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Tanyaz thumbnail
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Posted: 15 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: Akashspartan

@Tanyaz,

For once meri aankhen bhar aayi how come Tanyaji has started to support Manav.😭
But later on when i started reading the rest of the post, i started laughing again.😆
Here come's the Tanya who hates Manav to the core.😊

I don't hate him to the core but yes I am very very angry with him . Kool is right . He was jumping all over the place to help Shravani . He does nothing like that for Archana these days . Before he used to , not anymore .
But yes, I do admire Archana . I was getting angry with her before but it is sort of becoming clear to me as to wha t she wants . She just wants to give Manav happiness . And if she only has 2 months to do this , she will make the best of this oppurtunity .
And then go away forever .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@koolsadhu:And isnt Archu constantly going and creating upheavals in Manavs heart by constantly throwing herself like this and saying I do love u still inspite of him telling her lets forget the past ? For her its ok to even stay as a second wife it seems .........for that one corner in Manavs heart she has decided to do away with her dignity even ! This too is a kind of weird selfishness only Tanya .

I disagree.She was only facing a weak emotional moment n letting him know the truth.After this I hope Manav will not try to do any stupid kinda of matchmaking for Archu...takin up his responsibility for her seriously...her confessions closed this door for Manav.
Archu didnt even know tht she's was creating upheavals in Manav's heart...she was just explainin to him her actions...she believes manav has moved ahead...esp after the sindoor n engagement ceremony.
She knows very well she's going to leave,bcoz thts wht Manav wants...she's too good to think ill of others or create trouble for them.But the fact remains,she loves Manav...whtever is right might not b easy to accept...you tend to give in to your heart at times....esp when manav comes and helps her with cleaning dishes ...reminding of old ways,she cudnt control herself n she cries.But atleast she's honest n clear abt her feelings now...this will clear both the sides of any misunderstandings...atleast now Manav knows n wont believe his aai as he previously did abt satish n archu.
Let the three months pass,Archu will never become 2nd wife to Manav,expressing feelings is different and losin dignity is another.
In fact,she'll b the one to remind manav abt his engagement n commitment to shravani...bcoz she knows thts the right thing to do as far as her dignity is concerned ,even tho she 'll lose Manav in the process.

Her love for Manav is unconditional and she can go to any extent to protect him...as she previously used to do for her aai.
Archu is one char whose actions r driven out of love for some one else and she's very capable of facing/tolerating any nonsense if it has to be for this special someone's sake...I believe thts the strength of her character..she's a strong lady in her own way.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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main sharavani ke peeche nahi pari hun!! i was just joking! there r some things i dont like about shravani. like the path she has taken to give birth to her child and a father for him/her. she could have chosen another path. but i dont think she is selfish. she is a mother. every mother in this world is selfish about their child. if shravani was not selfish about her child, i wud have hated her (i dont hate her right now) i dont like a few things in shravani, just like i dont like a few things in manav or archana. no one is perfect!!

about archu going close to manav. in my opinion she just poured out her feelings to her friend(manav). she didnt tell him her feelings as a lover or as a wife. she just needed to talk with someone and manav is her best friend who fully understands her. remember what she said to manav when they hugged the first time. manav is her only friend and she knows she cant say anything to her family or his family. she needs to stay strong but no one can remain that strong in such situation and thats why archu broke down in front of manav. i m glad they had this talk.one of their main mistake was not to communicate with each other directly. i liked that they both talked about their feelings directly.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#64
gaurimisha

I am not saying that on a female level archu plans this . I know very well she was having a weak moment . But how many ? Falling on knees in the garage , telling at home that i love u give me a corner , watching sindoor scene and yet allowing Manav to fill sindoor in her maang in temple , then right after engagement putting head on him and saying no i can never forget you when the man is bluntly telling her THIS IS THE WAY ITS GONNA BE ?

My dear theres nothing dignified about this , nothing strong about this and nothing romantic about this either . Yes Im calling Manav a lallu for being wishy washy but Archu is wayyyyyyy worse than him in my opinion . At least he has STUCK to his words .........Everything is over , dont have hope . Like a parrot he keeps on saying the same thing and hasnt diverted from it . But Archu ? telling Varsha one thing , showing Manav another . Telling Shravni one thing , then telling Manav another .

