Kesar is NOT negative but a VICTIM! EDITED!

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Okay WOW look at me posting alot today *will regret it next week in exams * but anyway this is a post for those who are finding it difficult to digest Kesar's change and the TK marriage! I will try to explain as best as I can!

The victim is Kesar. WHY? You may ask. Well because today we all saw how stubborn Gulaal was with her mother and she refused to listen to reason. She always does what she wants and always gets her way. GOD she reminds me of myself I'm such a spoilt brat 😆 Because of this Kesar was cornered by Talli, Sudha and Gulaal (without his knowledge I'm speaking figuratively obviously). He didn't know about it for a long time but when he did find out he was hurt because his important life decisions were being made without his consent or knowledge even. Even if he had refused to marry Talli, I'm sure Gulaal would've had her way and would've forced Kesar into marrying Talli. We all know that she always keeps her "stupid promises" regardless of Kesar's feelings.

His change into his (insanely HAWT might I say ☺️) behaviour is the reason of all this, he knows he wouldn't have had a choice to choose his own life partner because of Gulaal's words yesterday, she wounded him so deeply and they say a scorned man in love is as dangerous as it gets (okay maybe that saying has been manipulated 😆 but you get the point) I think he feels that the only way to make Gulaal see her mistake is by doing what he is, his emotions cloud his judgement to the point where he cant see what's he's doing as the wrong thing, though I think he knows the consequences his actions might have (hint him giving Talli a chance to back out) so just don't blame Kesar in all of this, everyone shares a blame equally. Had Kesar spoken out to his family about him wanting to remain Gulaal's husband maybe that's would've solved some problems but then where's the masala in the show 😆

As for the marriage, it hasn't happened yet and we dunno if it will happen so chillax. It's only the preparations that are happening. For all we know some problem arises and they dont get married. (DUGGU might come in 😆) And now that Gulaal knows Kesar's intentions of revenge I'm sure she will regret and might even try to stop the wedding herself *wink wink*

I honestly don't see the marriage as a bad thing, for all we know it might be the only thing that might jolt Gulaal and make her realise that maybe Kesar would've been happy with her, no matter how much she tries to deny it. (I have more ideas on this theory so I will elaborate further if anyone asks)

Besides we can always petition for Talli's character to be bumped off the show *evil laugh* 😉

As you can probably tell, I'm just kinda sick of defending Gulaal's POV 😆 I just cant stand her decision-making at the moment 😛 And I'm all up for Kesar going evil, I'm loving it really and who doesn't wanna see Talli torture? She tortured us audience for a long time with her talks of marriage with Kesar 🤢 Now she will get what she wanted but not how she wanted it!

Oh and one more thing, I have Never seen Neil in such a complex character before hence my excitement by the prospect of this marriage and change in Kesar turning into something good, it gives Neil a chance to develop his acting skill and Kesar's character turns something more than just a guy in love...the usual types you know, its changes the dynamics of not only his character, but also the relationships he has with his family as well as the coming tracks. 😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I agree with this post so much.

[quote]I honestly don't see the marriage as a bad thing, for all we know it might be the only thing that might jolt Gulaal and make her realise that maybe Kesar would've been happy with her, no matter how much she tries to deny it. (I have more ideas on this theory so I will elaborate further if anyone asks)[/quote]

I'm asking.😊

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Posted: 14 years ago
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"As you can probably tell, I'm just kinda sick of defending Gulaal's POV 😆 I just cant stand her decision-making at the moment 😛 And I'm all up for Kesar going evil, I'm loving it really and who doesn't wanna see Talli torture? She tortured us audience for a long time with her talks of marriage with Kesar 🤢 Now she will get what she wanted but not how she wanted it!"

LOLLL!!! Ok, I can't justify the marriage in any way! Let me just point out that though the thought of Talli being tortured is very appealing...guess who will have to put up with her whining...US...so maybe we should all just be praying that this marriages does not happen! Earlier she used to moan about wanting to get married to Kes...now she will moan about why she ever got married to Kes. I feel like this girl gets way too much air time...Gulaal is pretty much in the background while all we get to see is Talli and her tears!
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Okay WOW look at me posting alot today *will regret it next week in exams * but anyway this is a post for those who are finding it difficult to digest Kesar's change and the TK marriage! I will try to explain as best as I can!

