Swara Bhaskar's insensitive remarks on Jauhar scene from Padmavat- Page 4

Swara basically saying to those women - why were you so egoistic as to not wanting your corpses to be r*ped? Why were you so proud that you would prefer dying once instead of dying everyday by becoming sex slave of Barbarians?

Out of the many ' responses ' to me from different IDs that belong to the same person who has been continuously harassing and stalking several members of the forum, one post that begins as a rant to me but then has an identity crisis and addresses Swara in betweem comes back to me and says this at the end " This is not about your fantasy roleplay in our bedroom where you have handcuffs on for a few hours " . A moderator called Devasree has upvoted this post. And we wonder why this forum is dying. Tch tch.

Reading through the posts, I now have a clearer understanding of what is at stake and grasp the crux of the debate: the cinematic portrayal of the decision to escape enslavement through self-immolation. By burning themselves, the women actively evade the power of the conqueror Alauddin Khilji and deny him his victory trophy.

Although this decision was staged in a 'grand' manner - cinematically resembling a moment of triumph - it fails (imo) to depict the agonizing mass death of hundreds of women cornered within a fortress. Through visually pleasing aesthetics, Bhansali romanticized the brutal and desperate reality of death by fire, causing that reality to recede entirely into the background. While I was impressed, I harbored emotional reservations about the way Bhansali - in my view - 'instrumentalized' the women; it struck me as being more about Khilji, who is denied the coveted 'possession' of Padmavat. The tragedy of their self-immolation is used, so to speak, to frustrate Khilji: no Padmavat for him, no women for his warriors (with a specific focus on their bodies).

Are there any scenes showing a woman hesitating, weeping, panicking, or questioning the hopelessness of the situation? Was it not portrayed less as a desperate, autonomous act of resistance and more as a religious-patriotic duty fulfilled without complaint? To me, the scene felt more like the 'celebration' of a cruel ritual than the tragic, last resort of desperate women.

Despite my own impressions, I am certainly not a 'fan' of Swara Bhaskar and find much to criticize in the things she says. And I'm reminded of the heartwrenching scene in Imtiaz Ali's movie MVA which in a completely different way shows this desperate decision taken by women even in 'modern' times.

Originally posted by: WormikaGrubby

Out of the many ' responses ' to me from different IDs that belong to the same person who has been continuously harassing and stalking several members of the forum, one post that begins as a rant to me but then has an identity crisis and addresses Swara in betweem comes back to me and says this at the end " This is not about your fantasy roleplay in our bedroom where you have handcuffs on for a few hours " . A moderator called Devasree has upvoted this post. And we wonder why this forum is dying. Tch tch.

of all the things you wrote, my response disturbs you that was a metaphor to highlight the toxic thinking you presented in your post.

Fact that you are still here with so many bans and reprieves is more of the proof of how your toxic views are allowed to continue here and you refused to leave dex. Not the other way around. Tch tch

She had a baby recently

Originally posted by: NathuPaapi

Swara basically saying to those women - why were you so egoistic as to not wanting your corpses to be r*ped? Why were you so proud that you would prefer dying once instead of dying everyday by becoming sex slave of Barbarians?

That's the crux of it, they attack women for not serving their favorite men

Another one downplayed horrors of sex slavery

Originally posted by: Clochette

Reading through the posts, I now have a clearer understanding of what is at stake and grasp the crux of the debate: the cinematic portrayal of the decision to escape enslavement through self-immolation. By burning themselves, the women actively evade the power of the conqueror Alauddin Khilji and deny him his victory trophy.

Although this decision was staged in a 'grand' manner - cinematically resembling a moment of triumph - it fails (imo) to depict the agonizing mass death of hundreds of women cornered within a fortress. Through visually pleasing aesthetics, Bhansali romanticized the brutal and desperate reality of death by fire, causing that reality to recede entirely into the background. While I was impressed, I harbored emotional reservations about the way Bhansali - in my view - 'instrumentalized' the women; it struck me as being more about Khilji, who is denied the coveted 'possession' of Padmavat. The tragedy of their self-immolation is used, so to speak, to frustrate Khilji: no Padmavat for him, no women for his warriors (with a specific focus on their bodies).

Are there any scenes showing a woman hesitating, weeping, panicking, or questioning the hopelessness of the situation? Was it not portrayed less as a desperate, autonomous act of resistance and more as a religious-patriotic duty fulfilled without complaint? To me, the scene felt more like the 'celebration' of a cruel ritual than the tragic, last resort of desperate women.

Despite my own impressions, I am certainly not a 'fan' of Swara Bhaskar and find much to criticize in the things she says. And I'm reminded of the heartwrenching scene in Imtiaz Ali's movie MVA which in a completely different way shows this desperate decision taken by women even in 'modern' times.

That is your interpretation of how you viewed the movie and scene. Director doesn't make movies according to you.

The other view is that they were clearly so driven by refusing to accept their reality and hence had to resort to what they did as a moment of their own escape and hence triumph to their freedom from slavery of the worst kind and their children's future which is a tragedy but also an ultimate escape.

You all can defend this 24/7 with twisted arguements and views like dex is doing in her posts. The only way to assess this circumstance is to imagine yourself in the place of this women's' lives and feel the pain and what possible paths even existed and their actions.

Originally posted by: MsWhiskerson

That's the crux of it, they attack women for not serving their favorite men

Another one downplayed horrors of sex slavery

If they promote the system they are part of then the only argument they have left is to defend Sara's views further amplified by their own masala added. Any other view collapses their system built upon centuries of oppression of women. Seems like they have accepted their own lives as reality and hence think sexual slavery is inevitable reality and should be accepted.

Originally posted by: MsWhiskerson

She had a baby recently

The only thing decent about her was her decent looks. I think that changed way before her baby.

There is nothing I "defend"... I clearly explained my own impressions...