the right time comes. I am not trying to be nonchalant, but a horrifying truth is that child marriages are very much embedded in the Indian reality. Kesar is surely a victim, but Gulaal's intentions, however misguided, were honourable.

As for Kesar developing a physical desire for his sister-in-law, elder to him by many years...I would say it's natural, if not acceptable for some. From all your remarks, I am guessing that you are not a regular viewer of the show, so I draw your attention to a recent episode where Kesar justifies his attraction and love towards Gulaal by saying that ever since his childhood he has thought of her as his wife... it is for the same reason that he never wavered and thought of another girl. For him, Gulaal is his soul mate, his companion...and he was always loyal to her.

And no mention has been made till date of Gulaal accepting Kesar's advances...she has been stubbornly resisting the idea till now. From all that I have seen of this show it takes sudden plunges into the unexpected. So your question of a mother figure developing a physical desire for the brother-in-law she fostered rests till the future. (Let's just forget Freud and the Oedipus complex for now) And Gulaal was never a mother for Kesar really, she was more a friend for him...the childhood sweetheart kind. I think Kesar's brother Vasant could be considered a father figure for him...more than Gulaal being a foster mother. And your statement about what Gulaal should do- "She should divorce this child from this ludicrous marriage and get out of that house and go home and live with her parents". She did precisely that.

As for Gulaal's physical appearance remaining almost the same- she is not too old. Let's say she was 18/19 when she got married...so 10 years later- she must be 28/29 yrs old. And Kesar is 20/21 . Doesn't sound so bad now, right?

I also understand your concern about how such a TV show, albeit for entertainment can attract people and make them shippers of such an unusual relationship. Our TV Viewing does indicate in many ways how we function as a community. As a viewer, I don't have to justify my choice...but suffice to say that we are all incorrigible romantics at heart and wish for a happily ever after. Gulaal has been alone and unhappy all her life, and if Kesar is the silver lining on her horizon, why not??

I am very familiar with this aborhent practice and the rationale behind it. What this show does is try to condone it. There is NOTHING natural in why this character Kesar should develop any feelings for Gulaal other than the that of the pervase desire of the writers and the need for higher ratings. Also, what you have written is NOT an explanation or justification for why Kesar has not looked at anyone else. It's a lame excuse again by the writers to push this moronic concept forward. Which 12 year old forms a soulmate or relationship with an adult woman and which society would condone such a practice?
I don't care what Gulaal's intentions were; the fact that she participated in such a practice was wrong. What was she thinking at the time or the people around her.
I also never said anyting of Gulaal accepting Kesar's advances. I commented on how disgusting it would be if she did. And please don't waste your time justifying it with Freud's Oedipus Complex which has ZERO scientific basis. To even suggest that boys develop a sexual desire for their mothers or daughter's for their fathers is revolting and was used and is still used by perpetrators for their sexually inappropriate behavior towards their children.
It doesn't matter if these two characters were "friends." I am an adult woman and have known young children - boys - who were 12 when I was 22 and are now older. To even view ANYONE of them in a romantic way would be beyond me. In fact insane.
And have you see the photograph of a 19 year old woman and then at 29 - she looks older. Gulaal is supposed to be 10 years older than Kesar. So according to the story she is supposed to be 32. I did watch this show when it first started and was supposed to be about some girl bringing water to a village but since the TRPs dropped they brought in this ludicrous idea.
I don't find any entertainment in watching the endorsement of this romance and in fact am so repulsed at the idea. I had hoped that the charact would have at least married Tali and these writers would have dropped this idea but I guess the public is so in love with Neil Bhatt that they cannot differ between him and this character Keser or this diabolically backward practice that should have ended years ago along with child marriages, doweries, forced marriages and the toroturous practices widowhood. What next pray are we going to find "romantic" for the sake of entertainment?
Edited by Laila2009 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Without taking away from you the fact that a part of viewership for this show is purely based of romance, I assure you, a whole league of viewers are not looking at the 'romantic' angles - as you would think of them.

On the contrary, your loud remarks against a marriage separated by this opposite to norm age gap is quite appalling to me. I don't want to sit into quoting instances over the matter worldwide - but let's just say you are sounding disturbingly judgmental when you rule out the possibility of a younger male falling in love with an older woman. Forget the fact that hey are married (this way or that) and forget the fact that they are related otherwise too. From the way you put things, it seems the age gap and its reversal is what bothers you the most - and that it should somehow bothers me. You can reply back with your arguments over norm, culture, ethically correct and what not. Thing is, where emotions are concerned, nobody really goes with a rule book - and I assure you I'm not saying this like some soppy sold out phangirl dying to watch good looking leads romance on screen - or even some eternal promoter or love and its many shades.

