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Posted: 15 years ago
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nikita , gaurimisha, Tanya

Tanya first of all I am not at all angry ........Thats just not my temperament in an argument . Rather as argument gets tougher and I remain alone , I start feeling more and more amused .......and hence the jhampu and pampu .

Nikita as u said , to each his own . I as a viewer dont expect anything from shravni . She is being very nice as the other woman . She totally understands the Archna Manav scenario , is not throwing tantrums, Sometimes thinks of Sachin who came so briefly in her life, bothers about the baby , is good to everyone in D household ..........What more shud be expected of her ? I feel as a character she is doing just fine . About talking to Girish on Manavs behalf ........Frankly , Shravni is very young and Girish is a strict man who is not exactly the listening tiype. I saw the episode yesterday here in US where he slaps her hard and drags her home on listening about pregnancy , how he yells at Manav and asks him if he will marry Shravni . He had even Fired Shravni when she had gone to abort baby and told Manav to SHUT UP on both counts when he had tried to intervene . He has been seen firing Shravni even before marraige when she insisted on the marraige and took decision that ok if u marry this SAchin guy , it will be on MY terms , I will see to it that he becomes seperate . See how he dragged Shravni with a firm Shravni CHALO when Sachin got drunk , uncaring for the fact that she wanted to stay .
When Shravni tried to abort baby Girish threatened to break all relations with her if she pulled a stunt like that ........we see her cringing in fear before him .

Nothing proves that Girish listens to Shravni . He is a very practical , strict man and his stand is clear .........He is bugged that his daughter got pregnant and only allowed her to go ahead with this pregnancy coz everything will be on HIS TERMS ...........like the marraige with Manav , the engagement , this and that . He is the type who once he decides a thing , he keeps decision making power only in his hands .

So Shravni 'understanding ' Manav and sensitively pleading these small small cases to her hot headed strict Dad is rather unnnatural to me as she seems to be a young gal relieved to even get the permission to keep the baby in the first place and she knows exactly where to draw the line and not PUSH IT .

Gaurimisha , yes perhaps ur right it does appear as if dignity isnt ever the thing that matters to Archna . See how she went to Manjus house to get Manju back for her brothers sake inspite of saying in an earlier episode that she will never talk to Manju for LIFE . We dont see her even remembering those words and welcoming Manju on the day she goes home to escape Manavs engagement ordeal .
WHen dignity doesnt matter to a character it becomes more and more undignified and fast loses its credibility . Like Archnas fight with Manju holds no value ......her anger holds no value , the abuse given to her by Savita holds no value , her fight with chawl women hold no value as next day she is requesting them to come to same house for function........Archna s firm words r only to sensationlize the episodes , they lack credibility . Like Main Vahini ko kabhi maaf nahi karoongi .........She is saying To Manju , Acha hua tum ghar aayi , this is ur house ........no remembrance of the fact that she had vowed never to speak to Manju ever again .

And I dont like characters who lack credibility . They go on doing anything and everything for causes and never take a stand ,never have a definete principle ,never have a certain way of behaving that distinguishes them , a dignity or aura about them , they dont command our RESPECT . Even Manju told Archna that Abuse is not just physical , it is mental too , what u suffered indeed was abuse but Archna had no comprehension of that term . Such insipid characters bore me after a certain point [ sorry Tanya] as they become predicatable and uninteresting . They turn out to be classic losers who can neither protect themselves nor their loved ones as they go on doing foolish sacrifices . Archanas decision to give up education and work like a Kaamwaali in the house , or to sell ALL her jewellery [ her only assets] to give her brother money to buy yet another flat is hardly laudable .She even influenced her sisters to do same and become financially stripped . And thers nothing great about wanting to be a LOSER all the time in life . In love life , in financial life , in career .........I wanna be a loser is her goal less state and it bugs the hell out of me as a woman .



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Posted: 15 years ago
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@koolsadhu:Whatever u said is true but the problem is Archana doesnt think herself as a loser,she doesnt define being loser as wht u said.
As viewers,we are entitled to either criticize or love them and in both ways,the CRs achieve their goal as they are able to get some feeling out of us.
As a woman,I wish Archu had a father like Girishji,who wud hav shown her to b more practical.But as a viewer I hav realised this is only wishful thinking on my part,Archu will remain who she is and wht she has been portrayed all along and somewhere I have started to understand and look at the situations from the character's POV.
The same applies for Manav but as Nikita said the sindoor and engagement were nt justified and whtever he did was wrong,so I'm angry at him but I do understand his helplessness and pity him.
Two losers helplessly in love ...but all along we all know it's their selfless,caring nature and goodness which makes them such and somewhere I love them for this very reason
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Right now things are very bad for Archana but I do believe that her husband is still in love with her . How much ? That remains to be seen .
If Manav decides that he will not let her go then thngs would be difficult for Shravani . But then ,I am sorry , she messed up when she had unsafe premarital sex . How come she was not a bachi then...She took that decision and then fought to keep her baby another very bold decision as she comes from a country where it is still difficult to have a child out of wedlock.
Bottom line is that it will not be Manav who will mess up her life if he says NO ( he may not , at least now it looks as if he will go ahead with the wedding ) . She is the one who messed it herself by being an irresponsible person and having unsafe premarital sex .
Her life should be a good example to girls that if they do something like that they beetter understand that they are toally on their own . It is their decision , they are the ones who will be carrying the baby and they better think before doing something like that .
Sachin was not the type who would force himself , Shravani too was stupid .
When you make a mistake ...you should take responsibility of that mistake .I know Manav was running all over the place trying to conince her that he will marry her ....but as I said before the mistake ( baby ) was Shravani's , not his ...
Now his situation is different . He is falling back in love with his wife .If his feelings get any more stronger than they already are then Shravani will end up being a person whp destroyed another person's happiness only because she made a mistake ..
That does not sounds fair . No matter how much angry I a mwith Manav ...it does not sounds that he is getting a fair deal here .
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Posted: 15 years ago
#84
Wow.. Such healthy discussions.... Ummm... But i think that Shravani is not Doodh Ki dhooli at all.. She committed mistake and is turning selfish to justify that mistake..

