Why cant we accept the truth........

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Why cant we Indians accept the fact that countries like the USA are def better than us and are far more developed than us.
we always boast abt our culture and tradition, but isnt this the same culture and tradition that are preventing us from development. People are so fixated in traditions and culture that they forget abt basic development of both the society and the nation as a whole.
We have innumerable riots over religion, caste, culture, rituals that one cant even think abt progression and then we rubbish other countries like USA when they achieve something.
Like I read so many comments where people were angry that indian media covered news abt the US elections and our country's elections wouldnt get a mention in their papers, TRUE but the fact is, US is the superpower of the world and our country isnt.
We have corruption, lack of publ;ic discipline, lack of civis sense, poor infrastructure, poor development all around.
Politicians have no vision for the future, all they care abt is holding their seats, 40+ year old politician cant even imagine being the PM of our country coz here politics is all abt aging and power.
I know the moment someone mentions all these flaws, especially an NRI ( I am one too), the next comments " criticising us for sitting outside our country enjoying a "better life" and findind faults"
But isnt this a fact , can u blame the NRI's for moving abroad. Tell me when ur own country doesnt give u the respect u deserve, doesnt give u the opportunities that u deserve, doesnt give u the quality of life that u yearn and strive for, and if he/she gets the same from another country even though he/ she is not a citizen , would u blame them for going for it.
We are so focussed on following culture and criticising others for the lack of it but honestly is culture more important than development of the nation ?
What I am trying to say is that , why cant we accept the truth that we are not developing, that many other countries are better than us, we have a lot of flaws and our country isnt going in the right way , that we go on the defensive whenever someone points these flaws.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Exact same thoughts as mine. Though I'm not an NRI. 😃
I find it so naive to always give the example of our tradition and culture to prove that we're superior even when we're clearly not. It's one thing to be proud of your culture and another to sleep on your laurels achieved 2000 yrs ago. Some people even go to the extent that anything Western is bad. Come on if everything was bad then they wouldn't have been among the most developed countries. Our cultures are totally different, we can't compare apples to oranges. Both can be equally good.
Then there are some obsolete traditions and those superstitions, and people instead of kicking them out try to protect it with the reasoning that they are our tradition. Well which culture are we talking about, the one that was there when India truly was great or the one that was there during the middle ages that dragged our nation down. Sadly, people don't see the difference and still follow that middle aged dark culture as their tradition.
Cultures and traditions alone doesn't hold a nation back though, ultimately it's the willingness of the people to change with times that determines the progress.
Edited by souro - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: tina59

Why cant we Indians accept the fact that countries like the USA are def better than us and are far more developed than us.