^^^^ lol i did that with my exams last week. Oh well I'm so attatched to Gulaal - amazing.
And you could have not said it any better - yes Kesar is the victim and is seen as the bad guy in his house who causes shame which is partially Gulaal's fault.
She always gets her way - just because Kesar loves her or she's sensed it she pushed him so far off onto Talli. Kesar's feelings are completely justified. Gulaal really needs to wake up.
But maybe-just what do you thinks going to happen? Like will Gulaal fall for Kesar ever ? :( Because that's all I wanted to see lol x

Thanks for the post x
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Posted: 14 years ago
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😆 I have no choice but to answer now! 😉 Well we all know what Gulaal is like, she treats everyone in the family like a kid and acts like she is always right (God I sound like im against Gulaal 😆 im not, i just interpret her character this way) even though Kesar is a lot more than she gives him credit for and acts like he is a kid too and doesn't know what's right or not! Kesar on the other hand is mature enough however the way he's going about it (Talli..revenge...Gulaal etc) is the wrong way, I guess that his emotions!

So now that's he going to torture Talli, I'm guessing or rather hoping that he will spite Gulaal too in the process and make her jealous. And I'm sure subconsciously Gulaal considers Kesar her husband and might unknowingly try to act like Kesar's wife as she's used to sitting in pujas with him and all. This is when Kesar might take his chance to remind Gulaal that that's not her place anymore hurting her or Talli may make her realise about her place now as she'll be doing all pujas and whatnot with Kesar after their marriage (IF IT HAPPENS). I think little things like this might give her an inkling to her mistake and realisation. Now the bonus will be if JamnaKaki speaks about how Gulaal isn't Kesar's wife anymore and say things that will hurt. I'm hoping even the villagers will join in at taunting Gulaal , not just the Kesar's wife taunt but also about dushyant too! Sounds really mean but this is what happens when A PERSON IS IN DENIAL!

Now remmeber I'm just guessing and hoping here, who knows what the future holds!😆

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Anjalg

Earlier she used to moan about wanting to get married to Kes...now she will moan about why she ever got married to Kes. I feel like this girl gets way too much air time...Gulaal is pretty much in the background while all we get to see is Talli and her tears!


Well if your watching it online then there's a forward button 😆 If your lucky or unlucky enough to watch it on TV then there's the mute button 😆 if things are still not enough, I'll be edging towards creating a petition to get Talli thrown into the river too...MAMLA KHALAAS 🤣😉 Na rehay gi Talli, na baje ga uss ka baja 😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I agree with you totally...Kesar has become more Hawt...and not deviating from main point...is a victim of brain deficient scheming women...lolzzz
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Okay WOW look at me posting alot today *will regret it next week in exams * but anyway this is a post for those who are finding it difficult to digest Kesar's change and the TK marriage! I will try to explain as best as I can!

Thanks for the wonderful effort, I appreciate it.

The victim is Kesar. I agree 100 % WHY? You may ask. Well because today we all saw how stubborn Gulaal was with her mother and she refused to listen to reason. She always does what she wants and always gets her way. GOD she reminds me of myself I'm such a spoilt brat ya dont we all, but i was not as ziddi as Gulaal. Because of this Kesar was cornered by Talli, Sudha and Gulaal (without his knowledge I'm speaking figuratively obviously). He didn't know about it for a long time but when he did find out he was hurt because his important life decisions were being made without his consent or knowledge even. Even if he had refused to marry Talli, I'm sure Gulaal would've had her way and would've forced Kesar into marrying Talli. You know one thing Kesar will in every possible way try to keep Gulaal's word, he loves her that much, at no cost will he allow Gulaal's vachan be broken, but yes he will play a game in such a way that Gulaal ki baat bhi reh jaaye and Talli is also not hurt. Also think about it Gulaal will never be able to accept Kesar if Talli is heart broken. i am just waiting to see what drama is there to unfold. If Kesar wanted he could have gone to Motaba with the truth of Vasant's death but he did not... why for the same reason Gulaal...in no way he would want her to loose face in front of family. We all know that she always keeps her "stupid promises" regardless of Kesar's feelings.

