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Posted: 19 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: autmother

HI,


I dont live in India and have started seeiing this program for last 2 months. I am totally unbiased,but with my musical training and being a singer this is my 2 cents worth of opinion.


My choices for the final 3


1. Hemachandra is the best vocalist, well trained, very disciplined, respectful, down to earth. There is no doubt that he will be very successful whether he wins or not. Bollywood has not been verykind to South INdian actors or singers. It is only after Rahman came that likes of Hariharan, Kavita krishnamurthy, shankar mahadevan even were noticed. That is always an issue with the North. So I think Hemachandra will have to work extra hard to prove himself. But in South he will be famous.


Hemachandra,if you are reading, get some Hindiand Urdu exact pronouciation classes to keep you ahead in the game and please please go approach ARR and he is known to discover and give chance to new talent.


2. Himani: excellent singer, with a kind on OOMPH in her voice. Will suit most songs except very high notes. She will do well But she needs to watch her arrogance, and needs to be more humble and considerate of others. I noticed that she is very excited when she wins or she is highest but makes faces when not and as a singer she needs to control her emotions since there will be cut throat competition in the real world.


3. Nihira. has a conventional bollywood singer voice, excellent voice and training and range. Needs a good mentor to work with Bollywood bigwigs and dirty politics and some confidence and OOMph to her voice. SHe feels similar to Shreya Goshal except Shreya has a little naughtiness in her voice which is sweet to hear,


Now coming to our existing finalists, the less I say about Debojit the better. He has a pleasant voice, but you can find voices like his everywhere. he has been playing the audience with melodrama about his life, how hard he worked and his wife crying for everything. it is annoying. But I bet he will not get many chances to sing after the contest. Mark my words. the same people who voted for emotional or regional feelings will refuse to buy his audio cassete. He is good for orchestras, weddings etc. He has no range at all in his singing.


Coming to Vinit, it is really unfortunate that a good talent like him is getting carried away and hyped by HImesh and the public. He needs lot more maturing before he can become a singer. Trust me, becoming a singer takes a lot more than good voice. He is the kind of kid who will get carried away with all the accolades and forget what his passion is.


I dont see a real passion in Vineet for singing. It is like he is putting up a show and trying to please people. For God sake, 17 year old talking about love and his stupid idiotic mentor encouraging that, instead of focusing on singing and his career. He does sing well, but definitely cannot hit high notes or sing melodiously. Again absolutely no originality in his voice. He is being hyped as the yourngest contestant and once that novelty wears off when he is 23 or 24 no one is going to care about him,


So this is my opinion. No offence to anyone and please comment intelligently not dirty or silly stuff.


You must be a bathroom singer (may be family room singer) & i doubt about your music lessons coz your analysis doesn't talk about music at all but just their (singers) behavior.
if yo think Himani is better than Nihira.. than, i am afraid that, forget music lesson you don't have a basic ear music so far.....
& don't talk about Indian regionalism if you don't think you are Indian.....
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Posted: 19 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: arch1209

Hi,
I quite agree with your review auto mother.
The problem with most people on this forum is that everyone has become cynical and the moment you say anything about a person they take it personally. and they convert the entire thing into a region issue.

By the way my personal opinion is that Hema and Nihira are by far superior singers than Himani, Vineet and Debojit.
The problem with most south indian singers is that when they sing the hindi words are not very clear and that's why they lose - this is my personal assessment and since most of them are based in Madras or Bangalore they tend to lose out on good songs - i too agree that Hema should take diction classes but there's no doubt that he will definitely rock and become a very popular singer. I think what makes him more likeable is the fact that he's very down to earth and genuine and that's why we all like him. Same goes for Nihira too - i just heard the hare rama hare krishna song she sung - i think that if her talent is properly tapped she too can sing in a lot of variations. i guess she should become more experimental and not just stick to sweet good songs.
As far as Debojit is concerned - i think he still has a long way to go. sometimes he's very good but then sometimes he's awful. Moreover he should come forward by his talent and not by playing with people's emotions. i guess with good training he too can do very well.
Vineet - I think his voice is not yet matured but he is a good singer. he should concentrate on singing rather than stupid antics. but i guess this guy though better than debojit will lose coz of HR and his stupidity.

