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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Eesha2


You define normality in such a broad term. Who is to say what normal is? Many people might disagree with you when you say that their disabled child might not be able to lead a normal life. Many people might define a normal life as a happy life. Their child is happy and that to them might be a normal life. Who are we to pick and choose what normal is and what normal isn't. Technology now might enable us to abort children and to see if a fetus has any abnormalities or not, but that wasn't always the case. People centuries before us learned to live with such handicaps and the world before didn't have such things as medicare and government help programs, but they seemed to get along just fine. I understand that it's difficult financially and emotionally, but what isn't. Based on your case here, you're saying handicap children shouldn't be brought into this world because it's hard to take care of them. I'm sorry to see such ignorance in this world. Are you trying to say that a handicap child has any less of a right to live in this world. What you define as "normal" might turn out to be a murderer or a psycho path so who's to define normality. Are you saying such people have more a right to live in this world simply because their sonogram and tests came out normal. Why don't we just start picking and choosing who gets to live and who doesn't. I for one wouldn't want to live in such a world.

There are cases that are VERY apparent if a child is going to be normal or NOT and if that child will survive. There are a number of tests that can be done and it is the RIGHT of the mother to make that choice. She should not be judged for that decision. PRO-CHOICE all the way. The RIGHT is of the mother and father in some instances. EVERYTHING you say is hypothetical - what if, what if, what if. At that time, if the woman WANTs to go ahead, that is her RIGHT and we should support that option, if NOT, then we should support her choice there.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hi Laila,

From your posts it looks like you are doing exactly what you dont want the serial to do! I feel that you are forwarding your POV without give any room for debate. There are a lot of points you make. I want to give my two cents on these views.

Abortion is a very grey area and every decision made is personal. It has to be done only by the parents and nobody else should be allowed to decide - doctors or priests or officials or scientists or even family. This is what is choice.

When you say pro-choice it appears that the choice is made by others - like doctors, society, govt. etc Could you also give me the reference for the scientific claim that life starts only at 16 weeks? All the so called medical tests are not error proof. They are all hypothetical. What they tell you is the probability of the fetus/child having developmental problems with an error bar and confidence level. As far as I know there is no 100% confidence for any genetic testing or there is no definition of when life starts. In this case religion and science are almost the same as all data are empirical.

BTW, why do you object to Gopi's POV? She said what she thinks as right - that is it is a sin to abort the fetus. What is wrong in that? Why do you call it naive and ignorant? She may be biased but not wrong. Tell me who is not biased. And India is too big a country and it has place for all possible type of people to live. society has a very short memory and always jumps at the next scandal.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: br2499

Hi Laila,


From your posts it looks like you are doing exactly what you dont want the serial to do! I feel that you are forwarding your POV without give any room for debate. There are a lot of points you make. I want to give my two cents on these views.

Abortion is a very grey area and every decision made is personal. It has to be done only by the parents and nobody else should be allowed to decide - doctors or priests or officials or scientists or even family. This is what is choice.

When you say pro-choice it appears that the choice is made by others - like doctors, society, govt. etc Could you also give me the reference for the scientific claim that life starts only at 16 weeks? All the so called medical tests are not error proof. They are all hypothetical. What they tell you is the probability of the fetus/child having developmental problems with an error bar and confidence level. As far as I know there is no 100% confidence for any genetic testing or there is no definition of when life starts. In this case religion and science are almost the same as all data are empirical.

BTW, why do you object to Gopi's POV? She said what she thinks as right - that is it is a sin to abort the fetus. What is wrong in that? Why do you call it naive and ignorant? She may be biased but not wrong. Tell me who is not biased. And India is too big a country and it has place for all possible type of people to live. society has a very short memory and always jumps at the next scandal.

b42499 - The show pushed ONE point of VIEW of PRO-LIFE. But you have NO issue regarding this? Gopi's view was PRO-LIFE - did you not notice? Moreoever, for the lead character to promote it is a SIN or a show to push this as one is wrong.
Evidently you have no idea what is the meaning of PRO-CHOICE - this is a choice that is made by the individual in question. You want evidence - there is google and also your biology teacher. But the fact that you believe religion and science is the same, then all knowledge of a scientific nature or tests used and the emperical evidence associated are also wasted.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I wanted to stay away from this discussion but can't help now.
Okay, so Gopi Vahu considers abortion as sin. So? She is an idiot and nobody in MM should have listened to her, right? Koki who is the decision maker of the house and the guard dog of 'khandan ki izzat' just agreed to Gopi Vahu? Guys, its just the CVs using Gopi Vahu to drag their crap story. They don't give a damn about what they are promoting. I am sure they did not think if its PRO-LIFE or PRO-CHOICE (may be because there is no real issue, the pregnancy is fake😛).
Imagine what would have happened if Koki had taken Kinjal for abortion. 😆. Kinjal's dirty little secret would have been out and the track would be finished in a week.😕 So clever CVs have used poor Gopi Vahu to take a 'PRO-LIFE' stance so that they can drag this boring track for another couple of weeks. That's it.
Laila, SNS is a different show. It does not address any social issues so don't go looking for any answers here. 😛 Take it easy.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: monalidp

I wanted to stay away from this discussion but can't help now.