If this was a bitchy ploy by a vamp to get her man , I wud agree with tanya that yes it works . But The problem is i see her aas pathetic and losing her dignity , nothing more . Unconditional love does not require such loss of dignity . The way she blasted chawl women is unconditonal love yes , where she wont bear Manavs name being sullied . But constantly telling him I cant forget u I cant forget u ..........woman where is ur self respect , the man seems more in control of his emotions than u ! Cmon , get a grip and make us females watching u proud !
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Posted: 15 years ago
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For Archana self respect and saying sorry was never such a big thing .
This person is not perfect . She is the kind of a girl who , if she loves someone special , she will go all out to do anything for them . Before it was her mum . Just to keep peace for her mum she was even apologising to rasika at Ajit's wedding , only so that there would be peace . her logic is ' fine blame me but don't trouble the person I love 'I know it is the classic bakri case but that's how she always has been ...
before it was momma ...now it is manav and that too perhaps 10 times more ..
She will do any thing for him .Her self respect is never going to come in the way if she has to show him lovve . She is with him for 2 months as his proper wedded wife , she will do whatever she can to make this time special ....without imposing herself too hard on him...
Honestly Kool, this girl used to always say sorry to just dilute a problem....she is not Varsha . When it comes to that someone special, self respect is not such a big issue ..
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Posted: 15 years ago
#66
Tanya , see her spirit when she went to question Manav about the signing of the divorce papers how she fulng them in the air and how she spoke to him .

Where has that spirit gone ?

