Mannat Har Khushi Paane Ki: EDT - 41 (DT Note pg: 132) - Page 58

Originally posted by: sadiltl

@bold Oh dont take my words literally. What I meant is that Dua is DK's baby. And Mannat has to respect it.

Mona, I have no respect for the writers so my words might sound little deriding. Dont mind. What the writers are not able to capture here is the "emotions" between the adults. No one on earth can live under one roof with platonic relationships. Love, companionship, s*x is part of life especially when you are in 30-40s. You cant simple undo these feelings! unless you show the characters have extraordinarily control on their senses. Yes, love happens once and you can show it being sustained over years...for that...there should be a strong base. Lets assume ManVik indeed had a strong base, then they should come out clean when they met years later. If Dua is the conflict, they should try to work around her without taking people for granted iffff they are "good" people. What defines good is again in writers hand, who seem to be confused with definitions.

I am also not sure what they write. I have no much hopes there. DK till now has not been shown playing with Mannat's emotions right. Atleast thats what I understood. He seems to be a nice guy. Either they have to keep him like that and weave the plot. If they are making him insecure which are valid emotions, because he invested his energy and emotions. You cant say Mannat didnt ask for it. The fact is she is DK's wife in soceity's eyes. If she leaves him, he will be affected too. Who will marry him? Therefore, It is either a contract or commitment. There are no two ways. I mean Mannat can be grey and ignore all these moral questions, because in reality most poeple do that. Writers should atleast give that clarity. They cant show Mannat, a moralistic woman and then show her do things opposite. Same thing with DK. If he is selfless, weave the story around that. Now that he is grey, which is understandable, continue it. Dont keep flipping. With Mannat, give clarity on how much "morality" they are going to add to her personality and write accordingly. It is about convincing audience and making them empathize with their choices. If they keep changing people, then their choices keep changing. Why should we even bother about discussing anything if they keep changing at will. no point.

Read this Sai if you have time. :D

Originally posted by: Moor278

Very interesting that we are still on this lies and hiding the truth angle

When in the BTS released today... Vik himself agrees.. with rocket speed BTW... to keep the truth away from Dua so that it doesnt mess up her life

I actually loved that part... not because he agreed... but because thats a big step in his growth...

This is coming from a person who was bombarded with a harshest truth about his identity ... went on a downward spiral... lost his loved ones and suffered for so many years.... only to realize that they were right all along.... sometimes it's better to hide certain things to avoid creating a larger trauma!!!!!

P.S. will take this statement back if this part doesnt make it to the episode!!!!

Vikku situation:

He is a grownup adult- yes they hide for him... at the end truth came out which led to huge drama....he did some unimaginable things... but my problem is not them hiding truth... my problem is post leap... no one there is cutting slack for vikranth right for behaving like that, everyone expected a sorry, yes melt hogaya but after apology then why are they not realizing they also need to apologize especially rotu and dk. Reason jo bhi ho, their lies also hurt him. But all blame directed towards only one person...I don't like it..

Vish is evil, no one know what she will do, so at some point truth will come out...

Dua case- she is very small...its definitely not right time ,especially when adult relationships are so messed up...

Vikranth is not vish...

Originally posted by: sadiltl

I am not sure. :D She looks confused to me. If she is morally upright, she should take a stand. And support DK, even if she gets hurt. Because that is the right thing to do. She should maintain distance from Vik, Keep Dua safe with her baba because she knowingly or unknowingly made a family with DK in front of world's view. She should leave to Indore. Dua is conceived before marriage, any legal agreement and Vik abandoned her, Dua is not bonded with vik, she is bonded with DK. So all these are enough reasons to make a morally right decision. Nothing should stop her from leaving Mumbai, not even Neetu's health. Her son is back to take care of her. What happens after going to Indore is DK's and Mannat's decision.

If she is ok to compromise on that, it is ok too. But show it convincingly. Not everyone can be morally 100% right.

Morality is not sexuality or concerned with conjugal/love relationships only. Anything that puts you to in a tough position to take a decision is a moral dilemma. A person who chooses the wellbeing of others is generally considered morally right. IMO. Thats why morality changes by time, space, and position. Justice is different. It is always the same and based on evidence. With Vik, justice will not support him too. That is another matter :D

She is supposed to be confused. As of today... there are still lot of truths hidden from Mannat. Judging her behaviour based on the limited information available to her is what is wrong IMO.

Let the entire truth about Duas birth come out first... The situation is a big mess... there are no simple yes or no kind of answers. Isnt that an example of the moral dilemma she is facing???

Bold black... Mannat is not married to either of the 2 guys (if we ignore the terrace wedding)... so legally she is not bound to any of them.

In a hypothetical scenario, she can always 'divorce' DK and move back to Vik with Dua. Thats a possibility too...

Mannats decision to put DKs name on birth certificate or making Dua call DK as Baba was not her decision alone... Ronnie was an equal partner. Neetu was too ill at that point.

The question of Viks rights should be asked to Ronnie as well... not just Mannat. Its not just her. And at that time, it was taken believing there is no way back to Vik.

Now the situation has changed... or will change with Duas reveal... the morality will come in picture now... not before this...

Same goes for 'married in the eyes of society'... RoTu have been living in the same house as DK Mannat. He is the one who can vouch on Mannats virtuosity. Your previous comment hinted at physical needs hence I mentioned this.

