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telstra

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Posted: 14 years ago

#31

lets blame creatives full heartedly see in the begining they said that this show is different from regular indian shows and they just not said they showed us this but now what ? we have got very very high expectations from you pearl mam aasman say zameen par gira diya humain in less than a year

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Posted: 14 years ago

#32

Definintely the actors can't be blamed. It is the CVs who decided, CVs who chose this feedback from all the other feedback they got to implement these changes.

Partly also the fans who cribbed and cribbed and cribbed about side characters like the Mathurs and Saxenas. These people were there to be a foil, a background to the story and even if they were boring or irritating they had a purpose to serve - they had to provide spaces, help pace out the main storyline.
But did the fans understand this? No. They demanded Kriya everyday, they crisiticed Pratigya incessantly, critised her moral stands and values, sneered at her Bhashans, said she was TOO STRONG, they put the Thakurs above everything else, they defended SS, Amma and KN in spite of their bad values - so the CVs have decided that the audience does not apprecitate good values, goodness, the need to do the right thing. So they are now bent upon giving us crude jethani-devrani masala.

I'm not blaming fans entirely - it is finally the CVs decision to choose from the range of feedback they get and they've chosen to listen to the WORST advice of all that people have been saying. But at least a small percetage of blame goes to fans who are partially responsible for making CVs feel that we were simply not getting what they were trying to say and that we deserve no more than this.
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Dyehard

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Posted: 14 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: dhakarn
Just take a look at what the Cvs had done so far..................regarding our demands...........😡

I just don't understand the CVs'''..

majority of the viewers reminded them of their amnesia about the election-guruma track, they ignored it''''..😡

we reminded them daily we need a progession in adarsh-komal relation with adarsh understanding some home truths but again they ignored us'''😡

we wanted SS and krishna to be what they are and not a ghost of their self , again we were brutally ignored'.😡

We repeatedly told them we want to see pratigya finally standing up for her man ,. But we got to see every other women worshiping their man instead''.latest one to get added to the long list is MRS. SCAM

We wanted kesar to finally speak for her self respect but we r going to see her existence being questioned , her self respect being trampled by having a sautan'''..(I hope the CVs r cooking up this track to show a strong kesar)

Only a minority wanted arushi to marry sakthi, not bec it will follow as a logical or creative track in the story line , but bec of immense hatred for her and bec of the thirst to see her suffer, and miraculously the CVs sprouted eyes and we r going to see arushi as KN's bride'''''the Cvs just didn't see what the majority of the audience wanted'''..they never saw, or cared '''''.😡
and we repeatedly said to get the pratigya niwas track moving , and bring tunna and chandu more, show more bonding between them and kriya(already there is, but a little more fun would be good) , but never ever we saw TC enlightening K about what P went through those 2 days when he chose to wander around alahabaad.................😡

Yes indeed all these tracks have been repeatedly asked but what about the real core narrative that the story was projecting from its very inception?

What about overthrowing the system of female subjugation?
- How could this be achieved if the audience always hates the Protagonist for being too powerful or too vociferous? How many truly supported Pratigya and her mission? How many in this forum gave her the support that krishna used to give her? Or do we remember people only interested in her to the extent that she is dutiful to krishna and openly and constantly declares her loyalties for him. How many people on this forum praised Pratigya for her courage and her strength and her indomitable spirit.
Do the words head strong, arrogant, cold, tactless, senseless, teacher, bhashanwali, proffs daughter, bad wife, disloyal, hypocrite sound familiar to you?

The transformation of Krishna Singh.
But was this forum ready for a real transformation? Not genteel manners but a change of core values. The same way P has learnt that an overt regard for respectabilty is not necessarily a very good thing, especially when it goes unsupported by strong personal convictions and self-belief. She has moved away from her middle-class genteelness to a more robust attitude to the core values of good and bad inside human beings.
Similarly, Krishna who was bound by gratitude, loyalty and love to his own family values had to recognize the inherent rot within the system and reject those values and make a man of himself. How is this possible if the audience refuses to see beyond the Father-son nok-jhonk? When SS is growing more and more irritable due to loss of power when there was a growing distance between their values, do you remember so many voices asking for a renewed bond between them? Just because a thing was sweet to begin with, are we not mature enough to accept changing circumstances? After all what is a story if not changing circumstances?

What about evil-doers being punished?
SS, Thakurain, KN are all ruthless murderers. we all know this. But can you remember how many people loved them, and continued to support them and say that they were good only because they were funny? Is their no difference between goodness and entertainment value? Do you remember how many people hoped that Pratigya would be taken down a notch or two by these very people? How anything could be forgiven because the 'actors' were more popular?
Now why are we sad if those people have been shown to win and succeed?

DhakDhak,
you know don't you that I am not asking you these questions personally by just airing my thoughts on your thread because there is an interesting discussion going on here? 😃

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loveanime

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Posted: 14 years ago

#34

Originally posted by: Dyehard

Yes indeed all these tracks have been repeatedly asked but what about the real core narrative that the story was projecting from its very inception?

