A Film Doesn’t Feel Like Propaganda If You Never Pause to Notice - Page 7

Originally posted by: Kyahikahoon

Try. Dont explain. Just name it

Well, actually, y o u should be able to name it as you named the former delusion 'hope for peace'...you don't live it it (anymore)... so in which state of mind do you live if it isn't 'hope for peace' (anymore)?

Too much gaslighting and manipulation by those who want to fit into category of "intellectuals"

Originally posted by: naaznin

SP aslam, major iqbal , Rahman baloch died during Manmohan Singh's era. But movies shows death after 2014 crediting for nothing they done.

Propoganda is not showing ISI agents as evil or showing Pakistan in bad light but propoganda is showing opposition as anti national n current government as only one caring for nation.

Girl, why don't you watch the movie you keep discussing everywhere? You keep saying things to expose that you didn't actually watch it

Dhurandhar 1 and 2 are just "movies", there are so many movies pandering to leftists who want to destroy every bit of India by supporting terrorists from Pakistan to Kashmir to Delhi and maoists from Chhattisgarh to Telangana to Maharashtra

You all show remarkably low tolerance for something which doesn't fit your world view

Gen Zs are not self loathing people set out to sell their own national securit

Haidar had power to turn the actor who acted in it into a terrorist, I am telling you for a fact that Dhurandhar wouldn't change mind of Indian voters

Another MID gone

If they could only be like me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs2BRSWzrJE

Originally posted by: MsWhiskerson

Girl, why don't you watch the movie you keep discussing everywhere? You keep saying things to expose that you didn't actually watch it

I have already watched the movie. I feel u urself haven't watched that's why denying the propaganda.

Originally posted by: naaznin

I have already watched the movie. I feel u urself haven't watched that's why denying the propaganda.

Lies and lies

9 August 2009 - Pipeline inauguration, There were 2 scenes showing this date in the movie, characters say the date as well

How can anyone who watched Dhurandhar say that Rahman dakait died after 2014?

On top of it saying Major Iqbal died before 2014? When there's no real life Major Iqbal, like Hamza, he was a fictional character

I guess you just read reviews and decided to write "propaganda propaganda" everywhere because as you talk about the movie, you actually don't know most obvious things

But one might wonder, why lie? What is it about this movie that people are doing all this?

While the makers have claimed that the film is a work of fiction, not only media reports but also audience made clear that the characters are designed based on real individuals. Everybody can inform oneself about them and their personal background:

Major Iqbal, e.g., is inspired by Ilyas Kashmiri, a leading Pakistani terrorist linked to major attacks in India, including the 26/11 attacks.

Rehman Dakait is designed after Sardar Abdul Rehman Baloch, a gangster-politician who operated in Karachi's Lyari area and was killed in a 2009 police encounter.

etc...

Real history also tells that following the terrorist attacks on 26/11, the RAW came under intense pressure for failing to prevent the attacks despite numerous warnings. To address the glaring security gaps exposed during the 60-hour siege, the government implemented the NIA, tightened laws, established NSG bases in big cities and fortified the maritime border security.

As for the espionage, India has been sending spies to Pakistan since shortly after the partition in 1947, with intelligence operations intensifying significantly following the establishment of the Research and Analysis Wing in 1968. While operations existed in the 1960s, a major, well-documented era of deep-cover espionage began in the mid-1970s.

So, everybody who watched the movie can compare it with documented facts and make up the own mind how to perceive the movie.

Originally posted by: Clochette

Well, actually, y o u should be able to name it as you named the former delusion 'hope for peace'...you don't live it it (anymore)... so in which state of mind do you live if it isn't 'hope for peace' (anymore)?

I wouldn’t be able to name it. Coz what I live in is realisation and not delusion. Everyone wants peace. But peace is elusive. What I’ve realised is that we have to learn to live with this chaos for the time being. And when there is chaos n noise all around..the one place that should be calm is our mind.

Sthitpragya is the term for it.. meaning someone who remains unruffled, calm, and composed, maintaining internal equilibrium regardless of external circumstances.