I totally agree and truly this thread is unbiased however there are a handful who are pretty much adamant in making it biased and the whole thing starts all over again. I believe some to be Debojit fans also. Can't believe someone actually asked "are you South Indian".. ppl can't you understand we are all INDIANS.. needless to say we may not be in India .. that also automatically does not make us Americans or British or Australians...... either indian born confused desis or foreign born confused desis

on a lighter note .. since i happen to be in hong kong.. would not want to say i am Chinese but of Indian origin 😆 .. i am indian regardless of where i stay of where i was born...

I do think Debojit is a good singer but not so consistent and he needs more training as well. He is at such a vulnerable age that he needs the win much more than Vinit at this stage. He has struggled really hard in Mumbai and I believe he does deserve a break. Vinit on the other hand is still very young and though again a good singer he has the time to perfect his skills even further by training under a professional. His voice also needs to be a lil more matured.

Hemu is an excellent singer has a good voice but definitely has an accent problem which he can improve by taking Hindi / Urdu lessons.

So my opinion here .. am not a professional or a singer or a musician..

Edited by Sima Samuel - 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Zinga, we are here to express opinion about Sa RE Ga ma pa not my singing abilities. By the way you really havent heard me sing, so please dont make offensive comments.
Daiz, like I said please comment something intelligently.

Coming to Kumar GAurav, you dont have your facts right. Infact I know Shankar's family here in US and I know the facts. He had to learn Urdu and Hindi classes to learn diction because people like you can accept him.
Same goes for Hariharan.
It is not about south indian singers alone, even people like Sadhna Sargam, Sukhvinder were struggling trying to get people to listen to them, but it was ARR who exploited their talents. Typically Bollywood does not exploit talent or encourage new comers period, but coming from South it is even hard, that is what I am conveying.
You can see Shreya Goshal, Udit Narayan singing in south indian movies and of course some sounded not so great with the diction initially, but people have accepted them and Rahman infact has a language coach with them and teaches them right pronounciation. Can you give me some other Music directors who would do the same. Some of their best songs have been in TAmil. So dismissing a singer because of his pronounciation is ridiculous.

I joined this forum thinking there will be real discussion about the singing abilities , but after seeing some of the mails I am not surprised with the voting that has happened so far with good singers like NIhira, Hema and Himani gone.
So sorry for future generation in regards to Indian music appreciation.
Thanks
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Posted: 19 years ago
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I like your top 3 list. Hemu-Himani-Nihira are my favorite (not in a particular order) plus Sharib, although I didn't hear much of him since I haven't been seeing the show from the beginning, but whatever I heard amazed me.

Unfortunately none of them are in the contest anymore. Of the two left, I prefer Debojit over Vinit. They both need to work hard in their music careers, but Vinit also needs to grow up and show some maturity before he can be appreciated.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: autmother

Zinga, we are here to express opinion about Sa RE Ga ma pa not my singing abilities. By the way you really havent heard me sing, so please dont make offensive comments.
Daiz, like I said please comment something intelligently.

Coming to Kumar GAurav, you dont have your facts right. Infact I know Shankar's family here in US and I know the facts. He had to learn Urdu and Hindi classes to learn diction because people like you can accept him.
Same goes for Hariharan.
It is not about south indian singers alone, even people like Sadhna Sargam, Sukhvinder were struggling trying to get people to listen to them, but it was ARR who exploited their talents. Typically Bollywood does not exploit talent or encourage new comers period, but coming from South it is even hard, that is what I am conveying.
You can see Shreya Goshal, Udit Narayan singing in south indian movies and of course some sounded not so great with the diction initially, but people have accepted them and Rahman infact has a language coach with them and teaches them right pronounciation. Can you give me some other Music directors who would do the same. Some of their best songs have been in TAmil. So dismissing a singer because of his pronounciation is ridiculous.

I joined this forum thinking there will be real discussion about the singing abilities , but after seeing some of the mails I am not surprised with the voting that has happened so far with good singers like NIhira, Hema and Himani gone.
So sorry for future generation in regards to Indian music appreciation.
Thanks

Absolutely Right....I have the same feeling about debo. But people here are supporting him so madly because of his whole drama(my mom is dead etc). But I believe the winner should be Hem.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: autmother


Coming to Kumar GAurav, you dont have your facts right. Infact I know Shankar's family here in US and I know the facts. He had to learn Urdu and Hindi classes to learn diction because people like you can accept him.
Same goes for Hariharan.