What about overthrowing the system of female subjugation?
- How could this be achieved if the audience always hates the Protagonist for being too powerful or too vociferous? How many truly supported Pratigya and her mission? How many in this forum gave her the support that krishna used to give her? Or do we remember people only interested in her to the extent that she is dutiful to krishna and openly and constantly declares her loyalties for him. How many people on this forum praised Pratigya for her courage and her strength and her indomitable spirit.
Do the words head strong, arrogant, cold, tactless, senseless, teacher, bhashanwali, proffs daughter, bad wife, disloyal, hypocrite sound familiar to you?

The transformation of Krishna Singh.
But was this forum ready for a real transformation? Not genteel manners but a change of core values. The same way P has learnt that an overt regard for respectabilty is not necessarily a very good thing, especially when it goes unsupported by strong personal convictions and self-belief. She has moved away from her middle-class genteelness to a more robust attitude to the core values of good and bad inside human beings.
Similarly, Krishna who was bound by gratitude, loyalty and love to his own family values had to recognize the inherent rot within the system and reject those values and make a man of himself. How is this possible if the audience refuses to see beyond the Father-son nok-jhonk? When SS is growing more and more irritable due to loss of power when there was a growing distance between their values, do you remember so many voices asking for a renewed bond between them? Just because a thing was sweet to begin with, are we not mature enough to accept changing circumstances? After all what is a story if not changing circumstances?

What about evil-doers being punished?
SS, Thakurain, KN are all ruthless murderers. we all know this. But can you remember how many people loved them, and continued to support them and say that they were good only because they were funny? Is their no difference between goodness and entertainment value? Do you remember how many people hoped that Pratigya would be taken down a notch or two by these very people? How anything could be forgiven because the 'actors' were more popular?
Now why are we sad if those people have been shown to win and succeed?

DhakDhak,
you know don't you that I am not asking you these questions personally by just airing my thoughts on your thread because there is an interesting discussion going on here? 😃

Bullseye. People should stop whining now. This is what they wanted and they got it. 24 hours Takurs. Yipeeeeeeeeeee for us. I still remember when Arushi insulted Krishna the first time he came to her house after beating up angad, the storm that was raised asking her to be punished. So now she has been punished so why are we complaining. They wanted her to suffer she will suffer, oh it is only a minor point that they wanted her to suffer somewhere else not in front of kriya, but come one think of all the entertainment we will have seeing Sakthi have his way with his new shiny favorite toy. Oh and best of all Kesar is free. We wanted this, we got it, so suck it up and watch the show.

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dhakarn

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Posted: 14 years ago

#35

Originally posted by: Dyehard

Yes indeed all these tracks have been repeatedly asked but what about the real core narrative that the story was projecting from its very inception?

What about overthrowing the system of female subjugation?
- How could this be achieved if the audience always hates the Protagonist for being too powerful or too vociferous? How many truly supported Pratigya and her mission? How many in this forum gave her the support that krishna used to give her? Or do we remember people only interested in her to the extent that she is dutiful to krishna and openly and constantly declares her loyalties for him. How many people on this forum praised Pratigya for her courage and her strength and her indomitable spirit.
Do the words head strong, arrogant, cold, tactless, senseless, teacher, bhashanwali, proffs daughter, bad wife, disloyal, hypocrite sound familiar to you?

The transformation of Krishna Singh.
But was this forum ready for a real transformation? Not genteel manners but a change of core values. The same way P has learnt that an overt regard for respectabilty is not necessarily a very good thing, especially when it goes unsupported by strong personal convictions and self-belief. She has moved away from her middle-class genteelness to a more robust attitude to the core values of good and bad inside human beings.
Similarly, Krishna who was bound by gratitude, loyalty and love to his own family values had to recognize the inherent rot within the system and reject those values and make a man of himself. How is this possible if the audience refuses to see beyond the Father-son nok-jhonk? When SS is growing more and more irritable due to loss of power when there was a growing distance between their values, do you remember so many voices asking for a renewed bond between them? Just because a thing was sweet to begin with, are we not mature enough to accept changing circumstances? After all what is a story if not changing circumstances?

What about evil-doers being punished?
SS, Thakurain, KN are all ruthless murderers. we all know this. But can you remember how many people loved them, and continued to support them and say that they were good only because they were funny? Is their no difference between goodness and entertainment value? Do you remember how many people hoped that Pratigya would be taken down a notch or two by these very people? How anything could be forgiven because the 'actors' were more popular?
Now why are we sad if those people have been shown to win and succeed?