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Hi,

I hope it’s alright if I answer something here which I hope can explain why the use of real footage.

To begin with, I am a resident of Mumbai. I have been born and raised in Mumbai, lived all my life here - most of my family, friends are from here. There are so many things that would always be a part of my memories no matter where I go in life when I think about Mumbai. The 26/11 attacks, the 26/07 floods, the numerous bomb blasts in Mumbai since late 90s are things I’ve lived through. I don’t have to rely on anyone else’s accounts to tell you what they felt like… I just need to think about the event and the memories come flooding back instantly as if I am back in time.

You asked 2 questions - what appeals to people when it comes to this movie and why the real footage.

I will tell you 2 incidents related to my own family. I am a Hindu, my dad was a self made man who ran his own business and had purchased an office with his hard earned money with a lot of pride and happiness. Less than 6 years later he had to sell the place because men associated with Dawood had taken a shine to the locality and wanted to purchase the buildings in it. You had 2 options - sell at whatever price they pay you or take a bullet to the head. My dad obviously made the decision to sell the property. This is the first incident.

Remember those bomb blasts I mentioned earlier? My mom was a simple homemaker, one evening she was simply out getting groceries from the nearby market when a bomb blast happened in the vicinity at the railway station which was adjoining the market. Those were some of the worst hours of my life and that of my younger brother and dad’s. There was a stampede like situation where my mom was caught and she didn’t own a mobile back then. My dad was on his way home already and I called him as soon as I saw the news on TV, my brother was very young - about 12 years old and he was a mess and crying for mom. Thankfully, she was unharmed and was home later at night. My dad had went looking for her and got her home. The next morning my mom was a mess because it was for the first time ever that my brother and I had went to bed on an empty stomach; something she realised only when she woke up next morning. My whole family had exhausted themselves to sleep that night.In all those years, I saw no government do anything substantial to Pakistan or any of the terrorists that would hurt us.

People who lived anywhere knew that 26/11 happened, I know my fellow countrymen were in shock too and they were mourning with us. But you had to have been a resident of the city to know how unsafe we felt in the wake of that attack and were afraid of stepping out of our homes just to do mundane things like going to college, going out with friends, buying groceries or shopping or just stepping out for a walk or a drive because you were bored. We had previously seen bomb blasts happen everywhere in the country and knew that one could happen anywhere, anytime… but the idea of armed gunmen opening fire at us in random places where we were just going about with our lives was a new threat that had been unleashed on us. We were scared but more than that we were furious and loathing the people who were running our country at the time. I remember thinking that Vilasrao Deshmukh deserves to be slapped around publicly by as many of people as possible when he shamelessly escorted his son and Ram Gopal Verma to Taj, as if it were a picnic spot and he had booked some VIP spots in it for them.

But worse than him was the government in Centre, an absolutely impotent, pathetic, incompetent, useless and shameless man who was supposed to be PM was making it sound like not going after Pakistan was some kind of high moral ground that he deserved a medal for being on.

I swear to god, I had no idea until then what hating someone was like …

All this was mentioned so I could probably answer your questions and hopefully you understand why my answers are what they are.

1) I enjoyed watching Dhurandhar 1 & 2 and would watch them as often as possible because I have never seen a movie be so unapologetic about naming Pakistan as the terror of hub that it is, about showing that it deserves to be destroyed without any remorse, regret or guilt. I absolutely loved that Dawood was shown as a dying, pathetic man wasting away who doesn’t even deserve the luxury of a quick and easy death because that swine burning for a 1000 years in hell wouldn’t be enough for a punishment. I make no apologies about hating Dawood and Pakistan and hoping to see them pay and rot in the hell they deserve. I hope that answers number one - what do people get. People like me got satisfaction and we won’t pretend we didn’t enjoy it. I would have gone for a Dhurandhar 3 as well if there was one.

