YRKKH BTS, SM updates & Spoilers Thread #115 - Page 110

There are always two sides of the coin.

Armaan has trauma....He lost his mother, brother, bsp, was wronged by his family, now fears for pookie....Okay, but its not like abhira has an easy life.

Her mother was shot dead right infront of her eyes who was her only family in real sense, the brother she got has only caused problems in her life one after another. Goenkas always picked ruhi over her, no matter how much wrong ruhi is. She also lost bsp. Its not like poddars treated abhira like a queen. They always find a way to blame her for everything, whether she gets involved or not. Her mere existance is enough for them to blame her. She is the one who is constantly being taunted for her infertility (unfortunately now from her husdband also).

If armaan being overprotective & over possessive towards pookie is coming from his trauma, then abhira being desperate for her child is also came from her trauma (which was caused intentionally by avidya the dayan, aasmaan poddar & unintentionally by armaan). Though those behaviors of both are kind of hard to digest as for me both should go to therapy before taking a baby's responsibility.

Its not about either of armaan or abhira being overprotective or desperate for their baby respectively. Its about how they're treating eachother in this phase. Though desperate for bsp, abhira was never mean or insensitive towards armaan. But while being overprotective towards pookie, armaan is being extremely rude & insensitive towards abhira for no reason and suffocating ruhi also. He is not realizing the damage he is causing right now. Maybe when he does it might be too late.

If armaan really wants peace in his life, he should leave ph with abhira and pookie. Till they are in ph, its impossible to stay away from family matters. Now he is behaving like hdgf. But if something goes wrong, for an example if kiara or charu attempt to suicide or something, will he be this chill? He will again blame abhira as abhir is her brother.

Bring rude to abhira is not gonna solve his problems. Instead he is distancing the only person who loves him unconditionally, forgave his all mistakes and being extremely patient with the crap he is pulling right now. But she will also have a breaking point. (Ideally she should. But don't know what will makers do). If damage he is causing becomes irreversible, then he might lose abhira. Hopefully he should understand before it gets too late.

Originally posted by: chabalas

As I said, yes he needs to be more persistent about his stance of staying away from Kaveri but he is shown to be aloof most of the times. He willingly isn't going near her and has twice shown to be talking about how Kaveri wronged his mother and so he wants to stay away from her. I disagreed with your comment about - he happily celebrated at her birthday party because he dint and it was clearly visible in the episode.

Both Abhira and Armaan are equally adamant about their decisions. Yes, rarely they give in to each other but both have their own stands. Kiara's matter, again both were adamant and Armaan gave in only after Kiara requesting him one last chance and her right to take a decision about her marriage.

I get your point. This is the dancing clip of KP's birthday party and I nowhere see him sad while dancing. Armaan was happily dancing with Abhira on KP's birthday party. It nowhere appeared seeing this dancing clip, he was compelled or forced by Abhira to dance on his abuser's birthday party.

https://x.com/MEGHA_1925/status/1915991136750993856

Armaan was right in his stance during Kiara's matter. Abhira can be criticized for her individual choices and decisions but if she is criticized because she did this with Armaan, then obviously Armaan can also be criticized for the same reason.

Originally posted by: janecastle

They are going to use Aarohi's death now Seriously Dkp. I feel hum sab bewajah speculate karr rahe hai. Pookie will come and AbhiMaan will continue to stay together. Ruhi will go into early labor, doctor would ask to save between surrogate and baby, AbhiMaan will choose Ruhi, but both will be safe in typical Itv fashion. Then they'll continue hum saath saath hai with Poddar nonsense again. Abhira don't seem to have a breaking point, neither does Armaan.

Originally posted by: Indira1211

what if something like this happens…Ruhi goes into severe depression after giving birth..to the point where she can’t take care of Daksh because she feels she killed her mom..…and abhira has to take care of her, Daksh and pookie. Seeing this kaveri may put all the blame on pookie and Armaan won’t tolerate it. He may want to leave the house with pookie and abhira..but abhira says she has to stay back to take care of Ruhi and Daksh..🤷🏻‍♀️.. Because dkp can’t bring up Arohis death for no reason..🤔

PS - Don't think much. This could be another trp stunt like lame IR track.

Originally posted by: Sajini235

Maybe...Coz neither abhira nor armaan are in their original characters now. Makers can pull any shitty track. But either way, pookie will have a cursed life. In ph, will always get blamed. Away from ph, will lose one of the parents love ( probably mother's) and later will be sandwiched between abhimaan along with custody battles. So better if it doesn't come. He/she can later come from abhira in proper way.