Okay, so Gopi Vahu considers abortion as sin. So? She is an idiot and nobody in MM should have listened to her, right? Koki who is the decision maker of the house and the guard dog of 'khandan ki izzat' just agreed to Gopi Vahu? Guys, its just the CVs using Gopi Vahu to drag their crap story. They don't give a damn about what they are promoting. I am sure they did not think if its PRO-LIFE or PRO-CHOICE (may be because there is no real issue, the pregnancy is fake😛).
Imagine what would have happened if Koki had taken Kinjal for abortion. 😆. Kinjal's dirty little secret would have been out and the track would be finished in a week.😕 So clever CVs have used poor Gopi Vahu to take a 'PRO-LIFE' stance so that they can drag this boring track for another couple of weeks. That's it.
Laila, SNS is a different show. It does not address any social issues so don't go looking for any answers here. 😛 Take it easy.

Monalidp: I liked everything you wrote, but please, not need for the "Take it easy" comment 😊 It's an Indian thing I have noted, but where I come from it is seen as being disrespectful and patronizing. We have not go to the point where Kinjal's pregnancy was fake, but that still means she was sexually active with Umaang and I can only imagine what Kokila is thinking at this point. Are there more surpises in store with news that Umaang and her never did the horizontal tango and don't know what it is - they just made up this storyline then I am really stunned.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laila2009

Monalidp: I liked everything you wrote, but please, not need for the "Take it easy" comment 😊 It's an Indian thing I have noted, but where I come from it is seen as being disrespectful and patronizing. We have not go to the point where Kinjal's pregnancy was fake, but that still means she was sexually active with Umaang and I can only imagine what Kokila is thinking at this point. Are there more surpises in store with news that Umaang and her never did the horizontal tango and don't know what it is - they just made up this storyline then I am really stunned.

I am 100% sure Kinjal-Umang were not sexually active as these kinds of 'immoral' things do not fit in a 'clean' show like SNS. It does not take up any real issues - neither the pregnancy is real nor the pre-marital sex.
As to 'Take it easy', it's not an 'Indian Thing' neither is it considered disrespectful and patronising from where I come. People all over the world use this phrase when they are trying to soothe someone or trying to create some harmony.
PS -I am off this topic now. I just like to focus on the more pleasant aspects of SNS like Sadhli's two latest VMs on GoHem ⭐️
Adios.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I agree, abortions are a personal choice. I believe they can make people's lives better. I mean, i know i'm not allowed to talk abt this on here and what not, but i watch 16&pregnant and teen moms on MTV and those highschool girls really struggle! they're just lucky they have their parents support in those shows. But back to our indian community or w.e. I think if a girl was to get pregnant somehow without using proper birth control, whether she was married or not it should be entirely up to her whether she is ready to become a mother or not. There has been many many shows in which an abortion has happened (ONE example... Pavitra Ristha). Choti Kagri's life would've been so much better had that been an option. This show would've also been less predictable!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: upenswife

I agree, abortions are a personal choice. I believe they can make people's lives better. I mean, i know i'm not allowed to talk abt this on here and what not, but i watch 16&pregnant and teen moms on MTV and those highschool girls really struggle! they're just lucky they have their parents support in those shows. But back to our indian community or w.e. I think if a girl was to get pregnant somehow without using proper birth control, whether she was married or not it should be entirely up to her whether she is ready to become a mother or not. There has been many many shows in which an abortion has happened (ONE example... Pavitra Ristha). Choti Kagri's life would've been so much better had that been an option. This show would've also been less predictable!

I think that is what we as women should advocate. No woman should be pressured by the word SIN that it is wrong and that's my point. When they show has the lead character push such an agenda it is wrong - very wrong. The reason why we have few abortions and why these girls are struggling is as a result of the US pro-life movement. Before a young girl would be given the option of an abortion but now that the stigman of having unborn children has been removed in the US (thanks to the pro-life movement) illegitimate children are now dime a dozen in this country. On top of that these girls are not given contraceptives (part of the abstinence movement also pushed by those who are pushing the pro-life agenda). I am just shocked to see that it has made its way to India.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Well said laila and here I am only voicing my opinion based on what I am reading here on these posts about the show.

This Agenda is given by religion and politics and millions of dollars are also at stake. If this movement has already reached India..BUT Indians are definitely not ready for this kind of politics. India has many other issues at hand to face than adding this one more in the mix?!!!

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