His change into his (insanely HAWT might I say )

yes I would call it hawt too, well described. behaviour is the reason of all this, he knows he wouldn't have had a choice to choose his own life partner because of Gulaal's words yesterday, she wounded him so deeply and they say a scorned man in love is as dangerous as it gets (okay maybe that saying has been manipulated but you get the point) I think he feels that the only way to make Gulaal see her mistake is by doing what he is, his emotions cloud his judgement to the point where he cant see what's he's doing as the wrong thing, though I think he knows the consequences his actions might have (hint him giving Talli a chance to back out) so just don't blame Kesar in all of this, everyone shares a blame equally. Had Kesar spoken out to his family about him wanting to remain Gulaal's husband ... Kesar loves Gulaal too much he would never have put her in a spot with the family maybe that's would've solved some problems but then where's the masala in the show

As for the marriage, it hasn't happened yet and we dunno if it will happen so chillax.

(It wont my gut feel to ) It's only the preparations that are happening. For all we know some problem arises and they dont get married. (DUGGU might come in ) And now that Gulaal knows Kesar's intentions of revenge I'm sure she will regret and might even try to stop the wedding herself *wink wink*

I honestly don't see the marriage as a bad thing, for all we know it might be the only thing that might jolt Gulaal and make her realise that maybe Kesar would've been happy with her, no matter how much she tries to deny it. (I have more ideas on this theory so I will elaborate further if anyone asks)

Besides we can always petition for Talli's character to be bumped off the show *evil laugh*

As you can probably tell, I'm just kinda sick of defending Gulaal's POV I just cant stand her decision-making at the moment And I'm all up for Kesar going evil, I'm loving it really and who doesn't wanna see Talli torture? She tortured us audience for a long time with her talks of marriage with Kesar Now she will get what she wanted but not how she wanted it!

LOL😆 I have been on Gulaal's case since the start of the show..ie I watched after Neil's entry but like a true fan I went and watched the whole show right from beginning and have always found her charecterization to be highly unrealistic and it has gotten worse over time.

Oh and one more thing, I have Never seen Neil in such a complex character before hence my excitement by the prospect of this marriage and change in Kesar turning into something good, it gives Neil a chance to develop his acting skill and Kesar's character turns something more than just a guy in love...the usual types you know, its changes the dynamics of not only his character, but also the relationships he has with his family as well as the coming tracks.

Isnt it wonderful to see Neil in such a complex role and he is so fabulous at it. Even I cant understand why everyone is going upset at the change in Kesar's character. This is just an act he is putting on to bring some sense into stubborn and foolsih Gulaal. I personally love to see this variation in character, Neil excels at it. As an actor this must be very satisfying for him to be able to portray such a wide range within one character. I am just enjoying each and every minute of this show. It is as if sudden life has been bought into the show. Sick of seeing those toothpaste ad smiles from Gulaal and Talli all the time.😆

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Originally posted by: maybe-just

Okay WOW look at me posting alot today *will regret it next week in exams *

Don't worry. You seem to be too dedicated to anything that you would do. That too convincingly. So you would rock in exams too.
but anyway this is a post for those who are finding it difficult to digest Kesar's change and the TK marriage! I will try to explain as best as I can!
Kesar was always meant to be a character with a whole new dimension relating to complexities in human emotions. So unless viewers hope for the conventional goodness to a show lead, it is not going to be that hard to understand Kesar's change in behavior

The victim is Kesar. WHY? You may ask.
No doubts about it. He was and is a VICTIM.
Well because today we all saw how stubborn Gulaal was with her mother and she refused to listen to reason. She always does what she wants and always gets her way. GOD she reminds me of myself I'm such a spoilt brat 😆 Because of this Kesar was cornered by Talli, Sudha and Gulaal (without his knowledge I'm speaking figuratively obviously). He didn't know about it for a long time but when he did find out he was hurt because his important life decisions were being made without his consent or knowledge even. Even if he had refused to marry Talli, I'm sure Gulaal would've had her way and would've forced Kesar into marrying Talli. We all know that she always keeps her "stupid promises" regardless of Kesar's feelings. What annoys most is that she thinks she is right.
What Kesar reminded her was that she can't promise a happy life to Talli unless he was willing to cooperate.