Btw, totally agreed with commentator that such incidents have brought ArMan more closer..

Tanya di, i said naa that they will come more closer and you will be disappointed..😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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u know this seems to be the norm now with these serials, even neetu on karol baugh, got herself pregnant, and she didnt even know the guys last name, for crying out loud. now she is fighting a battle with her older sister cuz she thinks her sister is ruining her life and doesnt want her to get married to the guy who is a criminal. what is it with these serials, they all head in the same direction at some point and time.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Really , that sounds aweful . Why are these writers writing such stupid characters for girls ...

As for my stand ...this is how it goes . Now Manav knows tha his wife loves him unconditionaly and will not be moving on in life without him. If he loves her too ( I a mstill not sure how much he does, most definitely not as much compared to Archana ) then I wan tto watch him carefully .
If even after knowing this he goes to Shravani and says , everything is over between me and my wife , then I will loose respect for this man even more . To me he will be a liar and I will not blame Shravani then so much
But if he says to Shravani that I will stand by my promise but not deny his love and feelings for Archana ( like on the day of engaement he made it clear that he was not a happy person ) , then I will call him a weak person who has thought of everyone in his life but Archana , but I will not call him a bad person . Just someone who was very unfair to that one woman who loved him ....and was also unfair to himself ....
And then I will blame Shravni for knowingly making 2 p good peole pay for her mistakes .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Garurimisha

their goodness and caring nature make them lovable to u . I guess each has his POV and i respect yours and fully understand what ur trying to say .

For me ....when 'goodness' becomes weakness , when goodness starts increasing evil around u , it ceases to fascinate me . Savitas abuse increased so much partly due to archnas fault that she took it . Varsha wud have nipped it in the bud . I can even understand goodness allowing archu to take SOMe of that abuse initially ..........but later , when she became aware of that persons abusive tendencies , she shud have tried to stop it . Getting water thrown on ur face , getting pushed around physically , getting aukat ' thrown so crudely on the face ..........somehow I cannot clap that goodness as a viewer .

Some things of Archna bothered me a lot .

Her decision to give up that valuable chance at educaion that she got in her life that her mother had so rightly guided her to

Her decision to give up a job that Satish had given her where luck had played a factor as she is higly underqualified

Her decision to sell her jewllery and influence her sisters to do so too and become a bhikaari to give it to her brother for a flat .........not caring that her mom wud have to make jewellry for Varsha all over again for marraige .......a difficult thing for middle class people as finances r limited . Vinod was not in an emergency .The flat was a voluntary decision . Had he been in a hospital , I wud understand . Moral of the story .......Archana not only herself become a bhikaari , she even taught her sisters to become bhikaaris and filled the coffers of her brother and strrengthened her evil sister in law

I see goodness spreading evil in these serials and hence I as a viewer remain unmoved by it . What is so charming about evil flourishing ?Nothing . That day when Sulochna told archna that she forgave Ajit we see her simply keeping quiet ......not saying NO or even asking her mom in private who r u to forgive him or exonerate him , its really NOT ur decision to make ! The Deshmukhs will decide that as they lost a son . She smiles and accepts any nonsense dumbly is the scenario with the ooooaaaaaaaaa music in the background .

This serial used to be different . But i guess if I watch it as the story of two unfortunate losers whom only Bappa protects , as they themselves have neither the acumen nor the strength to protect themselves , I guess ill be able to tolerate this serial for some more months .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Kool, as i said earlier TOO MUCH GOODNESS IS INJURIOUS TO YOUR LIFE.. thats exactly whats happening with both of them.

But i guess our indian public like to see such things only.. they dont like to see lead in strong role.... Huh..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Kool is right . Archana's goodness is becoming a musibat for her .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I think Archana will go ahead and file complaint against Ajit when he returns to India.She just kept quite infront of her Aai,she hasnt forgiven Ajit yet.
I hope the CRs add layers to both manav n Archu's characters and show them developing into two sensible and practical human beings with time.I distinctly remember how they both were at the begining hardly talkin,always silent and now Archu defied her Aai's wishes for her love and Manav is defyin all morals for his responsibilites.I believe going forward,incidents will bring forward the strength of their characters...and Kool,I hope this will happen in the next few months when u still will b watching the show.
If Archana n Manav remain as big losers as they r now,I dont think my love for their goodness will help me sail through all their cries ....sometime or the other they have to break their mould and I'm trying to have patience to see that day😊

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