hmmm, sounds like an opinion to me
we always boast abt our culture and tradition, but isnt this the same culture and tradition that are preventing us from development.
What gives you this impression? so the growth we have had is against the culture, tradition you mean?
People are so fixated in traditions and culture that they forget abt basic development of both the society and the nation as a whole.
I think India has developed as a society and will grow just like other societies, every society has different circumstances to growth with, not everyone has to deal with the same path
We have innumerable riots over religion, caste, culture, rituals that one cant even think abt progression and then we rubbish other countries like USA when they achieve something.
that is human nature, that is not a speciality only granted to humans in India😉
Like I read so many comments where people were angry that indian media covered news abt the US elections and our country's elections wouldnt get a mention in their papers, TRUE but the fact is, US is the superpower of the world and our country isnt.
Well lets see, there are some in our country who beleive everything they see to the west of them is good and good for the whole world. In fact we in India should be rejoicing, US has taken a step that we have been doing for a while, elect someone as a symbol and then pat ourselves in the back for that
We have corruption(in US they call it as lobbying), lack of publ;ic discipline, lack of civis sense, poor infrastructure, poor development all around.(in US they call it entitlement mentality). Interesting you should mention about poor development of infrastructure, Tom Friedman is complaining about the same citing China and India as an example(Infrastructure can be of roads or be people)
See there is no problem accepting the truth, infortunately truth most of the times changes depending on which side of the wall you are on. FACTS are indisputable, truth isn't😉
Politicians have no vision for the future, all they care abt is holding their seats, 40+ year old politician cant even imagine being the PM of our country coz here politics is all abt aging and power.funny you mention, there are some who are just itching to put a 38 year old with the last name of Gandhi to be the PM and he can certainly become one, the next election given the mindset
I know the moment someone mentions all these flaws, especially an NRI ( I am one too), the next comments " criticising us for sitting outside our country enjoying a "better life" and findind faults" The most common I have heard is defination of better life changes from person to person, so what is good for you may not be good to someone else
But isnt this a fact , can u blame the NRI's for moving abroad. Tell me when ur own country doesnt give u the respect u deserve, doesnt give u the opportunities that u deserve, doesnt give u the quality of life that u yearn and strive for,
so you run away from the fight
and if he/she gets the same from another country even though he/ she is not a citizen , would u blame them for going for it.
India is a highly competitive country, for the same skillset if you find 10 people in US(8 being desi's), you will find 1000 in India, so it is difficult to get respect when you are one in thousand as compared to one in 10
We are so focussed on following culture and criticising others for the lack of it but honestly is culture more important than development of the nation ?
hmmm we all like to criticize each other😆, that is one of our Indian traits
What I am trying to say is that , why cant we accept the truth that we are not developing, that many other countries are better than us, we have a lot of flaws and our country isnt going in the right way , that we go on the defensive whenever someone points these flaws.
I think Indian culture is the best, we are so overwelcoming to others, we have welcome people for 2000 years and learnt from them, sometimes even accepted something they do to be the best and discarded what we have.
see I am giving you concrete example here. We have a beautiful language Sanskrit, but we decided hey English is the universal language, we wont really make it our first language, but we will make all of our education available in that language, that is changing with times, we have done that for centuries as a country
Nobody is perfect, but accept the fact that we are good with some deficienaces, fix them, and maintain some self esteem😉

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Good points
Abt Rahul Gandhi being elected, do u honestly think politicians like laloo, mayawati, and thousand other parties would allow an educated young individual to become the next PM. Unless a party gets a clear majority , its again going to be 10-15 parties forming an alliance and then each one tries to become the PM.
Abt running away, I have no qualms in accepting that yes , I " ran away " if thats the term, coz thats what was best for myself and my family esp when i didnt get it from our country.
Barack Obama wasnt elected bcoz of his race but bcoz he was the right condidate amongst the two as per many, they wanted change and felt he could do it.
We again refuse to accept the FACT that we lack development and give way too importance to matters other than development and focus too much defending it .
People who have seen both sides, know and accept that we lag behind and theres no point defending it coz we dont have much points to defend abt.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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yeh lo ek aoor confusia 😆😆 nri 😛
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: tina59

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Abt Rahul Gandhi being elected, do u honestly think politicians like laloo, mayawati, and thousand other parties would allow an educated young individual to become the next PM.

Did you just call Rahul Gandhi "educated"😆 I hope you meant it as a joke. I don't have any issues with the ages of Indian Politicians. I have issues with their beliefs, affiliations and modus operandi.
I agree with most of the points you mentioned in your first post. Some counters that CPM made also "APPEAR" to make a lot of sense. It surely does depend on which side of the fence you are and I happen to be on your side here. Most of CPM's counters please the Indian side of me but I know they have nothing much left except for some sentimental value in today's corrupt and divided up India. For instance, CPM's fabulous example of Sanskrit vs. English - how true does it ring when we have a thackrey going on a tirade because some don't speak marathi in his city😆 😆
Rest later. I will be back analyzing the finer points raised by the worthy opposition in detail😉
Edited by Gauri_3 - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: tina59