His change into his (insanely HAWT might I say ☺️) behaviour is the reason of all this, he knows he wouldn't have had a choice to choose his own life partner because of Gulaal's words yesterday, she wounded him so deeply and they say a scorned man in love is as dangerous as it gets (okay maybe that saying has been manipulated 😆 but you get the point) I think he feels that the only way to make Gulaal see her mistake is by doing what he is, his emotions cloud his judgement to the point where he cant see what's he's doing as the wrong thing, though I think he knows the consequences his actions might have (hint him giving Talli a chance to back out) so just don't blame Kesar in all of this, everyone shares a blame equally. Had Kesar spoken out to his family about him wanting to remain Gulaal's husband maybe that's would've solved some problems but then where's the masala in the show 😆
His family still finds him immature and out of order because they have blind faith on Gulaal. Even if he had spoken to his family stating his wish, they would ignore it as immaturity and Gulaal continuing to tell them that she does not give importance to the ritual will convince his family that Kesar has totally lost it.

As for the marriage, it hasn't happened yet and we dunno if it will happen so chillax. It's only the preparations that are happening. For all we know some problem arises and they dont get married.
I was wondering when Sudha invited Raman, whether he agrees or not, he is the father figure to Talli. Kesar being Raman's brother, I wish someone ( read some sensible one) should have brought up the issue that Kesar becomes Tall's uncle by relation. I was so banking on Jamna Kaki on this. I need to thank my friend who has put this "Chachaji" thought in me.
(DUGGU might come in 😆) And now that Gulaal knows Kesar's intentions of revenge I'm sure she will regret and might even try to stop the wedding herself *wink wink*
If she really cares for Talli, she would. Or if she is over confident that Kesar cannot go to such lengths to hurt Talli and believes that over a period of time Kesar will accept Talli, then she wouldn't

I honestly don't see the marriage as a bad thing Marriage will doom Talli's life forever. She has been fed on fantasies about Kesar as her prince charming. Yesterday when she told Kesar that she does not even remember any reason for her to love him, it was obvious that she is not actually in love with him. Her need to get married stems from her insecurities of being orphaned at such a young age that she is looking for rightful reasons to be part of this family that she is so used to. Because she knows in ths household Sudha and Gulaal are always there or her,
for all we know it might be the only thing that might jolt Gulaal and make her realise that maybe Kesar would've been happy with her
Remote possibility
no matter how much she tries to deny it. (I have more ideas on this theory so I will elaborate further if anyone asks)

Besides we can always petition for Talli's character to be bumped off the show *evil laugh* 😉

As you can probably tell, I'm just kinda sick of defending Gulaal's POV 😆
I have never done that mistake. I believe in "A smallest good deed is better than the grandest good intention. Gulaal's intention may be grand but she is not even into a smallest good deed when it comes to understanding Kesar.
I just cant stand her decision-making at the moment 😛 And I'm all up for Kesar going evil, I'm loving it really and who doesn't wanna see Talli torture? She tortured us audience for a long time with her talks of marriage with Kesar 🤢 Now she will get what she wanted but not how she wanted it!

Oh and one more thing, I have Never seen Neil in such a complex character before hence my excitement by the prospect of this marriage and change in Kesar turning into something good, it gives Neil a chance to develop his acting skill and Kesar's character turns something more than just a guy in love...the usual types you know, its changes the dynamics of not only his character, but also the relationships he has with his family as well as the coming tracks. 😊
Neil is capable of enacting these transitions in his character so convincingly, it does give him ample scope to explore himself as an actor. he has the true potential for that. And as your topic indicates, its not a negative character, it is having partial and minimal shades of gray(not evil) because at present Kesar behaves in proportion to the amount of trauma he has been subjected to for so long.

The last word from Gulaal that he has NO RIGHTS was the last straw. It is not negative, because, even I am sure Kesar can't actually hurt Talli. Leaving her in the middle of the road was something wrong but she was purely responsible for it. He did not leave her in a jungle all alone. Yesterday's scene: Kesar does feel helpless when she says she has been in love with him in all these years. I hope howmuch ever he scares Gulaal, as a good friend he is able to help Talli to make her think out of the box and realise that there exists a world beyond her imaginations and fantasies. Gulaal spoke these words to Motaba yesterday when she said that she knows nothing beyond this house and haveli and all that she knows is the confines of this house and requested him that she be permitted to stay in this house later too. Such a Gulaal has made Talli also so dependant and never groomed her to become an independant individual with an identity to call her own.

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