2) Why real footage you ask…

The events of 26/11 are fresh in the minds of those like me who lived through them. We don’t need to be asked to recall Barkha Dutt on our screens practically giving away the movements of our forces to everyone including the terrorists. We saw that by ourselves. I was almost an adult by the time and remember thinking that if I can see a commando entering the building on live TV, so would the terrorists inside the hotel even if one TV was on anywhere and getting an exact idea of where to go to attack our forces. They would use hostages to shield themselves against any attack by our forces.

Dhar showed a brief glimpse of what kind of an absolute disaster and self sabotaging move that was by our media. But more than that he used the real footage to provide an idea that these attacks were not just random but well thought out attacks, they had not been executed by poor men lured to terrorism in a bid to ensure their families survived even if they didn’t… but that these were indoctrinated terrorists whose sole motive was hatred towards us for simply being who we are - Hindus or Jews - for existing.

You have to remember, the movie is made in India but is not limited to Indian audiences alone. It was going to go global even if it was banned in Middle East regardless by means of OTT platforms like Netflix.

Not everyone will understand the gravity of 26/11, the sheer hatred and the kind of atrocities committed on that day necessarily. When you add footage that’s real… and this is barely a few minutes long… it makes even those who had no idea grasp somewhat… what the experience was like for real people. The cast was made to hear 45 minutes of real footage before they shot that scene as confirmed by many in podcasts now. Dhar gave us barely 2 minutes of the same.. he had them sit for 45 minutes so they knew what they were expected to perform like.. who were they playing and what those people were talking like, behaving like.

If Dhar wanted to show real propaganda, he could have included scenes about Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his wife Rivka who was 6 months pregnant at the time. Only their 2 year old son miraculously survived. There’s no official confirmation of this but there have been rumours that she was assaulted and tortured before being killed.

Adding real footage is to ensure that the generation who was too young to grasp what happened back then gets to realise the horror they may have only a passing knowledge of as well as for the international audiences and community to grasp what monsters we have been dealing with since ages.

In today’s world, we have movies where US shows their forces as the good guys regardless of how far that maybe from the truth and for a long time people believed that. That’s narrative and propaganda, that’s whitewashing the reality but ironically until recently no one called it that.

When Jews make movies on the holocaust, they do so unapologetically even despite the hate and other negative comments that may come their way. They do so to tell the world what happened to them and while there are people who will claim this is propaganda and brainwashing blah blah… no one can deny that the holocaust really did happen. When a Jew makes a movie about the same it’s not just to show the atrocities their people have faced and survived, it’s also to show that nothing has been able to keep them down regardless of what they faced and endured.

With Dhurandhar we are finally stepping into the same territory where we aren’t apologetic about the actions we do now that hurt those who have provoked us by their actions. We are trying to make the world understand the reality that has ironically been ignored and worse buried by our own industry who would rather make movies showing RAW and ISI are on the same page and fighting against the same kind of people who are our common enemies when nothing can be further from the truth and facts.

If you want to break the narrative that has been built for decades, unfortunately by traitors amidst your own people - you can’t be subtle about it. To shatter it once and for all you need to go at it with the force of a sledgehammer on steroids - it’s why the real footage - after all it’s the raw and brutal truth. The idea was to make people think, to question, to make them uncomfortable… because Dhar wants you to wonder what kind of a response is warranted in the face of such an event and then look at history to see what was actually done.

The fact that Dhar has you asking questions tells me he succeeded. You are trying to understand why would he do such a thing.

Maybe eventually you will even ask - why would we need an Aditya Dhar to make 2 damn movies to tell us something that was abundantly clear from the beginning. We were being governed by people who had a duty and a responsibility to not just protect us but also avenge us when they failed. But, not only did they fail to protect us, worse, they failed to avenge our people to redeem for their mistakes and had the audacity to claim some kind of a moral duty towards humanity or whatever nonsense to justify their own traitorous acts against the citizens of the nation they had vowed to serve.

I hope you have your answers.

Wow! What a brilliantly written post. I rarely have the patience to read such long posts but reading your post felt just like watching a 4hr Dhurandhar movie. Apprehensive of the length in beginning but kept engaged till the end. Kudos to you. 👍

Thank u for this post... 👌👍