This is about relationships in general. We have countless range of fiction, and fact, wherein wife or husband cheat on their spouse and extra marital love triangles appear - while the easy way to pass on those stories is by making a villain out of one or the other character - fact is righteousness can only stand so long in the path of what an individual really wants.

The depiction of characters in this show is not to condone practices which you find repulsive, but just to pick up a situation which realistically exists and portray it without falling into trap for TRPs in such. Unlike most leading shows on TV, Gulaal's CVs have actually held strong on themes and character sketches and never gone out of line in that respect. They set out to show an out of line tradition as practiced in parts of the country, and its consequences and the many sides to it - and they are doing just that. They are showing the range of say the bond that can exist in a 'deeyarvattu' - ranging from what Mota Bha and PaanBaa have, to what Kesar and Gul may/may not have. I believe there is no scope for rulling out things in this perspective as right or wrong, because what is being portrayed is simply a circumstance, and its far reaching consequences. While most of us viewers really like to watch the two onscreen leads - if you sit through a chunk of posts made on this forum, you will see how objectively the viewers are looking at the characters and not simply going dreamy eyed at dishy love scenes - which btw, have not even happened.

You are absolutely entitled to an opinion of your own - but I'm not going to refrain from saying its offensive of you to come and set off posts like that - being all judgmental, and telling people on the forum what they should watch/watch not - endorse/endorse not - because that is purely a matter of distinct perspectives. Even if I come across too strong saying this, you remind me of some old school high class English society folks, who would deem and assert the talking of even a lady's pregnancy as improper, even as the chunck of their men continued to live through centuries of finding pleasure in brothels in main streets of London - and that they gladly turned blind eye to. If something is happening - rightly or wrongly - simply showcasing its existence in fiction or fact is not equivalent to promoting a practice; o the other hand, not showing it or pretending like we don't know of its existence doesn't change the fact that it does exist, and certainly does nothing to bring a general awareness over matters that can otherwise never be known to an average man - because really, no one person can lead the life of every other person who exists on the planet, leave aside living and understanding how each and every place and its culture works - and there are only so many ways one can become aware of the world's big picture.

Of course, no offense or hard feelings intended. You merely expressed your POV, and I countered it with the way I look at things.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Laila..what is ur opinion about gays and lesbians??


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Laila: since the show is disturbing you so much..I think you should stop watching it. Why would you want to be disgusted every day for 30 minutes...?? 😕 If something disturbs and disgusts me to that extent...I avoid it. Plenty of other shows where bahu's are being tortured by their in-laws, mistreated by their husbands etc etc with extremely high TRP's. Those should be entertaining...

Also, the show was about a girl who could find water, she did that, people lived, everyone happy...did you really expect her to wake up every morning and keep looking for water for every village in the country? Bet that would have made an excellent show with really high TRP's! 🤔
Edited by Anjalg - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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i was a great fan of gulaal initially, but not anymore. no offence to anyone, but here i have to agree with topic maker coz of two things
1. It is very much true that when thy started the show thy did show gulaal as a maternal figure of Kesar...thy did show an epi in the past where paan baa's mother in law tells her that if she is devaki to kesar then gulaal is like yeshodha... i still dont understand that if thy intended to make gulaal & kesar as a couple then y did thy show motherly bond btw gulaal & kesar in the begining of the show...
am sorry but i dont agree that gulaal & kesar where like friends...if u watch the initial epis again, we can clearly see that gulaal's love, affection, concern & care was like of a mother, not only towards kesar but also to towards his sister, the maker did project it like that only
2. i agree that customes like deeyarvattu may be still prevalent and am not against widow remarriage either, but to show a 20+ lady getting married to a 10yrs old CHILD and then to show that after few yrs him falling in love with the lady who was once shown like a mother to him is totally annoying.
Neil & Manasi may have a good chemistry but when it comes to Gulaal & kesar, we cannot deny that kesar was a CHILD when the deeyarvattu happened and the only reason she chose to do was to protect Mota baas' family & kesar...the maker always projected gulaal as a Godmother of kesar...
my complaint to the makers is that if thy wanted to show kesar & gulaal as a couple then thy could have shown kesar to be in his teens initially, may be 17 or 18 yrs old, then may be we could agree that gulaal & kesar were like friends but to show kesar as a child then gulaal caring for him like a mother and now making them a couple...looks very insensitive...maker should not forget, what thy showed in past while writing the script for the present...to mess up with motherly affection and love btw a couple is totally annoying...
again no offence to anyone, this is just my POV.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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to beigin with by replying to yur thread i am by no means trying to convince you fr smthing what i think is right n yu consider it wrong.