Sorry autmother, you still have your facts incorrect. Shakar Mahadevan was raised in Chembur, a suburb of Mumbai and he never had any diction problems that a person raised in south would have.. I am from Chembur and I know this for sure. A well known Marathi music director whom Shakar treats as guru is my father's close friend whom I visited recently so I know about Shankar well. Infact, Shankar speaks and sings Marathi songs as well --like any person whose mother tongue is Marathi. Therefore you cannot put him in the same category as other south indian singers.

Same is true with Hariharan. Hariharan was raised in Mumbai and spoke Hindi like a north indian. He loved to sing Ghazals. In fact when Jaidev-ji gave him break in Hindi films, his first song was a Ghazal -- "Ajeeb Saneha Mujhpar Gujar Gaya Yaron" from Gaman. If he has any probelms with diction, Jaidev -ji would not have given a Ghazal. And Hariharan learned Urdu out of sheer passion for the Urdu poetry and ghazals-- not because he needed to improve his diction. Have you heard Hariharan speaking Urdu? He will put a person from Lukhnow to shame.

Edited by salilu - 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
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"my unbiased opinion!!!please comment "

- somebody who starts off like tat=> watch ur wallet. will probably be as biased as they come 😉
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Posted: 19 years ago
#28

Originally posted by: autmother

HI,

I dont live in India and have started seeiing this program for last 2 months. I am totally unbiased,but with my musical training and being a singer this is my 2 cents worth of opinion.

My choices for the final 3

1. Hemachandra is the best vocalist, well trained, very disciplined, respectful, down to earth. There is no doubt that he will be very successful whether he wins or not. Bollywood has not been verykind to South INdian actors or singers. It is only after Rahman came that likes of Hariharan, Kavita krishnamurthy, shankar mahadevan even were noticed. That is always an issue with the North. So I think Hemachandra will have to work extra hard to prove himself. But in South he will be famous.

Hemachandra,if you are reading, get some Hindiand Urdu exact pronouciation classes to keep you ahead in the game and please please go approach ARR and he is known to discover and give chance to new talent.

2. Himani: excellent singer, with a kind on OOMPH in her voice. Will suit most songs except very high notes. She will do well But she needs to watch her arrogance, and needs to be more humble and considerate of others. I noticed that she is very excited when she wins or she is highest but makes faces when not and as a singer she needs to control her emotions since there will be cut throat competition in the real world.

3. Nihira. has a conventional bollywood singer voice, excellent voice and training and range. Needs a good mentor to work with Bollywood bigwigs and dirty politics and some confidence and OOMph to her voice. SHe feels similar to Shreya Goshal except Shreya has a little naughtiness in her voice which is sweet to hear,

Now coming to our existing finalists, the less I say about Debojit the better. He has a pleasant voice, but you can find voices like his everywhere. he has been playing the audience with melodrama about his life, how hard he worked and his wife crying for everything. it is annoying. But I bet he will not get many chances to sing after the contest. Mark my words. the same people who voted for emotional or regional feelings will refuse to buy his audio cassete. He is good for orchestras, weddings etc. He has no range at all in his singing.

Coming to Vinit, it is really unfortunate that a good talent like him is getting carried away and hyped by HImesh and the public. He needs lot more maturing before he can become a singer. Trust me, becoming a singer takes a lot more than good voice. He is the kind of kid who will get carried away with all the accolades and forget what his passion is.

I dont see a real passion in Vineet for singing. It is like he is putting up a show and trying to please people. For God sake, 17 year old talking about love and his stupid idiotic mentor encouraging that, instead of focusing on singing and his career. He does sing well, but definitely cannot hit high notes or sing melodiously. Again absolutely no originality in his voice. He is being hyped as the yourngest contestant and once that novelty wears off when he is 23 or 24 no one is going to care about him,

So this is my opinion. No offence to anyone and please comment intelligently not dirty or silly stuff.