Purple... this would be the dilemma wont it... when Mannat has to decide between DK and Vik and who has more rights... but then again Vik was innocent in this matter... and DK stepped in without being asked... rather they had no option but to go with DK.

Even now she hasnt stopped Vik from forming a bond with Dua nor has she ever badmouthed Vik to Dua. She is trying to balance... so i dont why you think theres no moral compass.

Another point which I would like to raise... DKs feelings for Mannat are hidden from her. Only Neetu knows it well... Ro seems like he has an idea but he hasnt verbalized it. The reason Mannat has so far supported DK and not suspected him is because he has concealed them well in front of her.

Seeing how much she loves Vik... I dont suppose she would 'encourage' with any such behaviour...

But thats my take.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

I am not sure. :D She looks confused to me. If she is morally upright, she should take a stand. And support DK, even if she gets hurt. Because that is the right thing to do. She should maintain distance from Vik, Keep Dua safe with her baba because she knowingly or unknowingly made a family with DK in front of world's view. She should leave to Indore. Dua is conceived before marriage, any legal agreement and Vik abandoned her, Dua is not bonded with vik, she is bonded with DK. So all these are enough reasons to make a morally right decision. Nothing should stop her from leaving Mumbai, not even Neetu's health. Her son is back to take care of her. What happens after going to Indore is DK's and Mannat's decision.

If she is ok to compromise on that, it is ok too. But show it convincingly. Not everyone can be morally 100% right.

Morality is not sexuality or concerned with conjugal/love relationships only. Anything that puts you to in a tough position to take a decision is a moral dilemma. A person who chooses the wellbeing of others is generally considered morally right. IMO. Thats why morality changes by time, space, and position. Justice is different. It is always the same and based on evidence. With Vik, justice will not support him too. That is another matter :D

Toh wahi toh decision lia hai Mannat ne ab tak...

Where is she even separating Dua from DK ?

She did not even go & tell Vikrant about the truth. It is Neetu's doing and Dhairya gave in bcs of his own growing insecurities.

Its not about what is right or wrong ? Dk, Vikrant & Mannat all 3 have been victom of cicumstances & in that particular situation whatever they felt correct they did that, it doesn't matter if it is right or wrong for the audience..

Also, I dont know why all morality, all goodness, maintaining all purity of relationships is expected from Mannat only ??

Why not the same expectation from DK or Vikrant ?

But then you are questioning the characterization of every character... because each one of them has lied and hidden stuff from one another!!!!

There is not one person who is doodh ka dhula in this entire story!!!!

Not even the so called positive ones like Shruti Maa ... so whats the point going over it again and again???

Because you are never going to be satisfied if thats the idea.

Originally posted by: Mona_HappyLife

Toh wahi toh decision lia hai Mannat ne ab tak...

Where is she even separating Dua from DK ?

She did not even go & tell Vikrant about the truth. It is Neetu's doing and Dhairya gave in bcs of his own growing insecurities.

Its not about what is right or wrong ? Dk, Vikrant & Mannat all 3 have been victom of cicumstances & in that particular situation whatever they felt correct they did that, it doesn't matter if it is right or wrong for the audience..

Also, I dont know why all morality, all goodness, maintaining all purity of relationships is expected from Mannat only ??

Why not the same expectation from DK or Vikrant ?

@bold because they are useless. DK is being butchered too.

Morality is expected from Mannat not because she is woman, she is the only one who is raised well. And only one writers are little consistent.

I have a different take on this and thats why I was looking forward for Duas truth...

This is ITV.. so she will find out too ... afterall drama jo chalana hai...

And thats where Indore gang will realize how it impacts the person whose identity is doubtful. They havent thought of it because what they wanted to show was proven right...

And they are repeating the same mistake with Dua... even if its for her benefit... I agree with Neetu only for this bit...

For them to understand what Vik went through they need to see it through Dua.

Originally posted by: sadiltl

Read this Sai if you have time. :D

I am only talking based on BTS. I donnt know any of this what i said will be valid if they show different from BTS. Mannat should leave Mumbai if she is an upright person. I see Neetu is sick again? If DK is saying he wants Dua, and being an equal partner in rasing Dua, and Dua not being bonded with vik till yesterday and ONLY bonded with her dad, DK, what should Mannat do? She should leave Mumbai.

If she is confused about her feelings, it is ok. IMO it is not morally correct. Either as a woman, mother and caregiver. Love is blind so she can forgive Vik on one sorry. I am not saying she should not forgive. But it will NOT look good. She has to resolve everything, and then go to Vik.

Mannat is not married to either of the 2 guys (if we ignore the terrace wedding)... so legally she is not bound to any of them.

This is the BEST decision. And some character from the past show I have seen will do exactly this! That is the highest pinnacle Mannat can reach if she does this. She is in a position where she is not obligated to anyone. I bring in DK because she is not clarifying and let him hang. Just tell him, I will take my baby and go. Tell Dua she is separated with her baba, share her with DK. But she should not leave DK and go with vik, not now, not like this.

Originally posted by: Moor278

I have a different take on this and thats why I was looking forward for Duas truth...

This is ITV.. so she will find out too ... afterall drama jo chalana hai...

And thats where Indore gang will realize how it impacts the person whose identity is doubtful. They havent thought of it because what they wanted to show was proven right...

And they are repeating the same mistake with Dua... even if its for her benefit... I agree with Neetu only for this bit...

For them to understand what Vik went through they need to see it through Dua.