okay kesar developing feelings for gulaal is something very acceptable
22 year old man having feelings fr lets say 32 year old woman is quite natural n acceptable n da woman being his wedded wife...whats wrong in that??
evn if gulaals attitude was smwat motherly fr dat kid kesar bt kesar evn as a kid neva saw her as his mother,he din,t evn respect her as smbdy elder to her,i neva heard him kaling her bhabhi.

its not something very common dats y yu find it odd but sch things can happen n do happen n da writers r presenting us dat unusual love story

it wud hav been odd had gulaal been in love with kesar bt she is not bcz v all all kno hw she treated kesar evn wen he was bck frm da boarding as a grown up man.

but if she develops feelings fr him overtime isn,t dat bad...i mean y not??
y do yu find it so odd?
she z human
why do v alwas expect females to be so supa human
watevr way she treated kesar was 10 years bck n den she lost all contact vth dat kesar n if she nw develops feelings fr kesar,it isn,t fr dat kid kesar rather da young man who loves her like anything
who can go to any extent fr dat love
n who can give her dat love she craved fr all dez 10 years of her loneliness
comon guys be humans first
society comes next...
Edited by mystikal - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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yaar serial aastitva was too good. and sim was 32 and abay was 22
karol baagh was good girl was 32 and boy was 22 again great chemistry
atleast here gulal is 28 (then18) and keser is 22(then 12) i mean only 6 years gap
actually i m maths teacher thats why very practical
the problem is gulal is not coming out of her past
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laila2009

I am very familiar with this aborhent practice and the rationale behind it. What this show does is try to condone it. There is NOTHING natural in why this character Kesar should develop any feelings for Gulaal other than the that of the pervase desire of the writers and the need for higher ratings. Also, what you have written is NOT an explanation or justification for why Kesar has not looked at anyone else. It's a lame excuse again by the writers to push this moronic concept forward. Which 12 year old forms a soulmate or relationship with an adult woman and which society would condone such a practice?

I don't care what Gulaal's intentions were; the fact that she participated in such a practice was wrong. What was she thinking at the time or the people around her.
I also never said anyting of Gulaal accepting Kesar's advances. I commented on how disgusting it would be if she did. And please don't waste your time justifying it with Freud's Oedipus Complex which has ZERO scientific basis. To even suggest that boys develop a sexual desire for their mothers or daughter's for their fathers is revolting and was used and is still used by perpetrators for their sexually inappropriate behavior towards their children.
It doesn't matter if these two characters were "friends." I am an adult woman and have known young children - boys - who were 12 when I was 22 and are now older. To even view ANYONE of them in a romantic way would be beyond me. In fact insane.
And have you see the photograph of a 19 year old woman and then at 29 - she looks older. Gulaal is supposed to be 10 years older than Kesar. So according to the story she is supposed to be 32. I did watch this show when it first started and was supposed to be about some girl bringing water to a village but since the TRPs dropped they brought in this ludicrous idea.
I don't find any entertainment in watching the endorsement of this romance and in fact am so repulsed at the idea. I had hoped that the charact would have at least married Tali and these writers would have dropped this idea but I guess the public is so in love with Neil Bhatt that they cannot differ between him and this character Keser or this diabolically backward practice that should have ended years ago along with child marriages, doweries, forced marriages and the toroturous practices widowhood. What next pray are we going to find "romantic" for the sake of entertainment?

Dear God you sound so superficial, small minded and jugdemental. I dont want to sound rude or... well like you... but maybe you should read more about the world, past cultures and present. We are not living in a world like "stepford wives", there are no containers were every beings like can be orderly labeled and put. Your words made me cold, and I was only reading your post with half a heart. Seriously its people like you, who bury their heads in sand is want is partially wrong with the world today, and yes I want to offend you like your post has struck a sharpe pain in me, cause I'm a nurse who cares for the battered wives, and the abused children of forced marriages, and for the ones I know watc this serial would have given anything for a second chance at happiness, for a good honest partner like kesar.

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