Hardly do i make comment because most of them r about the regionalism,mentors,comparison of nihira/himani but you topic animate me to do that...I completely agree with you...200% true...And Man don't bother about the comment you have recieved...About himani i must add that she has folky touch in her voice and a fragement of sufism which is very few and rare of its kind(like reshma,abida parveen)....ofcourse its need improvement but she is just novice and can learn and grow more...and u r right about her attitude....Nihira needs confidence but her sugary voice will make her grow in industry....debo and vinit r just forgettable....vinit copy rafi and sonu nigam & debo is just the hell of this show....

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Posted: 19 years ago
#29

Originally posted by: autmother

HI,

I dont live in India and have started seeiing this program for last 2 months. I am totally unbiased,but with my musical training and being a singer this is my 2 cents worth of opinion.

My choices for the final 3

1. Hemachandra is the best vocalist, well trained, very disciplined, respectful, down to earth. There is no doubt that he will be very successful whether he wins or not. Bollywood has not been verykind to South INdian actors or singers. It is only after Rahman came that likes of Hariharan, Kavita krishnamurthy, shankar mahadevan even were noticed. That is always an issue with the North. So I think Hemachandra will have to work extra hard to prove himself. But in South he will be famous.

Hemachandra,if you are reading, get some Hindiand Urdu exact pronouciation classes to keep you ahead in the game and please please go approach ARR and he is known to discover and give chance to new talent.

2. Himani: excellent singer, with a kind on OOMPH in her voice. Will suit most songs except very high notes. She will do well But she needs to watch her arrogance, and needs to be more humble and considerate of others. I noticed that she is very excited when she wins or she is highest but makes faces when not and as a singer she needs to control her emotions since there will be cut throat competition in the real world.

3. Nihira. has a conventional bollywood singer voice, excellent voice and training and range. Needs a good mentor to work with Bollywood bigwigs and dirty politics and some confidence and OOMph to her voice. SHe feels similar to Shreya Goshal except Shreya has a little naughtiness in her voice which is sweet to hear,

Now coming to our existing finalists, the less I say about Debojit the better. He has a pleasant voice, but you can find voices like his everywhere. he has been playing the audience with melodrama about his life, how hard he worked and his wife crying for everything. it is annoying. But I bet he will not get many chances to sing after the contest. Mark my words. the same people who voted for emotional or regional feelings will refuse to buy his audio cassete. He is good for orchestras, weddings etc. He has no range at all in his singing.

Coming to Vinit, it is really unfortunate that a good talent like him is getting carried away and hyped by HImesh and the public. He needs lot more maturing before he can become a singer. Trust me, becoming a singer takes a lot more than good voice. He is the kind of kid who will get carried away with all the accolades and forget what his passion is.

I dont see a real passion in Vineet for singing. It is like he is putting up a show and trying to please people. For God sake, 17 year old talking about love and his stupid idiotic mentor encouraging that, instead of focusing on singing and his career. He does sing well, but definitely cannot hit high notes or sing melodiously. Again absolutely no originality in his voice. He is being hyped as the yourngest contestant and once that novelty wears off when he is 23 or 24 no one is going to care about him,

So this is my opinion. No offence to anyone and please comment intelligently not dirty or silly stuff.

Very well said about debo.....Exactly I have the same feeling about debo. Here in this forum some people are comparing with Hem. I feel away to reach hem. He is undeserved candidate in Fianl 12.

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Posted: 19 years ago
#30

Originally posted by: qwertyasdfgh



I am veri much in agreement with your posts except in some cases.. Here is my $0.02

Voice quality
Nihira
Hema
Himani
Vinit
Debo

Singing ability
Nihira
Himani
Hema
Vineet
Debo

Versatility
Nihira
Hema
Himani
Vineet
Debo

Genre base
Nihira - lata songs. thats more than enough...
Hema - S P balsubramaniam and shankar mahadevan, kumar shanu songs.
Himani - asha bhosale songs, dilraj kaur,
Vinit - mohammad rafi songs, sonu nigam songs,
Debo - kumar sanu, bhupen hazarika songs

Hemo has problems with his pronunciation so has debu..
So that leaves Nihira, himani and Vineet since hte first two are out.. that leaves vineet

Stupid vinit has his own pronounciation problems.just because he is from north dosen't mean he has pure hindi accent.

every damn idiot has pronounciation problems so dont comment Hema.

people like u may even cant read hindi properly and comment all this shit.

Hema is the best though u r not willing to accept.

even nihira has marathi accent in her songs so dont fool us around

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