And how she categorically said NO to Sulochna and went to Sachins engagement

again how she fought with manju over the complaint

The bangle seller

Tanya they destroyed Archnas character . They took her spirit away . What nonsense they r showing in the name of 'unconditional love ' is pathetic . At least u will not fall for it .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I think I am falling for it ...😆
Ok hit me with something , I am ready for it ..... shoe, hanger , your daughter's lego brick , whatever you have in your hand ...😆
Look Kool , don't worry . Just wait and see, I think Archana is going to be told off by Shravani in a very very bad way for trying to get close to manav ...probably in the next couple of days aonly . Maybe even over the issue of helping out with his dad ..
And I a msure Manav wil ljust look the other way trying to hide that one tear in his eye , his engagement ring shining brightly on his finger ....
Archu loves him a lot more than he loves her ..I know that . Archu goes foolish in love ....first for mommy and now for this man ....
And kool ,I don't think she is going that out of the way running after him. He came himself in the kitchen and said , It's hurting me bad too...it's only when he told her that she should move on with someone else ..she corrected him that she has no such plans .
She did not try to dance with him today or trying to seduce him. In fact she is acting normal now ...
The only time when I will draw the line is if she still confesses her love to him after he actually marries Shravani . Now that would be wrong , right now it's Ok.
Edited by Tanyaz - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@koolsadhu:
Okay, I read all these posts at one go today.
Koolsadhu, I agree with all your defenses about Shravani.
I feel really bad for the girl. I like the fact that she is making an effort to accept her new relationship and appreciates Manav's decency and nature (who wouldn't?) and as I had said before, if situations were different, I would even have been interested in seeing how this plot develops... Shravani falling in love with the man who saves her honour and gives her child (her 'mistake') a father's love... it would have been very touching... in fact with the concern Manav is pouring out for the baby it would not be unrealistic to expect that Shravani will fall in love with Manav very soon.
But as I said situations are different. And here I'm not talking about the fact that I want to see ArMan together... there are other issues.
the simple thing is that Shravani KNOWS that Manav is not happy, he is in love with someone else, and the woman loves him back, he is killing himself by getting married to her.... and that she and she alone has the power to stop it... coz Manav is right now trying his best to fulfill his 'responsibility' and is too selfless to stand up for his own happiness. Yet she is going ahead with the marriage.
Okay I accept your argument that she has become selfish for the baby. But selfish to the extent that you become insensitive? Her father pressurized Manav for sindoor filling ceremony and give 'proof' of commitment (he didn't suggest about sindoor but he did say I want proof of your commitment to my daughter.. and then didn't protest when savita asked Manav to put sindoor) , then again for engagement... at this point seeing that situations are clearly not easy for Manav... shouldn't she have a basic level of sensitivity for her to-be husband... in her heart she says that she is so lucky to have a husband like Manav... in front of Manav she says she trusts him, then why couldn't she say in front of her Dad that he is my to-be husband and I trust him to stand by his word.. he has supported me till here, I have faith that he will stand by me in future as well.... if she was bold enough to make decisions like child-bearing, abortion, or asking for gurudakshina on her own, she could have done it too.. couldn't she...
in fact I would have myself felt sorry for her thinking she is slowly falling for Manav and trusts him and cares for him whereas he is marrying out of compromise.. but the current scenario doesn't make me feel sorry for her.
Everyone criticized Manav for not being sensitive and getting engaged to Shravani in front of Archana.. I myself said it was an extreme step, who knows maybe Archana could have committed suicide. This same insensitivity I see from Shravani's side- knowing that your to-be husband isn't happy, loves someone else, is dying slowly, and is getting married only for the sake of your honour and your baby (coz the class that the Deshmukh family belongs to... I doubt if any harm will come to the Deshmukhs or late Sachin's reputation.. people point fingers at the girl in these affairs)... and is even bending forwards and backwards trying to keep your Dad happy for the same... putting sindoor in your maang, getting engaged-all before divorce... see how chawl people spoke about Manav bcoz of that... can't Shravani just see and be a bit human at least by asking her father not to put pressure on Manav any more? The guy that he is, he succumbs and compromises for others sake all the time, so should she let her future husband do this all the time to keep her future secure and her father satisfied? Just like I had said that Archana could have committed suicide due to the sindoor episode, I say that if situations don't change for Manav- all this pressure piling up on him and him fighting against his own guilt and the repression of his own feelings for Archana- THIS GUY WILL EITHER GO INTO CLINICAL DEPRESSION, OR HAVE A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN OR MAY EVEN COMMIT SUICIDE IF UNABLE TO HANDLE ALL THIS- I am not saying Manav is not responsible for this condition, he is, but what I am trying to point is that
1. Shravani is the only person aware of all these three things (all this pressure piling up on him and him fighting against his own guilt and the repression of his own feelings for Archana)
2. She is aware of the fact that she is the only person who knows of all this in the family (another one is Tarun- but be did what he could do from his side)
3. she chooses to IGNORE it even though she knows he is doing it all for HER sake since he has given her his commitment.
She is fair in making attempts for her marriage, but then why does she speak out about Sachin in front of everyone suddenly all the time- Sachin liked this and that, especially when they are all in a happy mood, thus showing that 'much as I want I really can't forget my Sachu'. Lets go back to what I had said in the beginning about circumstances being different and Shravani and Manav being the only two in picture with no Archana- wouldn't Manav have felt sad thinking that in a few days he is going to marry this girl who is still besotted by Sachin so much that she doesn't even mind saying it loudly in public, in front of her future husband, without thinking how he would feel. That is why wrote about it in my first post in this topic.
Sorry, much as I try to be fair to the character, I can't help feeling frustrated coz of these very reasons. And a very important reason- that of impressions as a viewer-I have seen enough of Manav's or Archana's character and actions in the last few months that I know that they are foolish, dumb people who often make mistakes but are nevertheless selfless, caring, sacrificing and extremely protective towards family and also sensitive. It is on this basis, that I had said that I am angry with Manav for being insensitive in the sindoor filling ceremony, but I can't hate him for that, rather I would prefer that he feels sorry for it and terribly guilty and apologizes to Archana in front of everybody. Why: coz it was the first time in the last few months that I was genuinely angry with him over something.
But it is not so in the case of Shravani- her character has come into strong focus only since the pregnancy track came up- little over a month- before that she was a side character making an appearance once in a week- and what impression have I got of her in this one month- that she is insensitive to the person who is doing so much for her.
All this is solely my POV. I don't expect everyone to agree or disagree, coz its not just ArMan, but I guess many factors that combined together are resulting in this backlash against a positive character.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I agree Nicki . Every single word of what you have said . I know lots of people here are finding it strange that I have defended manav . I am still angry with him but that does not excuse Shravani of the way she is behaving .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Nicki
I think u have answered your own question .
Selfish to the point of being insensitive ?
Yes . Selfishness does make you insensitive like never before .
Look at everyone doing their own selfish acts in this serial .
Savita : Insensitive to Manav's happiness coz her selfish goal is bringing Shravni in the house instead of middle class Archu and becoming rich
Girish : Practical and rational but insensitive to the fact that Manavs divorce hasnt come thru and demands commitment from Manav to his daughter ...........his only selfishness in life
Sulochna : Loves Archu but is insensitive to her feelings on Manjus matter[ even Varsha Vaishali's feelings ] and welcomes Manju in house and decides to let go of Ajit matter coz selfishly she wants her sons marraige to be intact , her granddaughter with her , her own house happiness intact inspite of another house [ Deshmukhs ] being totally unhappy
Damodar : Insensitive to all in his family when focussed on his selfish goal ..........getting Archana back in the house . He is rooting for Archana and is determined to win . Has he bothered about Savita , shravani or what Girish will think ? Nope . For that matter not even bothered about the abuse Archu will face . Had he been unselfish he wud have said to Archu , go beti all this is not worth taking such blatant shit . You go focus on education and be happy . But Damodar , although sad at her abuse ignores it coz he wants Archu there and so he wants her there for these 3 months.
So u see Nikita..........selfishness does make a person insensitive . In Shravanis case , she ignores ARman being in love coz she was assured by the main person that he will do everything to see her and her babys future is happy and secure . The fact that ARMAN r deeply in love isnt exactly news to her . Why Tarun , she knew it much before , even Sachin wud tell her about their love . But now from her POV , steps r being taken for practical purposes and these things simply have to be ignored . Ok Manav isnt in love with her but at least he has prioritised her above his love Archu ?That itself is a great step number one . And the second step , that he will totally forget Archu and fall gradually in love with her too will follow one day . It will merely take some time , is her approach .
Is it so wrong ?Think .

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