PS - Don't think much. This could be another trp stunt like lame IR track.

Originally posted by: Naysayer

you are just saying the same thing more elaborately …my question was just this …does Armaan’s wrong justify Abhira’s wrong ?

And no matter what Vidya did or said, Abhira was an adult capable of standing up for herself and giving it back …she chose not to …she could have and should have walked out long ago ..she did not ..,

Armaan was a child victim …he was duped by a woman in the name of maternal love and another in the name of gratitude and guilt ..he endured close to thirty years of abuse …

To compare an adult man’s trauma that is a. consequence of childhood conditioning with an adult woman’s refusal to stand up for herself is not a fair comparison as per me .:.of course you can choose to disagree

And to set the record straight, I have nowhere justified Armaan talking to Vidya or Kaveri …my simple point was Armaan’s relationship with Vidya is far too complicated and complex …she is his abuser and she is also his mother who accepted him as an orphan and she is also the mother of the brother who just died…far too complex a situation to draw simple inferences ..!

@bold Armaan's wrong can never justify Abhira's wrong but for me Abhira's wrong isn't confined to "What she did with Armaan" "How she treated Armaan", "How can she talk to his abusers" but based on her individual decisions, perspective and lack of self-worth, she should've stood up for herself but she failed. But Armaan who promised her the world, promised to be there, promise to never doubt her again and give her happiness, being an adult shouldn't be taking "champi" from his own abuser, even if he was then he shouldn't be discussing Abhira who has a track record of her loathed by Vidya mata because of infertility, he shouldn't be doubting Abhira, regarding their child, listening to world's best mother Vidya's concerns.

@blue Abhira said the same thing to KP, she confronted KP for giving childhood trauma to Armaan. Then she blamed herself for not being a good mother. Abhira is criticized for talking to Armaan's childhood abuser KP, regarding Armaan, well ideally Abhira must have a breakdown on hearing "Thanks to Ruhi you can be a mother but can never be a good mother", but she was blaming Armaan's abuser for his actions. After blaming KP, Abhira started with her "I can't be a good mother" drama, after that drama came the most embarrassing part, her dancing to a nursery rhyme to cheer up Armaan. Instead of feeling bad for herself, she was dancing to nursery rhyme to cheer up Armaan. I still don't understand what's wrong in Abhira confronting KP for being a reason behind Armaan's childhood trauma, yes her blaming herself and her being in guilt for not being a good mother was pathetic.

@red When was Armaan orphan for Vidya? Vidya mata knew all along that his mother Shivani is alive so how can he be the orphan Vidya raised? Infact Vidya lied to Armaan that his mother is dead and won't return. He let KP blame Armaan for Shivani's death knowing all along that Shivani didn't die. Vidya intentionally separated him from his mother, "used him" to get closer to Shivani's husband. I can never understand justifications for team Armaan-Vidya against Abhira, even if Vidya was his real mother, who raised him with love without conditions gaslighting or deceit, I would've said the same thing. Abhira was defending Armaan and blaming KP, whereas, Armaan was doubting Abhira listening to Vidya mata, both are different.

A lot of conversation does not happen on this forum simply because people don’t want to get into verbal spats or fuel the flames of generational hatred …this does not mean that private group conversations don’t happen …because people are still invested enough sadly to vent their frustrations re this stupid show..just wanted to clarify this so people don’t assume that anger or disappointments are not aired or shared simply because it is not done in this exact space …

Speaking for myself, my point of connect was always Armaan more than Abhira …but I lost interest from the last baccha track ,..I came back because of the Shivani track and am sadly disappointed all over again …while I understand Armaan’s inability to shrug off his familial connections, because of survivor’s guilt and given that survivors of abuse often have an unhealthy obsession with their perps that are also family of some sort, it does not make for a pleasant watch…i was so furious with Armaan at one point I cursed him saying he did not treasure Shivani enough and that he should lose her and never recover from that pain all his life …and then it actually happened in the show ..I did not watch Armaan grieve because his pain did not bother me …I was furious on behalf of Shivani and still am …I cannot see Armaan in the same frame with Kaveri or Vidya …reason why I don’t even watch clips anymore ..I just read updates for the most part or sometimes skip those too and engage in general chitchat ….