DhakDhak,
you know don't you that I am not asking you these questions personally by just airing my thoughts on your thread because there is an interesting discussion going on here? 😃

completely agree with u Dye👏👏👏👏👏 was waiting for ur post on the matter😊

ofcourse i know Dye, its just that i decided to remind them of the surface drama which will help the story move forward and not remind them of the foundation they laid before us.............because they seem to have given it a back seat at the moment(i hope i am wrong)............i think u will agree with me that krishna's transformation does not mean stripping him of his manhood and beliefs............he is a man who does what he sees is right...........and he won't care if the world turns upside down.........but we saw a ghost of his character yesterday or is it a corpse

even i enjoyed SS-K rants, hoped for K-P lovey dovey scenes, wanted KTC to wander around the town just for the fun of it, hated aman for his double face and his audacity to insult krishna as if he is the only good and great human being who knows law and life, wanted P to discard her views on right and wrong for atleast once to support her husband in front of the world(ie try to understand his principle of living life), wanted KN to have a 2nd wife who will wreck TN and give amma a run for her money just for the fun of it-------------------but never wanted this at the cost of ruining the values this drama was trying to project and also the brilliant characters the writers have given us(i would say each and every character in this serial is good, in depth and very much thought out character)..............yes there were many posts in the forum demanding immediate withdrawal of mathurs and sucksenas barring komarsh bec they were 'boring ' ................but i always thought the CVs r intelligent enough to know the difference between criticism and bashing-ur-least-fav-character-for-the-fun-of-it kind of attitude..........never thought they would take our intentions wrongly...........

i for have been repeatedly posting here not to withdraw mathurs and aman and wanted arushi to marry aman(just talking about the surface story) as this track would surely mean the characters r maintaining their characteristics , all those who r in the process of change not affected, even if affected either positively or negatively that would blend with the narrative and also the moral depth this show was projecting.........but this current track destroys everything.............the concept of the show, the flawless characters (which have lost their identity and now merely is hanging in mid air as smoke), the CHANGE they assured us they would bring to the society(this show had and only this show has such a potential)....................everything destroyed in one jiffy....................😭

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dhakarn

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Posted: 14 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: soapbubble
Definintely the actors can't be blamed. It is the CVs who decided, CVs who chose this feedback from all the other feedback they got to implement these changes.

Partly also the fans who cribbed and cribbed and cribbed about side characters like the Mathurs and Saxenas. These people were there to be a foil, a background to the story and even if they were boring or irritating they had a purpose to serve - they had to provide spaces, help pace out the main storyline.
But did the fans understand this? No. They demanded Kriya everyday, they crisiticed Pratigya incessantly, critised her moral stands and values, sneered at her Bhashans, said she was TOO STRONG, they put the Thakurs above everything else, they defended SS, Amma and KN in spite of their bad values - so the CVs have decided that the audience does not apprecitate good values, goodness, the need to do the right thing. So they are now bent upon giving us crude jethani-devrani masala.

I'm not blaming fans entirely - it is finally the CVs decision to choose from the range of feedback they get and they've chosen to listen to the WORST advice of all that people have been saying. But at least a small percetage of blame goes to fans who are partially responsible for making CVs feel that we were simply not getting what they were trying to say and that we deserve no more than this.
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yes , the fans wanted full time kriya , thakurs and less of sucksenas and mathurs..............and sure, the CVs r granting us our wish.................😭 but in a way that will strip this wonderful drama of its principles, values and foundation............😭 i guess we must enjoy now.........its thakurs-thakurs-and more thakurs with kriya too , but devoid of their characteristics.........bec for KN-A marriage to take place castration of all main characters was necessary...........😲😭
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Dyehard

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Posted: 14 years ago

#37

Originally posted by: loveanime

Bullseye. People should stop whining now. This is what they wanted and they got it. 24 hours Takurs. Yipeeeeeeeeeee for us. I still remember when Arushi insulted Krishna the first time he came to her house after beating up angad, the storm that was raised asking her to be punished. So now she has been punished so why are we complaining. They wanted her to suffer she will suffer, oh it is only a minor point that they wanted her to suffer somewhere else not in front of kriya, but come one think of all the entertainment we will have seeing Sakthi have his way with his new shiny favorite toy. Oh and best of all Kesar is free. We wanted this, we got it, so suck it up and watch the show.

However bitter this is the truth. The majority of viewers acted as if any action that took place outside of the Thakur niwas was intolerable. BUT EVERY STORY NEEDS A CONTEXT!!! The Mathurs and the Saxenas provide that context. It doesn't matter if certain characters are less likable, it is their ROLE to provide a contrast!!! That is what makes the story move forward.
But a 24 hour narebazi of "down with Mathurs, down with AA, down with saxenas, down with Aarushi" has pushed the judgmentless CVs into bringing ALL the action within the crude confines of the Thakur niwas.
Till such time as viewer demand to see SS, Amma, Shakti continuing in the SAME way, they could never show a track of their come-comeuppance or Krishna's moving out and becoming an independent man.
How ever bad the Thakurs were, people behaved that there was no story if they did not come in every day doing exactly what the were doing for 11 months!
So now the story is deadlocked so that all the Thakurs are beyond the power of any transforming influence and Kriya too weak to make any attempt to set right the circumstances.
Now people can enjoy a comfortable Saas-bahu within the confines of a single family and set. Just like any other serial, except in this household half the members are murderers!
But if a character has funny lines and the other really convincing at molestation/abuse scenes, what does it matter if he is a murderer right?

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