Good points
Abt Rahul Gandhi being elected, do u honestly think politicians like laloo, mayawati, and thousand other parties would allow an educated young individual to become the next PM. Unless a party gets a clear majority , its again going to be 10-15 parties forming an alliance and then each one tries to become the PM.
sure they will whatever Sonia says they will do as long as they get their plum assignments and the corresponding plum revenue streams out of them
Barack Obama wasnt elected bcoz of his race but bcoz he was the right condidate amongst the two as per many, they wanted change and felt he could do it.
Barack Obama was elected for many reasons and one of the many reasons was race, another was the dislike for what the last 8 years stood for and a lot more like these. Every politician offers change from the current establishment to get elected, everyone uses that trick what makes it successful is how bad was the past period. Bush offered change in the moral climate from the Clinton/Monika era and he won based upon it
We again refuse to accept the FACT that we lack development and give way too importance to matters other than development and focus too much defending it .
I dont think anyone is refusing the FACT that we lack development certainly not Indians and/or NRI's. As I said everyone needs a development that doesnt mean it is at the cost of the culture, you can work around it. If one doesnt the development project is going to hit a roadblock and that is perfectly find. Every country has those kind of roadblocks due to different reasons. In India to blow away a historic underwater bridge for infrastructure development is going to hit a roadblock b'cos of sentimental value, but building a nuclear powerplant wont hit as big of a roadblock
In US there wont be a resistance to that kind of a bridge b'cos there are hardly any such sentimental value, (however a lot of these objects are cash cows for the tourism department, so they might hit roadblocks there) but a project of Nuclear power plant will hit a roadblock
See different set of culture, different set of apprehensions and you have to pay heed to those apprehensions to get things done in those representative cultures
People who have seen both sides, know and accept that we lag behind and theres no point defending it coz we dont have much points to defend abt.
And people who see both sides of this, know the difference and similar results due to it

Edited by chal_phek_mat - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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My main issue is that we are not getting things done. Culture is used as a tool to gain votes and nothing else.
Culture and tradition is just used as conveniently as possible.
I reiterate my point that we arent developing the way we should and we complain and criticise those who do . We hold on to our culture excuse which again is used as per convenience by those who dont give a damn abt the nation or society.
Even if an eligible person ,a good representative of our country is ready to be PM, we wont allow him/her to be as we dont want that, we focus all our attention on something way less trivial.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Different does not mean deficient. The United States and India have different strengths and weaknesses. That does not mean one is lesser or greater than the other. At the same time agreed, that we have a lot of positives to learn and gain from America as well as other parts of the world. We can be proud of our culture and tradition and still be a dynamic changing society. The two are not as mutually exclusive as people make it sound. Culture & Tradition themselves are an inheritance from a history of social evolution.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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First of all grat topic and great comments and opinions shared.😊
Cant possibly write down everything I would like to add but here are some thoughts.
For me however the comparison of say US with India in terms of "progression" is awkward because it depends on what you interpret as "progression"
US "progression" in mentality has made a leap forward with the the majority voting for a black man to be their next president. Such mental "progression" on the part of India is more than likely still lagging
Economic "progression" is difficult for me, b/c I have always believed the West has had 20 or so years ahead in terms of wealth to know what works for prosperity and what doesnt. It had access to cars, TVs computers in abundance before the East probably did, but by the time the eat finally caught up - the West starts dictating about global warming and how these things are bad - after having abused their privileges for years they now sek to stop others who have only just go their hands on them.
Human nature dictates that if you have something that makes life good, easy and eanjoyable - i will want the same and strive to get it.
In my opinion, Indians "strive" more than than Western counterparts. Why? coz we in the West have never seen levels of poverty that Indians may have done so or at least would be aware of of - maybe therefore the need to succeed is greater. Certainly our parents suffered and were happy to sacrifice in order to give us, their children, a better chance of an easier life. Western "culture" does not always do that.
Bottome line, India does have culture, and that is a good thing. It also has a vast amount of resource and vast brains too - the biggest difference however between the US and India comes in India's vast population - no contest there. It's easy for us and our presidents/PMs to talk - would love to see how they would solve India's problems withher vast number of subjects.
😡M😡

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