Coming to Abhira, I felt let down by her as a daughter the day she stood by and allowed Kaveri and Sanjay to abuse her parents ..she walked out a day later but the damage had been done …then again, when she did not even question the Goenkas for throwing Akshara out…and she disappointed me as a woman when she allowed Vidya to throw vile fertility taunts at her and again, when she did not call Abhir out for the lowlife that he is …her lack of response to Vidya and muted response to Abhir’s karnaame disappointed me as a woman…

I don’t think I need to curse Armaan more because he is a man or support Abhira more because she’s a woman …I react to situations and do not take blanket stands on behalf of characters …!

All of the above views are mine and mine alone and I am entitled to have them …they are definitely not representative of a majority of this forum’s members and I am sure there is not even one person here who agrees with everything I say in its entirety

So let us not please attach wholesale labels to the forum or its members …even if a majority disagree with us, that is their right ..they probably have a strong reason to ..!

Originally posted by: ShadowImbue

@bold Armaan's wrong can never justify Abhira's wrong but for me Abhira's wrong isn't confined to "What she did with Armaan" "How she treated Armaan", "How can she talk to his abusers" but based on her individual decisions perspective and lack of self-worth, she should've stood up for herself and she failed. But Armaan who promised her the world, promised to be there, promise to never doubt her and give her happiness, being an adult shouldn't be taking "champi" from his own abuser, even if he was then he shouldn't be discussing Abhira who has a track record of her loathed by Vidya mata because of infertility, he shouldn't be doubting Abhira, regarding their child, listening to world's best mother Vidya's concerns.

@blue Abhira said the same thing to KP, she confronted KP for giving childhood trauma to Armaan. Then she blamed herself for not being a good mother. Abhira is criticized for talking to Armaan's childhood abuser KP, regarding Armaan, well ideally Abhira must have a breakdown on hearing "Thanks to Ruhi you can be a mother but can never be a good mother", but she was blaming Armaan's abuser for his actions. After blaming KP, Abhira started with her "I can't be a good mother" drama and after that comes the most embarrassing part, her dancing to a nursery rhyme. I still don't understand what's wrong in Abhira confronting KP for Armaan's childhood trauma, yes her blaming herself and her being in guilt for not being a good mother was pathetic.

@red When was Armaan orphan for Vidya? Vidya mata knew all along that his mother Shivani is alive so how can he be the orphan Vidya raised? Infact Vidya lied to Armaan that his mother is dead and won't return. Vidya intentionally separated him from his mother, "used him" to get closer to Shivani's husband. I can never understand justifications for team Armaan-Vidya against Abhira, even if Vidya was his real mother, who raised him with love without conditions gaslighting or deceit, I would've said the same thing. Abhira was defending Armaan and blaming KP, whereas, Armaan was doubting Abhira listening to Vidya mata, both are different.

And who justified Team Armaan-Vidya …you are pointing to the wrong person here ..I have neither justified Vidya nor Armaan ! The child Armaan has my utmost sympathy for what he went through and that sympathy spills over to an extent to the adult man …nothing more nothing less

Currently I hold Armaan in utter contempt …if I am anyone’s team, I am Team Shivani …just so you know !

Originally posted by: Naysayer

Armaan thought he was an orphan ..meaning motherless ..and the son of her husband’s first wife ..and still she embraced him without judgment …this is what he thought ..nor the truth or what Vidya felt ..

And who justified Team Armaan-Vidya …you are pointing to the wrong person here ..I have neither justified Vidya nor Armaan ! The child Armaan was my utmost sympathy for what he went through and that sympathy spills over to an extent to the adult man …nothing more nothing less

Currently I hold Armaan in utter contempt …if I am anyone’s team, I am Team Shivani …just so you know !

Team Armaan-Vidya wasn't to point out any real person/people, it was for Armaan and Vidya acting like a team, be it during license cancellation or Armaan's promise to Vidya to break ties with Goenkas or now to doubt Abhira as a mother. Regarding justification for team Armaan-Vidya it was for addressing their relationship complex and complicated and him living with her as Rohit died. Armaan is suffocated by her Rohit jaap too, but he will never ask her to shut up enabling the abuse by her again. For me Armaan's dependence on Vidya mata, can't justify him listening to her perspective on motherhood, him doubting his wife and considering her a careless mother when surrogate is carrying their child, despite Vidya mata being the last person to speak a word for any mother.

Originally posted by: Naysayer

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